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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

I bet 3 and 4 plug wires are crossed.
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amc49

Believe me bucko when I say the stock OEM FI setup would be LIGHTYEARS ahead of one of those setups you marked there. They are NOT self tuning, you have to do that, the stock setup however pretty much has that already done.  Your thinking is absolutely backwards.

Header can glow a wee bit if running really good and you just came back from standing on it, but for 3-4 inches and solid, no, an issue there. Check the header gasket, leaks there can ingest air to afterburn in pipe to do that, especially if motor a bit rich. Make sure exhaust valve has clearance, if leaking can do that. I've seen part fouled plugs do it when the burn slows way down from improper ignition. So, rich can seem lean sometimes. Pull plugs to see if black. Usually a lean condition does it.



waldo786

I think I've decided to use a lower fuel injected intake with the adapter and a 2bbl carb, most likely the holley 350 although I may use an autlolite 2100 on it as Art suggested.   I saw on this site also that a 2150 would also fit, which may be another way to go.  What specific years and cars do these fuel injected intakes need to come from?  I've seen some that have the 4 holes and some that have other configurations .  I am also wondering if it is necessary to port this intake as Dick mentioned, or for a street car, can I just bolt on the adapter and go?  AMC, what I meant by my comment on fuel injection is that there are not options like the stand alone FAST systems that have the self tuning computers, etc, that are made for our size engines.  I am fully aware that these 2.3's have had EFI for many years, but I prefer not to have to piece together parts from a stock system and figure out how and what will work or need to be hooked up.  If there was someone who could teach me, I'd  really like to learn more about it so I can understand it. 

dick1172762

I don't think its mixture because too lean and those cylinders just wouldn't fire very much (less heat). Sounds like the timing is retarded big time but all cylinders would be glowing not just two.  First thing I would do is to look inside the carb for trash and plug'd  up carb jets. Its got to be something really obvious  to make those cylinders glow at idle. Check the plug wires for two crossed. LOL
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65ShelbyClone

You could put a 600 on that engine an it wouldn't make the header glow. That is either a mixture or timing problem.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

rowdyrunabout

getting ready to update my post and saw this. Had to read thru it, because I am researching the same/ similar thing. I have the offy dp on my pinto. Put a brand new holley 390cfm on it. Choke wasn't working right, and I couldn't get it to idle below 1000. But it seemed to handle the gas flow---I said seemed. I'll get to that in a minute. opening the throttle was smooth fast and the 4s kicked in. Sounded great- exciting to hear some power. Now back to seemed.
Car was at 140 degrees. Thought maybe the choke was not fully open, but thought I'd check the timimng. I'm hooking up the light and I see something I've never seen. Number 3 and 4 header pipes are glowing like pumpkins. I mean like Orange. I think that means my pinto cannot handle that much carb?

65ShelbyClone

'83 if you count the turbo model.  ;)

Quote from: waldo786 on November 22, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
I guess this all happens because it's always been my goal to have a fuel injected classic car that is reliable enough I could, and may end up, using as a daily driver.  I remember the terrible cold starts I had starting my grandfather's car when I drove it in high school even living in VA.  Fuel injection is so much better.  Unfortunately for us 4 cylinder folks there doesn't seem to be much in the way of that, so I figured I'd have to use a carb, and didn't want to over do it and still have it run bad after all the other work.  Just my thing, I see all the popular 8 cylinder cars getting fuel injection and it seems really nice to have that option.  Yes, it's expensive, but if I make this a daily driver, I'd like the drivability of fuel injection.  Just my thing, others here may like carbs better, but that's up to each his own.

Which one do you really want? EFI doesn't have to break the bank and carburetion doesn't have to have bad manners.

I can tell you this though: you're not likely to get an OEM-level tune on your own without dyno time.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

amc49

Where have you been? The 2.3 has had EFI since '86..........................

waldo786

I guess this all happens because it's always been my goal to have a fuel injected classic car that is reliable enough I could, and may end up, using as a daily driver.  I remember the terrible cold starts I had starting my grandfather's car when I drove it in high school even living in VA.  Fuel injection is so much better.  Unfortunately for us 4 cylinder folks there doesn't seem to be much in the way of that, so I figured I'd have to use a carb, and didn't want to over do it and still have it run bad after all the other work.  Just my thing, I see all the popular 8 cylinder cars getting fuel injection and it seems really nice to have that option.  Yes, it's expensive, but if I make this a daily driver, I'd like the drivability of fuel injection.  Just my thing, others here may like carbs better, but that's up to each his own.

Wittsend

OR..., get some 1" thick, 3" X 3" aluminum plate.  Bore a 1-1/2" hole in the center.  Whack the manifolds off shortly after the "Y" on each side. Then weld the plates to the "Y" pieces. With a die grinder blend the weld parts. Get two SU carburetors and let the fun begin!  ;)

True, strange story.  When I was 18 all my friends had Datsun 510's with SU carburetors from the parts competition catalog.  I was too poor for that.  I took a stock Datsun manifold (much like the Pinto) and ground out the two holes into one larger oval.  I then too two pieces of 3", 90 degree angle sheet metal. I overlapped the two pieces like forming a box, but dropped one end down basically forming a "V." Then I made a plate for the end with a hole in it. I had a friend weld it together and I bolted it to the manifold. I then mounted a single SU carburetor to the "thing" I had made.  Most were surprised that it didn't work half bad.

