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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

Quote from: shuffln on May 31, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
for the few that have just wondering what motor mounts you used on your LS swap into a pinto.
Try http://www.powerbyace.com
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pinto_one

You are so right on that , built over a half a dozen V8 pintos over the early years , first one was a 71 with a 289 , yep the engine was heavy , cast iron intake , cast iron exhaust manifolds , very heavy top loader, and when you had your foot into it the handling was like a bottle rocket, everywhere but straight, you are very correct on this Dick , found later the heavier wagons were much better , but still to much understear in the corners , found the turbo 2.3s were the best combo , my V6 is just fare , your car just have to pick your poison, dragcar or road car ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dick1172762

One thing nobody on here has talked about is no matter which V8 you install in your Pinto, all that extra weight is going to be dead center over the front axle. Good way to end up in a ditch. Friend of mine had such a V8 Pinto. After he built it, it was so hard to drive fast that he removed the posie to gain control over it. Ever truly FAST (10.0 to 8.30) one I ever saw at the drags had the engine moved back and or hundreds pounds of lead in the trunk.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pinto_one

The Lark I use to have had the 259 , good engine and got very good gas mileage for what it was , most had the overdrive , the last one I drove had a automatic , friends truck when i helped him move , that was back in 71 , long long time ago  ;D
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dholvrsn

'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

pinto_one

Nice Champ , got the six or 8 ,  259 or 289 , ? ,   Hey Reeves I got the whole drivetrain out of a 93 ranger , 4.0 , the 2011 has almost the same block but the heads are taller , the bolt pads for the 2.8 mounts are not there  , the early 4.0 they bolt up to the block , think around 98 they changed , but now even the 2011 4.0 is not made anymore 😫, still I have the everything I need (except time) to install it , but that extra 150 HP and great MPG sure looks good , 😁
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dga57

Cool truck!!!  I've never owned a Studebaker but I've driven a few over the years.  I always liked them.  Maybe someday...

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dholvrsn

I have a '63 Champ....
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Reeves1

I "vote" you get the drive line out of a 2011 Ford Ranger for it  ;D

pinto_one

Know what you are talking about , sometimes the original part are nowhere to be found , or a cheep quest for power , as for studebakers I have had a few years ago , Larks , a avanti , and. R-2 Hawk , parts were scarce then worse now unless someone is reproduceing them , they were ahead of their time , and now sometimes you have no choice but an engine swap , and some pick the wrong engine for the swap , Too big , and too much cutting to make it fit, my 79 Cruze Wagon project still sits engine less right now (removed to put in my76 after it was run hot) and still have not made up my mind what to put in it , a few options at first was to find another 2.8 to overhaul and install , but parts are kind of easy to find , next was the 2.9 , yep it's a bolt in and more power but it was last made in the early 90s , next was a Diesel engine out of a 240D Mercedes, yep I should get 40 mpg and last forever but 0 to sixty in the next three days , last one is the 4.0 out of a ranger , good power , bolt in , but not made anymore since the late 90s ,(got one)  still have not made up my mind yet , but still like to have a 61 champ 😎
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Wittsend

Quote from: dga57 on May 31, 2017, 11:59:31 PM
No need for nastiness, folks! :(  This site works best when we all respect one another and try to get along.  Okay?

Dwayne

  Often these disputes seem to come down to brand loyalty and a preference for stock or near stock retainment.  So, a die hard Ford guy will always expect a Ford engine under the hood of a Ford. And a die hard Pinto guy will cringe at the major alteration of a Pinto.

  I'll never forget when I modified my '73 radiator cradle to fit the later 20" radiator.  I specifically went to great pains to retain all the stock aspects including using only the existing metal and overlap welding the piece to strengthen the area.  If you didn't know any better you would have thought Ford made it that way. So, of all the people I thought would appreciate my effort it would have been Pintony. Instead he was rather upset that I had (slightly) altered one of his beloved early Pinto's.

  I think we need to remember that someone else's car is THEIR car.  On the other hand I think we should have understanding that without the die hard Ford/Pinto guys that will be just one less true Pinto in the world. I realize it can be tough at times. I own a Studebaker and they actually sourced Chevrolet engines their last two years ('65-'66) having shut down their own engine manufacturing. Yet there are a lot of die hard Studebaker owners that cringe at the thought of a 350 Chevy engine.  I live on both sides of this fence. I DO have a real preference for engines of the same manufacture. On the other hand the cost and power aspects (for the money) made it a no brainer when I put a Corvette 350 in my '64 Studebaker. Pardon me now while I go have an argument with myself.   ;D

Reeves1

5K + 40% exchange rate = 7k CDN.......  :'(

One in Calgary right now for 3500 CDN.......

