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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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71v8Pinto

Hi Bill!

I'm sorry to hear about the heart attach and then surgery. I am glad you asked for Tramdol though, I have very bad chronic pain and have to take it every day, and it helps me be able to work so I understand. Unlike some other real opioids it does have to seem a property that allows energy.  +1 to  Wittsend, when I am in a lot of pain it makes everything worse and it takes way much more energy to do the same task. If I have to take anything heavier than Tramadol it makes me tired, it is probably a combination of how much energy the pain itself takes away from you and the effects of heavier pain medication. I wish you the best regarding your pain management.

I might ask a family member or a younger friend to come to the house and drive you in the Pinto to go get breakfast or coffee once a week, maybe there might be a cars and coffee event or the like nearby enough every now and then. The point being, if you pick a regular day of the week to get out in the car it would be good for you and fun, and something to look forward to every week which is good for the mind and outlook.

I wish you well Sir!
Brian aka 71v8Pinto

Wittsend

Often times our energy can feel depleted when we are dealing with pain. So, that lack of energy might be more perceived than actual. Once the pain is abated it feels like we have more energy. I think we all need to do what we  see in our best interest. It often seems a toss up between medication to make us feel better but at the cost of side effect over time.

I'm two years your junior (63) and thankfully I'm on no medications. I've had a heart arrhythmia for 40 years but it is mostly aggravated by stress. For about 20 years I took a low level Beta Blocker (Inderal). When I turned 50 my Cardiologist said I need to have an Echocardiagram every year otherwise he would no long continue to be my doctor saying it was "guidelines." I couldn't afford that so I slowly took myself off the Inderal and haven't had anything for 13 years. While I hated being the scrawny kid growing up (6' / 136 lb's at HS graduation) it has keeps me under 170 lb's in my older age. Still I ache all over when I get up in the morning. But, I will myself to be occupied and frankly that to me is the best medicine, keeping your mind off the unpleasant.

Hopefully things will get better for you. In a three year period I got Frozen Shoulder twice, once in each arm. I thought it would never get better but over the course of a year (not seeing any results until month nine) I was eventually healed. Some healing takes a long time and being older doesn't help. Keep yourself occupied as best you can and try and stay active to the degree you are able. All the best.

dga57

Bill,

Sorry to hear about your cardiac problems but so glad to hear that you are now feeling better.  Welcome back!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Henrius

Bill,

The body is a mysterious organism. We healers think we give the best treatment. Sometimes the results are outstanding; sometimes they are disappointing.

Tramadol helps pain but does not give one energy to fight fatigue. Perhaps something else is afoot. I am flummoxed about what your illness is and why it attacks such a wide variety of organ systems. Tramadol is a synthetic narcotic and has addiction potential. Doubtless you know this. Be careful. Nevertheless, I am glad to hear you are still alive! You and I were born the same year.
1973 Pinto Runabout with upgraded 2.0 liter & 4 speed, and factory sunroof. My first car, now restored, and better than it was when it rolled off the assembly line!

JoeBob

Well I am still here! It has been seven months since my last post on this thread. If I was to predict how long I was going to live, I would have said until May.
    May was a changing point in my life. May 17th I had a heart attack. I had four 95% blockages. I received stents in two. The other two were not reachable.
    My family predicted that the heart repair would change my life. They thought I would get my energy back. It did not happen. I was in the hospital 4 days. I returned home to the miserable life I had before. There was one change, my body hurt all over. Now I had fatigue and pain.
   There are 3 heart patients in my family and they all said, "any day now things will get better. Your heart repair will kick in."
    In late June I asked my doctor for Tramadol, a pain killer. Tramadol has been helpful in the past with pain and chronic fatigue.
    It was life changing. I received a influx of energy. Not a lot of energy, just some. I am back to walking 100 feet at a time. I also feel strong enough to drive. My family said it was my heart healing. It is not. If I stop taking the pills I lapse. The doctors do not have anything to say about my improvement.
    Thank you all for your prayers and well wishes. I have no idea what will happen next. I am more hopeful.
Bill
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Deuteronomy 7:9

JoeBob

I was born in 55, but is my intention to begin it in Oct of  72. That is when I bought my 72 trunk model. Everything else is just Boooring!
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1972 Wagon

I like the idea of including what your car has meant to you. Maybe write a history of it so the next owner/ driver knows the car's background. I want my Pinto to go to someone who will enjoy driving it as much as I do. I think mentioning ways the Pinto group has helped would also be a nice thing to do. Every time I start my Pinto, I think of Pinto_ One who helped me learn how to disconnect the speedo cable and also sent me some indicator sockets to replace the ones that had crumbled. Thank you just didn't seem to cover such kindness.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

Henrius

You know you got to last long enough for you and your wife to show the Bobcat at the Mercury meet you were telling me about in Colorado this year!

















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1973 Pinto Runabout with upgraded 2.0 liter & 4 speed, and factory sunroof. My first car, now restored, and better than it was when it rolled off the assembly line!

Henrius

It would be touching, especially if you tie it in with what your Pinto and Bobcat meant in your life.

