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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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pinto_one

Well here are some more old guy tricks to remove carbon from the pistons and head , as you said your car is low milage so there should not be any carbon build up , yet , unless your valve stem seal are going bad , do you see smoke behind the car when you take off from sitting at a red light for a long time , or anytime , if not they are good , but you can remove a plug and look into the cylinder and see the top of the piston to see if ant buildup is there , old cars when the leaded fuel was around had this problem of build up , so this trick I was showen to remove the buildup , remove air cleaner , remove one of the windsheld washer tubes from the firewall and zip tie it just below the choke assy , get a rubber hose from the parts supply house and run to to the tube straght to the washer pump , close hood and drive on the hwy at 70 MPH for 5 mins , then floor it and push the washer button , no the wipers will not come on but the water will inject into the engine , car will slow down , let off the button at 50 MPH , speed up to 70 again for 5 mins . do this about three or four times , drive home and remove plug and see if all carbon is removed , then place every thing back to its place after , this is an old cure from back in the 50s to remove carbon from cars that luged around town most of the time , always fould it would make the pistons look new after ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

71pintoracer

l'm sure anything that will dissolve carbon will work. The vacuum hose method works best because the chemical sits on top of the pistons overnight. Just put it in very slowly so the engine doesn't hydrolock.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

browniecat

well, Yeah the olde water treatment in the carb, etc...

I've actually tried that on the Bobcat back a few months ago. Twice.  Either I need to do a cpl more times or there just wasn't much buildup, 'cause I saw hardly any satisfying smoke to speak of.  The Cat's been removed on this old girl, by the by...

I never heard of the Seafoam method, but how about this one, guys..?   My long-time retired Buick mechanic-friend (he's now about 80) said back in the '60s some guys would often run (I assume not TOO much at one time!!) BRAKE FLUID down the carburetor a de-carboning process.  Can't remember if he said they mixed it with water, but...sort of intrigued to try it...teehee.

Cheers, everyone..

71pintoracer

Did the water treatment many times back in the day....the cold water would hit the carbon and break it up and spit it out of the exhaust. Can't really do that now because of the cat. Ford used to make a product called carb tune-up, maybe still do but anything like that will work. What l do is crank the idle up so the engine doesn't stall, pull a small vacuum hose off and SLOWLY ingest it into the combustion chamber, when the can is empty shut the engine off and let it sit overnight. When you fire it in the morning it's going to smoke like a train!! But the carbon will be gone! Drive it like you stole it for a few miles and the smoke will clear up.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Wittsend

Combustion chamber deposits can also increase pinging (and elevate NOX if smog testing is important).  Years ago I had a Mazda 323 and even with a new CAT I had rather elevated NOX.  Four years later I trickled distilled water through the intake and also used a can of Seafoam.  The NOX was lower than it had been with the new CAT. The water process is tricky and I had to replace the oil immediately but maybe in your case Seafoam might help?

browniecat

yo nnn0wqk...!!

Thanks so much for your input....much appreciate all the responses because it's really givin' me an education about this....

Right there with you on today's crappy fuels!!  In upstate NY we have Steward's non-ethanol 91oct available (alas, not in NYC) which my '66 Buick V6 Special LOVES.  Curiously, I've burned this in the Bobcat, and my recollection is She actually then pinged a little worse, even.  But I have to try it again to verify that.

For the moment, I'm sort of pumped to try Blaine's suggestion on adjustment of the advance dashpot...whenever I can get to it.  I do plan to try a lower temp thermostat, my rationale being that blocking off EGR will have raised head temp, generally.  (or am I wrong on that??)  The goal being, to bring temp down as much as poss...

It's entirely possible that I'll wind up trying a new EGR valve if the prob persists, but I hope I don't have to.  Other than the too-occasional pinging, Bobbie's performance has been maybe 20% livelier with EGR blocked.  So we'll see.

Yes, I'll keep you all posted, gents.  Cheers!!

nnn0wqk

Adjusting the vacuum advance may not be the total answer either. Keep in mind under heavy acceleration that you really do not have that much vacuum so not much vacuum advance. Now under light load conditions than you will see the vacuum advance come into play. I would start checking what your advance curve is. Most gas engines rule of thumb will be around 40 degrees total advance. Fords of the day would some times approach 50 degrees and they could get away with it if EGR was working.  In practice EGR lowers peak compression because you are getting some exhaust back into the cylinder. Takes up space but does nothing for combustion. Under full load conditions you loose EGR flow and vacuum advance or most of it because you also loose vacuum. So what ever power the engine will produce WOT should be equal EGR or not. The issue is usually the ping under light load and sudden acceleration until the vacuum falls off. So you may have to play with the centrifugal advance cutting it back some and giving it actually more vacuum advance to keep the same total advance. Or get the EGR system back into proper working condition. From personal experience on my 2.3 the EGR spacer plate under the carb plugs with carbon about every 75-80k miles. The other thing is regular fuel of the late 70's was closer to 90 91 octane where now at least in my neck of the woods is 87 plus now most places are not selling 100 per cent dino juice. That also plays into the equation on how these engines respond.

