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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1976 wagon instrument cluster bulbs.

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PonyRider62

Sorry, A Little Late,
I Have A 73 Wagon ....Way Different But Still A PITA!
I Did Replace All My Bulbs With LED Ones.
Used Nice Blue Ones For Illumination..................Love It!
Save The Ponies!

LongTimeFordMan

Pix of rewiring cluster.. with details of voltage regulator and new cable connectors replacing original.. and potentiometed (blue cylinder) mounted thry cluster to allow regulator calibration
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

LongTimeFordMan

My flexible circuit board was trash si after several attempts to repair it I finally just resorted to removing the circuit board and rewiring the cluster module.  I posted some info in one of my posts about it..  i also replaced the main connector with a  couple of multipin connectors from

Allelectronics.com in los angeles.. i ultimately used a 9 pin for the gauges, a 2 pin for the alternator light.. I also used led lights form amazon.



and made a separate harness for the illuminator lamps, also lined the interrior of the white area with aluminum foil to provide better light diffusion..

Make the pigtail on the wires to the gauges long enough so that you can remove the cluster withu the wired connected than disconnect the wires.

I found that you dont need the bottom retainers on the cluster module, only the top 2 screws.. the top screws are screwed intk tinnerman nuts.. the flat metal tabs with holes in them. Thats prolly that broke or stripped in your situation.

I found that i can disconnect the wires and speedo by kneeling outside the dr8ver side of the car, door open and reaching with left hand/arm up under the dash.  Then tip the cluster out from the top, rotate it a bit and finess it up and out. It wont come out sideways..

Anyway now i have bright white instrument lights.

I also replaced the instrument voltage regulator with an electronic one i made with an adjustable voltage regulator so i can calibrate my fuel gauge accurately.

I lllook up links to then posts and pix and post them here. I alsk found a wiring diagram for  72 fords that includes pintos.

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=27669.msg173376#msg173376

Link to wiring diagram

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.gt40s.com/images/torino/72ford.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwix69Cot4zTAhVsyoMKHWqfBtYQFgghMAI&usg=AFQjCNFbJ-K_deDtVQH2SpYXeeOrSMN6WA&sig2=yAdu-LjCiwEqAKaj_gpBkw



Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Wittsend

My son is into 3D Printing (and a student in Industial Design).  I previously asked him if he would be interested in printing these housings and he said, "No."  I'll ask again (but don't hold your breath). Seems there is a market for them and it would be great if someone would step up to the plate in the 3D printing field.

  My son and his friend do a live 3D printing show almost every week on You Tube. When he does it from our house (holidays) I typically get a guest appearance. If that happens I'll put out a call to the 3D community to see if anyone is interestesd.


FWIW my '73 wagon had a white cluster housing that was in really good shape. Fortunate me.., or just a good year?  Given the rust on the roof I get the impression that my car spent a lot of time under a pine tree and in a foggy bay area climate that might have eliminated heat and indirect UV damage (if there is such a thing). Here is a picture when I modified (I'm sure purist woud say "butchered") my housing to adapt the Turbo Coupe Tach and Boost Gage. As can be seen the condition is very good. BTW the black line over the tach isn't a crack, it was an indicator for centering it.

JoeBob


     76 is the worst year. Mine was dust. Many others years seemed just fine. I looked t a lot of years in the junk yard looking for the nonexistent 76.  I bought my car with just 55,000 miles. The cluster was collapsed. The owner did not know what to do. He stopped driving it.
    You will find that different years have different color cellophane printed circuits. 76 was pink. I think 72 was green. I bought the 72 thinking all were same. Each year also has different number of prongs on the plug connector. My parts yard has 20 or so pintos. Every 76 was crushed to pieces. I found that 77 had had same circuit board color, pink,  and identical plug. All 77's had good solid white backplates. 78 might be same as well. I know for sure 79 and 80 have different cluster.

     The former owner destroyed printed circuit on my car in a fail attempt to fix back plate.
I carefully removed pink circuit board from a junk yard 76 and attached it to the white 77 backer. All seemed well but, I lost my health. I sold the project to someone else. Did not install it.
     If this information is important to you I will call him to find out if all is well.
     If you can't find the 77 part, as I said the wrecking yard here has many pintos. I would be glad to get it for you if they have it, but like I said I am too sick to work. The wrecking yard is called Speedway. The number is 720-938-4055
The only worker there is Greg. It is located in Decono CO. 30 miles north of Denver. Greg once told me he shipped parts. If you have other questions send me a PM with your phone number and I will call you.
I would not even try to save 76 back plate. You will not last 5 minutes. You might also get a wiring diagram and try to convert to other years. I don't know how they differ. They all look the same to me.
If this turns out to save your project. It will do my heart good. Let me know if I helped
     I have a few original light bulbs. Don't know if they are any good, but you can have them if you have need. One more thing, I believe the wagon panel differs from the sedan, but not sure. I gave the 72 panel to the new owner. It was from a wagon. He doesn't need it. If you want to try conversion, I will try to get it for you. I do not believe I have the plug. So it is not likely to help, but if you have pink circuit you may be able to alter white plastic to accept plug. Then you may not have bulb fittings for lights in correct places
Good luck
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

russosborne

Oh, be very careful handling it. They are not available anywhere unless you get really lucky and find someone selling one. But it seems almost all are brittle at this point. Ford used some really bad plastic for all the clusters in the 70's . My 72 Ranchero is just as bad, so I will be making something to replace it, changing to all aftermarket gauges on that car.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Nudemaple

Hey Russ. Thanks for the quick reply. Gus

russosborne

Short answer, the white backing IS the cluster. Everything attaches to it.
Yes. Replace all the bulbs while you have it apart. LED or not is personal preference. But don't use the cheap ones.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Nudemaple

Found a lot of info already on how to replace bulbs on instrument panel. I have the general idea and started to do it. Only 2 or 3 bulbs are not working in the middle of the cluster for general illumination, all the important ones such as battery, alternator, brake and turn signal bulbs are working. I don't drive the Pinto at night very much but would like to have the entire cluster illuminated. I can live with it the way it is. A few more questions however if anyone can help before I launch into this job.....

1-When I began unscrewing the left screw at the top of the plastic I heard a crack and then it kept spinning so I assume I cracked the screw. Both halves of the cracked screw remain in place. The other screw came out fine. How difficult will it be to pull down the cluster with that broken screw still in the hole?

2-I read about changing ALL the bulbs at the same time. Should I stick to the regular 194 or go for the LED version? Assuming I can get that far.

3-Many have reported about the "white backing crumbling" but no one has posted a photo so I can't tell how integral this backing is to the function of the cluster. Is it simply a thin layer to protect the soldered circuit board? If my backing also falls apart, does this backing need to be replaced?

4-I've seen a few photos of the cluster but they are mediocre quality and shot at bad angles so I can't tell if there is a female receptacle on the cluster for a male wiring harness? I'm assuming the answer is yes.

Any other thoughts would be helpful. I'll wait a few days for some responses before attempting to do this. Thank you everyone.