And possibly also to point out fellow forum members who have helped you maintain your beloved Bobcat.

As far as being eery, a childhood friend of my father pre-addressed Christmas cards to his friends with this news that he was now deceased, and entrusted them to a close friend, who mailed them at Christmastime the year that he died. Now that was unusual, getting a Christmas card from someone deceased.

The body is a mystery. Every human is different. Some problems we just cannot solve, and will only understand when we meet our Almighty Father.
1973 Pinto Runabout with upgraded 2.0 liter & 4 speed, and factory sunroof. My first car, now restored, and better than it was when it rolled off the assembly line!

Wittsend

Frankly, I like the idea.  If the deceased wrote out what they would like to say to everyone they will have a captive audience. And if what one has to say doesn't go over well..., well your not there to be embarrassed.  To me it is more about the departed saying "good-bye" than it is about people saying what a great guy someone was..., and then that is forgotten as soon as the food comes out.

dga57

I'm sorry that your health seems to be in a rapid decline but I certainly see nothing wrong with your idea of composing your own obituary and posting it here.  I would suggest that you start a new topic for it and clearly define what it is; that way anyone who doesn't want to read it can completely avoid it and those who do can find it easily.  By all means, go for it!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

I'm sure some will not like it, but I say go for it if you feel that it might help you.
Sorry to hear you are feeling worse.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

JoeBob

    I thought I would update you how I am doing. I am not doing well. My chronic fatigue has progressed more rapidly as of late. Walking room to room is an ordeal. A walk of 30 ft. has me gasping for breath.
    This is strange as I have good lung capacity and a good oxygen reading.
    Chronic fatigue effects everyone differently. Seven years ago it started with short periods of weakness and progressed from there. The last 10 weeks it has been a steep decline. Eventually after my vitality is expended, it will start on my organs. Then I will die.
    I appreciate your compassion for me, but please offer no ideas to try. In seven years I have heard them all.
    I had this goofy idea. Not many people have the opportunity that I do. I see my end coming and I can make plans accordingly. I would like to write my own obituary and post it here. Is this in poor taste?
    I would like to write it now and post it when I see the days are getting short. Perhaps the end will sneak up on me, I will ask someone else to post it after I am gone.
    I have no clue how much time I have. It may be a few months, of perhaps I will linger on for years.
    I like this idea. Who knows, I might have a little fun with it as I wait to pass on. 
    Let me know what you think.
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Henrius

Bill,


This was a very touching story! Especially since your story so closely parallels my own. I got my 1973 Runabout in 1976 when I was 21 preparing to enter dental School.  I kept her all these years. She now looks newer than when I bought her used!


I have often thought of what would happen when I could not drive anymore. I will probably sit in the car in the garage, start the engine, and listen to the radio, reminiscing about my youth.


If your wife should ever have to sell Bob after your demise, have her contact me.


Kim
1973 Pinto Runabout with upgraded 2.0 liter & 4 speed, and factory sunroof. My first car, now restored, and better than it was when it rolled off the assembly line!

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on November 14, 2019, 03:23:41 AM
Bill,
part of me wants to say go for it, but then the other part says, if you don't feel safe it isn't worth it. Don't worry about what "other people" might think.
You need to do what you feel comfortable doing.
Russ

I'll second that!!!  Couldn't have put it any better myself!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Bill,
part of me wants to say go for it, but then the other part says, if you don't feel safe it isn't worth it. Don't worry about what "other people" might think.
You need to do what you feel comfortable doing.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

JoeBob


No one truly knows the capability of someone else. Am I still able, I don't know. I do know that I am  20% the man I used to be.
I am 90% sure I can still do it. But if that 10% injures or kills someone, everyone including myself will say, I should have known better.
Thank you all for the encouragement.
















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Deuteronomy 7:9

caravan3921

If your wife still believes you are capable of driving, then that speaks volumes, don't you think? Perhaps take to heart her insight and wisdom and try to take back roads as often as possible. If I lived near you we'd go lots of places together in Bob!

JoeBob



My friend did drive my car. I think it was very uncomfortable for him. He has that big 56 Chevy and a jacked up Jeep. With my chronic fatigue I can't clime up high enough to get in. Being 82 he had a tough time getting down low into my car. I believe he liked the car, especially the handling.  After sitting so high in the air he said he felt like he was dragging his butt. I wanted to drive to Boulder for lunch, but he wasn't comfortable enough to take a longer trip. Someone shouted compliments across the parking lot. So mission accomplished. I got my ego fix.
My wife believes I am still capable of driving. The car has not driven for six weeks, so I drove it around the block to warm it up before my friend arrived. 15 miles per hour so I think I was safe.
I may be ok, but I imagine what people think, seeing me hobble across the parking lot with my walker. If I saw me, I would think, no way that man should be driving!
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Deuteronomy 7:9

Wittsend

Like Dwayne I'm 62 also.  I sometimes wonder if it will be others and not myself that eventually has me stop driving. I can hardly drive down a LA area freeway without feeling I have dodged a number of accidents.  People will blow by me at 80+ MPH and cut across without signaling. They cut so close that it is rather startling. On one 50 mile trip to the airport my wife must have screamed three times.

