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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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amc49

Back then the 'hot' trick set up was a V-8 Pinto or Vega, most never realized that a 2 seat AMX was that with a really big motor and already scienced out as to handling and reliability. The AMX had virtually same wheelbase and was an extremely light car.

We regarded the later Javelin/AMX as a boat anchor though.............

entropy

I *love* AMXs.  In fact, my two seat, V8 Runabout (which I've taken to calling a "Hoonabout") is what it is because I couldn't afford an AMX  ;-)
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

amc49

FYI, we also had 2 SC/Scramblers at one time, you know, a Rambler American with the 390 4 speed in them and the wild red/white/blue color scheme and funny scooped hood. One was pretty dogged out, we painted it black, replaced the hood with a normal one and street raced that one for a while. That was pretty funny, the car literally could not be driven without squealing the tires. We learned to take off in 2nd gear. Car had a .606 lift dirt track short duration cam and one of the fastest racking up to rpm engines ever heard; everybody commented on it. Like 450 ft.lbs. of torque at 2000 rpm, it was a torque monster.

amc49

Yes it was indeed, the unibody was popping apart in various places like the outriggers below the doors. AMC was not well known for the strength of their bodies per se. I had troubles with the unibody coming apart at the wheel wells on the AMXes from body flexing. Of course the cars were biting hard enough to pull the wheels, in fact it was a huge problem, much work going toward making the car go forward rather than up in the air.

WE knew the value of collectible AMC cars at the time but it wasn't common knowledge back then, most did not value the cars highly at all, even the rare ones. I had a '70 Mark Donahue Special Javelin too, one of only about 500 made for homologation requirements for Trans Am roadracing.

Man, it was enough trouble just getting some respect for the cars. Most thought they were dogs, that is, until you pulled up next to say a 454 Camaro in a 390 AMX and then proceed to outpull the Camaro in high gear.................THAT opened some eyes. But most stayed unconvinced the engines could run. They were well aware of it at our local strip though.

We did more than our share of street racing, knocking off big dogs like 426 Hemi, 440 Mopar, 454 GM, 455 Poncho or Olds all the time. We collected 375 hp 396 Chevelles like popcorn kernels. All with 395 (.030" over 390) inch motors pretty much, later on we ran a 406 based on the 401 engine. We got beat one time by a Reher/Morrison (yeah, them guys, the national Pro Stock winners, they were based in Arlington next door) 420+ inch SBC '65 Chevy II once, the guy was neutral starting an ATX since he didn't have a good converter in it yet. I was gritting my teeth every time he brought it up to what sounded like 8000 on his launches, expecting the trans to grenade. That was the only time we ever got beat in 3-4 years of street racing.

Wittsend

That SC/360 Hornet must have been pretty rusted being one of only 1,500 made!

amc49

True enough. In my view though the story actually begins when you get the car yourself, after that it has a story to tell that is different from all others. You yourself determine how interesting that story will be. I still wonder at the two AMX cars I sold and how much wondering the owners went through as they pulled this obscure part or that off to find they were modified and why? I chuckle just thinking of it. The last one was a drag/street car that had weight down to 2800 lbs. but appeared dead stock to casual view. I cut and whacked parts everywhere on that one. I traded it off for a real low mileage SC/360 Hornet so not too bad a loss there. I drove the Hornet to death and for 12 years. It finally went to the yard, the engine rebuilt to go in a sand drag jeep. Trans went into a '79 Concord I had that went to 320K miles.

Any car I mod now provides the added value to ME, I do not sell them at all, rather when done they go to the yard. You always lose money selling a viable running car in my view so I don't value 'collectability' much at all. Amortized out I make money keeping them longer as opposed to buying more of them. I've made car payments for maybe 7 out of 35 years running and with the backlog of running cars I now have I may never make another.

My rule #1? NEVER buy any part at Ford you cannot get elsewheres................I just broke that rule about a month ago to buy a Motorcraft Focus stat housing, you'd know it, it leaked as soon as installed. The glued bottom was not properly sealed all  the way around. So much for 'original quality' parts..................and not the first time Ford has let me down. Why I made the rule up to begin with. Of course not all Ford parts are defective, but I've certainly seen quite a few that are. In my view their quality is no better than the aftermarket. No matter, I vacuum epoxied the leak to then seal the part up, no way was I tossing a $50 part there.

Now as to the personal satisfaction of owning an all original car? I can't touch that of course.

I CAN touch upon how Ford is beginning to put parts in cars now that break way too early though. Like the previously mentioned stat housing that breaks to bring down plenty of Focus cars and put them in the yards. The replacement part is just as much garbage as the original is and at some time in future will fail again. Some people have failed 3 of them and ridiculous to have to do $500 repair over and over using 'original' parts. And that's not all, I can name entire streams of 'original' parts provided now that are garbage and do not last long at all. The Ford of old is not the Ford of now..............