Different engines and application but I have 2 1974 International Harvester 1600 trucks with the 345 engine. Both engines are stock and total advance hits about 32 degrees. That was not a real high compression engine in the day. They are EGR equipped with Holley 2 barrel carbs. Yes they run on 87 octane 10 percent regular fuel, however they will pull the hills 1/2 gear faster if I feed them 91 octane non ethanol. That is pulling 26K gross loads. Have no idea if fuel economy goes up or not and at around 5 mpg not sure it makes that much difference. The point is the fuels we have today are not yesterdays fuel so keep that in mind when your engineering your car. My experience is the ethanol does not burn like pure fuel. BTU's come into play. Let us know what you end up doing to make things work for you. Helps others in the future with their issues.

browniecat

Thank-you, Blaine...!  (esp. liked the Ford Stealership part)

Great suggestion....and...ummm...I confess I had NO IDEA that the advance was adjustable that way, but I will definitely give that a shot!  (I guess that's similar to adjusting a vac-modulator valve on a trans...so would totally make sense)  So...you've edumacated me today.

I blocked the EGR off because the valve was defective and not completely closing, I had pronounced hesitation; maybe I should've just replaced the darn thing.  But here we are.

So thanks again...let ya know what happens.  The other question there in orig post: any reason I shouldn't use a 16lb rad cap?

Cheerz

ps...reposting my photo, 'cause it was mislabeled as a '78; it's an '80

71pintoracer

Exactly right. Years ago l bought a 79 F150 with a 300 six. That thing rattled like a can of marbles! l adjusted the EGR flow and fixed it. Why would you want to unhook the EGR anyway?
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

pinto_one

The key word is that you disconected the EGR valve ,  and yes most cars of that time will ping when you do , the reason is the exhaust gas does slow down the burn when the EGR valve is open , but now you have a timing to load problem , you can mask the problem with a few tricks and get rid of the ping , learned this when I worked at a ford stealership back in the 70s when al this emissions crap was being piled on the cars with miles of vacume lines and tees to tie them into a holy mess ,  the first you can try is to remove the line from the distribtor and find a allen wrench (or hex key) that just fits in to vacume advance can , you may have to try a few to find the one that fits , there is a screw inside the adjust the spring inside , from memory I would try one complete turn counter clockwise , mark it just in case youmay have to go the other way , no more than two turns max form your starting point , if that gets rid of the ping great , but if you still have just a trace the next thing you will have to rejet the carb , the bad news is no one supports the carb anymore , so its almost imposable , the only other option is to swap the carb with a 74 to 76 year carb , they ran a tad richer than the one you have now , that also will cover up the ping and give you a few more HP , why , well the newer 78 up carbs had less CFM than the older ones , hope this helps you , I got rid of my ping / fuel problem when I went to EFI , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

browniecat

hey Brotha...

Thanks for replying.  I doubt very much it's off at all, but a few people have suggested I re-check it yet again...so I may get to it soon. The car seems to run generally well, apart from the too-frequent pinging.  Really maddening.

cheers!

TIGGER

I would check to make sure the timing belt is set properly.  I got a Honda civic a few years back from a buddy.  It pinged like crazy under load.  I adjusted the timing as much as I could and it did not help much.  When I fixed the crank seal oil leak I had I figured I would put a new timing belt in it and I noticed that the person before me did not set the marks properly before they installed the timing belt.  It was off a few teeth.  I set it proper and no more pinging and the car ran so much better.  Good luck to you
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

browniecat

Hey PintoPeeps....Happy December from NYC..

Need your counsel..if anybody has an idea.  Have very nice 32K original '80 Bobcat hatchback (2.3l 4 cyl.), and she garners attention WHEREVER we go!!  (It's pretty startling...when we're out on the highway, somebody gives me thumbs up every half hour, easily!)

Bobbielou is plagued with pre-ignition.  Back when it was warm, I blocked off the EGR which improved anemic performance considerably.  But thereafter, despite Premium fuel, car will almost always pre-ignite on hard accel.  I have fooled and fooled with the timing, and I have this problem even with timing set at the spec of 18BTDC..........If I retard further, the poor girl really runs like crap.  I have lately been running cooler plugs to try to overcome this, but no luck.  (General notes: the timing belt is new as of 8K ago, and I've verified my crank/cam index marks are correctly aligned)  More recently, I've started adding a little octane boost WITH 93 octane fuel, which STILL doesn't entirely eliminate the ping (seems like this should be absurdly unnecessary)!

Anybody experience similar after EGR elimination?  My next moves are lower temp. thermostat......  Any ideas, Kids??  Really hate to go back to an EGR set-up...but...

ALSO -- I have an old Buick that had a similar issue, and soon as I went to a higher pressure rad cap, problem went away, never to return.  Think I can safely use a 16lb. cap on Bobcat (13 is the stock)?

Thanks in advance for any input, guys....have a great week..

David H.