  Another thing is people wandering in the lanes. I'm assuming it is their %$#! phones. Recently I had a jacked up truck fly by me going at least 80 and his tires were slapping the lane marker dots as it seemed he was less than a foot away from me. Even though I was off to one of my favorite swapmeets I nearly turned around and went home.  I told my wife our car must be magnetic. It is unbelievable how many cars pass me right at the edge of the lane and then as a delayed after thought in their subconscious they center in the lane AFTER they have passed me. Again, I attribute it to phone distraction.

I find the extreme windshield rack on modern cars to exaggerate the perception of cars having the appearance of cutting across lanes when in fact they aren't. Couple that at night with modern headlights casting a wide beam and thus shadows, a car passing can give the same perception of a low flying plane you weren't expecting.

My mother in law, my wife forced her to give up her license at 86. But then she should have never (as in never - ever) been given a license in the first place. Her driving was always abysmal.

I have come to appreciate stop and go traffic on the freeway because it forces people to drive slower and more cautiously.

dga57

So... I'm dying to know; did he drive your Bobcat and if so, what did he think of it?

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

JoeBob


I was right. Can you imagine that at age 82 my friend had never driven a Ford. Last June I offered him a t-shirt from a all Ford car show that featured my car on it. He said being a Chevy man he just could not wear it.

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dga57

Bill,

The undeniable truth is that we ultimately all have to play the hand we're dealt.  I'm 62 and can't begin to imagine not being able to drive, although my wife hasn't driven since 2007; a massive stroke left her so impaired at age 46 that she could not possibly drive a car.  I commend you for acknowledging and accepting your situation so graciously and courageously... it can't be easy. 

I'll bet your buddy, at 82, is thrilled to find an activity where he can be useful in someone else's life.  I hope you'll share many lunches and attend many, many car shows together.  I lost my best friend Charlie (like the brother I never had) a little over five years ago.  He was twenty years my senior but we were like two peas in a pod.  We made numerous road trips together all over the eastern part of the U.S., and as far west as Illinois, picking up cars I had purchased through eBay or other channels.  When we'd get them home, he was right there, helping with whatever they needed, mechanical or body work.  One of our favorite pastimes was spending a day at a local junkyard, picking up whatever treasures tickled our fancy whether we had an actual need for them or not. You would not believe the junk we dragged home!  lol  The car hobby is one that bonds people together in a way other people can't understand.  Despite your circumstances, I hope you'll endeavor to remain as active as you can in the hobby, even though you can't drive. 

And of course, as Scott has already said, you are always welcome here.  You are among friends! 

Dwayne :)

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

JoeBob


     So I took your advice before you gave it. I have a buddy I go to shows with. He has a 56 Belair and we go to 5 or 6 events per year. I asked him to drive us up to Boulder for lunch tomorrow in my car. It is a 20 minute drive from where I live. (Arvada) I hope to take the highway on the way up, and back roads returning. I want to give Bob a workout. I do not know if he has ever driven a Ford.  He is in for a treat. 
     I think it must be strange optics to see an 82 year old man seeing to the needs of someone  much younger.  I am grateful to have him.
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

flash041

Bob, so sad to hear. What you and Scott says rings true to all in the Pinto Community. Like Russ says can your wife drive? How about a friend from your local car club? The head of one of the car clubs I belong to, was unable to drive for a time because of his poor eyesight. A club member drove him and his car to cruise nights so he could still socialize. Just a thought.


Dave 
1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

russosborne

Bill, does your wife still drive? If she does, have her chauffeur you around.
I know it's not the same, but you can still enjoy the Pinto and the attention.

It takes real courage to do what you have done.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Scott Hamilton

Wow Bob- what a post. You are always welcome here with us Pinto geeks, it takes 'special person' to play in our sandbox. :)

Not being able to drive your Bobcat, how are you going to cope? I mean really, eating is optional but pinto driving, it's a requirement for well being and emotional stability.

We are here for you,

:D
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JoeBob


    When my wife's father turned 80 we took his driving privileges. 6 Weeks ago at age 64 I surrendered my own.
    My chronic fatigue has advanced to the point walking is an ordeal. I am not going to miss my freedom as much as I will miss my bobcat.
The body shop did an amazing job in August. I don't believe in it's 42 year life it has ever looked better. It gets lots of attention.
    The car has become my social life. I know you all understand. Strangers talk to me constantly. I feel like a celebrity, but it's not really me, it's the car. I seldom leave the house with out talking to one or up to ten people.
    I don't have many friends, after my health caused me to retire, my social circle has shrunk. I still made temporary friends, everyday when I drove my car.
My truest friend, my most loved friend is my bobcat. I named him Bob of course.
    Those who know me inquire how Bob is doing the same way one would ask about my wife.
    I don't expect to recover. I don't believe I will live much longer. I will continue to come here every day and live the pinto life through you all.
Thank you for the contributions you have all made that improved my and Bob's lives.


Bill Fallert

77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9