Like you, I would like to test fit one first. May see (one day) if the junk yard here has a blown one.....

pinto_one

They wanted around $1,900 for the engine and Transmission , checked flea bay and about the same up to $5,000 , know the price will come down because all the F150 have this engine now, now thinking of using it in my Cruze wagon , engine is out but if I can find a core to test fit I will know for sure , watch a few you tube videos of the torture test of the engine so should last me a hundred years or more 😁


76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Reeves1


pinto_one

While the LS engine has been out for a few years and some parts are cheep , yes the stock output is 345 hp and a few mods 400 hp , just noticed a new one that might become a future candidate for the pinto , small and all aluminum light weight and the numbers of them are rising, stock it is 365 ot 375 depending on year , chip upgrades over 400 hp , the eng is a 3.5 ecoboost in a Ford truck , went to a wrecking yard and saw one on the floor , it's small and short and found it's is used in the new Ford gt , 650hp, for now I may plan on useing it in my cruse Wagon , if I ever make up my mind :o have a great weekend , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Pintocrazed85

Following this build. Thinking about doing this to my 76 mustang ii

dick1172762

No twist as it has a full pro stock cage front to back. Hi $$ car and fast but what a waste of a really nice Pinto. Would really like to know where the front spoiler came from since the stock rally spoilers are like hen's teeth.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1

From what I've read, the LS was based on SBF.....

oldkayaker.... that car looks like no frame supports or rad support. It will be one twisty SOB ! I'd be checking the cross member welds each run/drive !

Myself, I've never looked much at cost. Done right takes $

Guy in Calgary with a 71 is running mid 9s with a 2.3 ......

shuffln

i will do a build thread. i have a few buddies that have a couple of v8 pintos and i can tell you when at a show or the strip they gain everyone's respect. The little car that blew up and no one wanted is looked at differently when you lift the hood and there is a power machine under there.My son in law loves his 5.0 79 and the looks he gets and always the same question WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?  HOW DID YOU GET A V8 IN THERE? his looks stock other then 275 tires out back, traction bars and fox body scoop,  79 rallye and can be put back to original.  again i'll do a write up so those who are interested will have some guidelines. lets be honest a stock LS puts out 345 hp compare to a 5.0 225hp. a cam change and little bolt ons and your well over 400hp. it cost a few grand to get a 5.0 to turn 400hp. i know I have a 86 fox with a 306SBF. ive done a few foxes, pintos, mustang II's . And there will always be the debate why chevy in a ford or was the LS originally a ford ?   build your dreams , build it right, build it for you.

oldkayaker

The LS engine with a couple turbos can fit with some effort, see photo below.  The thread http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301820 had some photos but there was no info on the motor mounts.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgMn3nC3mqc
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

pinto_one

So true on keeping them alive and being done right , as for the LS engine I have no idea if it will fit or not , guess your going to have lower one into the engine bay and look and see, done the V8 pinto stuff in the early 70s,  now I'm just looking for MPG and long life , (me and the car ) good luck , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

shuffln

First and foremost the car isnt original. Its a strip/street car already. With a 6 point cage and complete frame connectors. We just did a complete.5.0 swap with t5 in my son in laws 79. I dont want the same. Where im from stock pintos are cheap.  So power for power dollar for dollar ls 6.0 is cheaper then a 5.0. I know i just did one. My 80000 km ls and th350 with 3200 stall was cheaper then the 5.0 drivetrain i had. Ill be honest im very open minded to all cars. Ive seen hacks and ive seen nice customs from mopar, ford, chevy, and imports. Ive seen slammed and ive seen 4x4 . So who cares as long as they are done right and keep them alive.

pinto_one

Guess the reason is that now the supply of pintos is not what it use to be, yes you can stuff any engine you like in any car , some are a bolt in and others which I have seen cut the car up so badly that it's useless and the car is scraped and a waste of a good pinto, back in the 70s I put a Ford 302 into a corvette that I brought from a bank that was repoed with a fried engine (no 350s cheep at that time) yep I got a ton of grief over that but it was my car , ran well . I do not know of anyone on this site that has done the LS swap , if you end up doing it make sure it's a bolt in , (please don't cut the car up unless it's a rust bucket) , in case you want to restore it back to stock condition, there are parts still out there that can make the old 2.3 in the car run better and quicker than a LS swap , unless it's going to be a drag car only , my only two cents to give is don't cut the car up , they are not making them anymore , later Blaine ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

shuffln

Serious you tell me no need for that. I was polite. Unlike the first reply being total disrespectful on my choice of engine. I asked a simple question from those that have done it. Im not new to the car game. And have always been respectful. If u dont like what some one post move on and dont respond. But please be an butt expect it back. Way to many keyboard heros that need to belittle every post they can . If my post was disrespectful then the mod can delete me.

dga57

No need for nastiness, folks! :(  This site works best when we all respect one another and try to get along.  Okay?

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

enzo

shuffln,

You want to talk like that!?, GO some where else.  We don't want or need that here!
Show some respect for other opinions.
enzo

robertwwithee

Please respect everyone's decisions on car and powerplant.  I can't tell you how many people tell me to stuff a v8 in mine.  It's ur car, do what you want. 

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shuffln

Thanks for your input. Your name is very fitting.

dick1172762

Why do you need motor mounts with such a small engine bay? Just drop it in and chain it down. Its a chebby isn't it? It'll feel right at home if you put Vega on the doors. Why screw up a car that gains value each and ever day. If you want a chebby, put it in a chebby.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

shuffln

for the few that have just wondering what motor mounts you used on your LS swap into a pinto.