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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

engine number location dont know year of engine

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vinnytruck

65shelby, I will keep you posted, looking tomorrow. Man this .... is keeping me hopping. I thought I would have this car done for memorial day parade. last week my M37 military truck entered in the parade in my town. Had a blast. VT

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: vinnytruck on May 24, 2018, 06:40:43 PM
65shelby, THANKS A HELL OF A LOT! I am reg. in NJ and they are giving me a hell of a time. given a packet of 18 pages and must have all #s.
Okay, that's what I suspected.
There should be a partial VIN from the donor car stamped into the block between the oil pan rail and rearmost freeze plug by the starter. It will be on a machined flat pad by itself with some kind of smallish pipe plug on the right (forward) end of the pad.


'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

vinnytruck

65shelby, THANKS A HELL OF A LOT! I am reg. in NJ and they are giving me a hell of a time. given a packet of 18 pages and must have all #s. but when ordering parts I need info also. I am keeping engine and trans. ***wittsend so you are saying its agreed I have a 2.3 many thanks. VT

Wittsend

I'm sayinga 2.3 based on your other picture post and the fact that the distributor on the 2.0 is very close to the timing belt cover - and on your engine it is not.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: vinnytruck on May 24, 2018, 09:41:26 AM
stamped on manifold: 07EE ........
That leading zero is a capital "D." D7EE = 1977.

Do you need to know the year or VIN of the engine for registration purposes or just for getting parts?
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

vinnytruck

Thanks Guys for all your help: here is more info,    right under 1st plug  *6J14*  stamped on manifold: 07EE 0376 or 78 AB   DOES THIS HELP? thanks in advance VT

pinto_one

Looking at the engine parts it can be 75 to 80 pinto , only if the oil pan has the front sump pick up , if its in the rear it could be 79 up mustang , last you could see if the tag is still on the carb , remove air cleaner and look for a tag , if the part number starts with a "D" its 70s, the number after is the year , like D7 its a 1977 or D9 its a 79 ,  just to give you an idea , but all engine parts from 74 to 90s ,pinto , ranger , mustang , and fairmont  fit , and ford industiel engines , LRG423 ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

65ShelbyClone

The engine is a 2.3, which limits it to 1974-1980 models years. The trans looks like an automatic of some kind, probably a C3, but there's a small chance it could be a C4.

If the lower alternator bracket is cast aluminum and assuming it's original, then that would suggest a '79-80. A cast iron bracket would suggest '74-78.

I can't see the casting number on the exhaust manifold, but that would further narrow it down to a two or three year window.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

vinnytruck

RODY, is it stamped on the exhaust manifold or under it?

vinnytruck

here is some of the engine

vinnytruck

attached are some pictures of the engine and transmission.  I need to know engine and transmission tag location
please help with identifying both.  Thanks VT

rowdyrunabout

the engine number on 2.3s (don't know about others) is stamped at the top of the block just under the number 1 plug just behind the water pump.

vinnytruck

THANK YOU "LONGTIME" I am on it, I will let you know...VT

LongTimeFordMan

Some basic data...

The 1.6 is a pushrod engine with a more or less conventional looking rocker arm cover and no cam pulley or belt at the front. This is called the "kent" 3ngine and used from 71 to 72. Distributor on passenger side. This engine is used in formula ford race cars as well.Doubtful if this was used in kit car.

The 2.0 was used from 71 to 73 and is a belt driven overhead cam engine so it has a it has a pulley mounted at the front of the cam cover and the engine mounts are located midway front to back behind the oil filter. The exhaust ports on the head are square. The timing marks on the 2.0 are on the passenger side at the front pointer is part of aluminum front casting. Cam cover is rounded on top with front to back ribs, attached with 10 bolts, 4 on each side and 2 extra at front on vertical sides of front cam support. Distributor on driver side.

The 2.3 was used from 74 till 80. It is also an overhead cam with cam pulley at the front. It has engine mounts at the front with oil filter behind it. Exhaust ports are round. Timing marks on 2.3 are on driver side and pointer is mounted on cam belt cover. Cam cover is squarish with flat top and attached with only 8 mounting bolts none on the vertical cam support at the front. Distributor on driver side.

The v6 is obviously a v motor.

Most kit cars used either the 2.0 or 2.3.

No parts from 2.0 will fit a 2.3.

Most 2.0 parts are interchangeable with7 another 2.0 regardless of year either pinto and capri.

Most 2.3 parts are interchangeable with another 2.3 regardless of year.

Do a googoe search for images of "pinto engine" and compare the photos.
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

dga57

Take some pictures of the engine and post them - might be able to identify it that way.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

vinnytruck

Thanks wittsend, This is a kit car, no doors,no chasis, dash, Vin, just kit body square tube frame jag SS100 assigned FL new vin)(put together by antiques and collectables in buffalo NY) pinto engine & trans. I will try to take some pictures tomorrow. So far I know its a 4 cyl. also need trans. ID # also. Please keep in touch, your all I GOT!  Thanks VT

Wittsend

The Pinto came with four different engines. The 1.6 British built engine, the 2.0 German built engine, the 2.3 "Lima" USA built engine and the 2.8 V-6 German built engine. So, it would be important to know which engine you have.

That said, this site has pretty light traffic so an answer might be a long wait - if you get an answer at all.  The 1.6 engine was also used in the Cortina and the 2.0 and 2.8 were used in the Capri. The 2.3 was used in the Mustang and Ranger. So, if you don't get an answer here, you might try sites relating to those cars.

I looked around the '88 2.3/Turbo/EFI engine in my Pinto but sorry to say didn't readily see any cast or stamped ID numbers.

BTW, the engine number most likely won't tell much other than the year - if even that.  If we knew what year the car was and better yet a picture of the engine (and car) then we can easily narrow the engines down to one of the four. If we saw an external picture of the car we can probably narrow that down to a select area of the model year.

Most cars have a VIN on the dash, drivers side, down where it meets the windshield, and/or a plastic VIN on the drivers door jamb.  This decoder will tell you most of what you need to know if you have those numbers.

http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/VIN%20decoder.htm  The VIN decoder link on this site does not work (comes up 404), so use the one I have posted.

vinnytruck

Thanks for your speedy reply. I dont know anything about the engine, I need it so I can order parts and reg. the car. I understand the motor # will tell year, model,type, etc. (I just cant find the # location then try to look up what the #s mean) please help I need this for this week. Thanks in advance  VT

65ShelbyClone

Do you need to know the year of the engine or the year of the car?
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

vinnytruck

can anyone help, need to find engine number location so I can know the year of pinto etc.