Excuse the drawing. I'm much better at making stuff than illustrating it.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: waldo786 on November 22, 2014, 11:31:47 AM
While I was looking around at the weber carbs, I did find this type of fuel injection.  It is quite a bit more money, but not sure if this is the kind you are mentioning in your post: http://www.racetep.com/weber/weberfi.html

That Weber EFI is outrageously overpriced for what you get. I see a narrowband oxygen sensor which is useless for power tuning. Add $200 for a basic wideband setup and now you're looking at $2200. I think it would be possible to get into something more widely used and well-known/supported like an Accel DFI or FAST XFI system for less. MegaSquirt systems can be super affordable, but are a lot more DIY and may have a steeper learning curve.

Quit sweating the Weber/Holley intakes and get a four-pack of side draft carbs off a liter bike.  8)
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

amc49

There is nothing wrong with the Offy/390 setup. How you get yourself into these 'research' quandaries is beyond me. The more you research the more you confuse yourself like here. The Offy was intended for stock engines and the 390 will not be too much carb as all you can open is the front two barrels, if too much carb the backs will simply not open.


dick1172762

$$$ Never seen it before$$$ Its only money.$$$
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waldo786

Thanks again for the replies, that does help.  While I was looking around at the weber carbs, I did find this type of fuel injection.  It is quite a bit more money, but not sure if this is the kind you are mentioning in your post: http://www.racetep.com/weber/weberfi.html

74 PintoWagon

The smallest Autolite is a .98 venturi that came on the little 221 V8's, those are hard to find.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dick1172762

Esslinger intake is a joke. Same as stock in that you have two short runners and two long runners plus its not heated with the engine fluid like stock. Cheapest set up is stock. Next cheapest is a stock intake with a 38/38 weber. With that set up you will need to bore out the carb adapter as it has one big hole and one small hole. The 38/38 weber requires two large holes in the adapter. EFI is the most $$$ and the most work as it must be ported under the carb and also requires an adapter ($90+) to make it work. The EFI will not work with a 32/36 or 38/38 with out a home made adapter. Which one is best for the bucks?  I think a stock intake with an ACE adapter( moves the carb over to better feed the ports) and a Motorcraft / Autolite carb. Those carbs come in various sizes with some as small as the stock 32/36. Junk yard is full of them on 70's Ford pick-ups. Great little carbs. Its NEVER going to run like a v-8 unless you put a turbo on it. Ranger roller cam and stock intake with a 38/38 carb will run just fine. Hope this helps.
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: waldo786 on November 22, 2014, 10:06:57 AM
  74PintoWagon, what years of the lower efi manifold work to bolt on?  Is that what you mean by find the right size?   
This is the one to use, mine is a late 80's, I was refering to carb size not intake, since I'm looking at bottom end I want the smallest size carb.
Art
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waldo786

Excellent, wonderful information here.  A few more questions if I may.  First, and before I forget, I just want a really nice cruiser car that has some juice at lower RPMs.  Dick, looking at your info there, you are a racer.  My biggest question would be that - would the stock manifold flow adequate for the set up I have and plan on using for giving it just a bump in power with a bigger carb?  I'm sure you have much more knowledge than I on these engines having raced them.  Slowride, that's a very good point I didn't even think of.  I did look at the 38/38, but I'm afraid it would be too large also.  Anyone ever use one of those Esslinger intakes or heard anything about them good or bad?  74PintoWagon, what years of the lower efi manifold work to bolt on?  Is that what you mean by find the right size?   Sorry for all the questions, but ideally I'd like to do this once, and get this thing out driving.

slowride

The progressive Weber on the stock intake is always going to flow unevenly port to port. That's the reason I started working on a 38/38 on the stock intake to even the flow to all cylinders. Crappy pic, but you can see what I came up with in the classifieds section.

dick1172762

The stock Pinto intake manifold will out flow the stock carb so what will you gain on a non race car Pinto? If it aint broke, why fix it?
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

65ShelbyClone

A D-port intake works fine on an oval-port head; it's the reverse that you want to avoid.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

I'll be putting an lower EFI intake with an Autolite 2100 on mine if I can ever find the size I want...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

waldo786

Hello all, I apologize if this has been gone over before, but I have done some research but I still have some questions about a carb and intake setup for my car.  I've just had the head rebuilt with stainless swirl polish stock valves, a ranger roller cam, and had the head shaved down to be somewhere between 9 and 9.5:1 compression.  I have a ranger "header" that will also go on the car and I'm thinking of putting in a 2" exhaust.  I'm having trouble deciding what intake and carb setup to use.  I have an offenhauser dual port intake with a holley 390 carb.  I'm wondering if that will just be too much carb for this engine?  Another option (I believe  an adapter will fit) to use an adapter for a two barrel carb on that manifold although I don't know how that would work being dual port.  The 2 bbl. I would use would be a weber 32.36 DGEV (I would like an electric choke).  It seems I can use the stock intake with that carb also, but I don't know how well that would be for performance.  Another option I've heard of is people using the efi lower intake manifold with an adapter that is available and sold in several places for a 2 bbl carb, although I'm not 100% sure it would fit the weber carb I want.  Yet another option would be an esslinger 2.3 cast iron intake (or possibly one of their aluminum ones - are they for racing?).  It has D ports like the fuel injected intake, so I don't know how well that would work, and again I don't know if the weber carb would fit.  Any one have any experiences or suggestions with these?