DBSS1234

Anyone following my restoration thread knows which side of the stock/modified fence I fall on. I have nothing against customized cars, but they are just not my thing.
In my experience customized cars just don't hold their value. When the time comes to sell a custom car you need to find someone with the same tastes as you and be willing to pay for them. Not so easy. Ask any street rodder that sold his car, did he get his investment out of the sale? Nine times out of ten the answer is no.
As to why I personally like to restore to stock condition. First is nostalgia, I like having a "new" old car. In my case with the cruising wagon I bought it new, dated my future wife in it, and took my honeymoon in it. So cost is not a big factor in the restoration, I just want it like it was. Second is the history. All the little stamps, paint marks and decals tell a story about the car and how it was made. Destroy these things and the story is lost.
As to the extent of originality, in the 90's there were 2 main Mustang restorers I was familiar with, Bob Perkins and Drew Alcazar. Bob restores Mustangs to "as factory" with all the flaws reproduced (paint runs, crooked decals, etc.). Drew summed up his restorations this way, "some restore to as how Ford made them, I restore to as how Ford advertised they made them". I used a blend of the two philosophies.
About how our cars will never be valuable collector cars. There was a time the only fifties Chevrolet cars anybody cared about were the 55-57's. Priced a 58 Impala lately? Will they ever be as sought after as Mustangs and Camaros? Time will tell.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

mrskydog

All Stock here, I even saved the org. factory Belts/tires. (Replace because of the Age with all Ford parts) In my case, car only has 32,000 miles and Lucky to find all in allstock un-molested condition still.   ;D
"Living the Dream...Driving Old Fords"
1965 Mustang 2+2 Fastback
1980 Pinto Rallye 32,000 Org.
1972 Maverick Grabber V-8 car
2005 Mustang

bbobcat75

I agree on both, have one of each a 75 bobcat runabout that is 98% original and a 78 bobcat wagon that will be a sleeper with a 2.3t in it!! so I say go with what makes you happy!!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

amc49

One to back up the claims. Focus cars and the earlier Contour commonly use a zetec engine that uses like NINE cooling system hoses if you count all the stupid bypasses there. I cobbled up copper sweated to custom bends and tees using cheap Home Depot home copper pipe to replace the factory replacement formed hoses. All 3 cars I have now use the copper pipes I made. Every time I change hoses now I save a solid ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL, by using common bulk straight hose now instead of the factory provided hose shapes. The only molded hoses I use are the upper and lower main radiator hoses and thinking of replacing them as well.

I came up with that way back on the '74 Mustang II using a 2.3, I built copper heater pipes to again not use factory oddball hoses. When the Mustang was lost in a hailstorm I transferred the copper cooling system pipes to the '80 Pinto wagon.

Pinto5.0

I like Pinto's both stock & modified. The rarest one with a concourse resto is barely worth the cost of the paint job itself so who cares about numbers matching. Pinto's are one of the few cars that anyone can afford on any budget that is considered a classic so I say do what you want to them.

My 80 is a rare optioned car but the original engine is long gone so it's getting a Turbo Coupe 2.3L/T-5 combo. I'm going to keep the mint interior as-is & replicate the factory paint & stripes. I've done major work smoothing out the engine compartment & hiding the wiring, converted to 5-lug & installed an 8" rear.  I'll definitely have more money in it than it's worth on it's best day but I'm giving it to my son so I don't care about the cost.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Kevinwi


amc49

One view from the other side.

I see there being two ways to go there. Original or practical and being realistic.

I view the cars as what they are or devices to be used rather than worry about preserving this or that small feature or gimmick that originally came on the car. They are made to drive and doing so results in things happening that if one requires exact replacement part they are spending too much on what is essentially a crackerbox car with little worth other than to the owner. I look at my two Tempos, one Contour and two Focus cars the same way, they all run and dependably, but I don't hesitate to change any part to a better upgrade by other makers if it is cost effective. I change up lots of small things and the cars could never be called original. Each will get probably two motors and two transmissions and all built by me to let car run so long that it is really not feasible to think of selling it after all that time, it will be pretty much junkyard bound as the body will be falling apart.

I have no love affair with this or that car, I learned to love them while they are alive and make them last far longer than most ever do with so much less outlay most people think I'm lying about it. The most important thing to me is to drive the wheels off them with as little cash put in as possible but at same time doing only what's necessary to keep them going longer. The only way to keep a car original is to store it, that instantly makes it a worthless device since it is not doing what it was designed to do.

I value all my cars highly, but keep them original?? Absolutely no way, it is in no fashion cost effective. You would be amazed at the thousands of dollars I have saved by not buying new original parts, rather I often fix the broken part to go longer but it will not be 'factory original' after that fix. No matter, in my world the new fixed by me part will often work out to be better than the factory part ever would. I believe in improvement, originality means nothing to me other than I'll get around to changing that too sooner or later. One has to come to the understanding that ALL mechanical devices are made as cheaply as possible, that means original often means failure prone. I can find stuff like that on every car made on earth.

Henrius

Hello,

I see a lot of owners change engines or tweak other parts of their cars. So, how many owners have matching numbers cars, and attempt to keep their cars completely original? I also have a Ferrari and know how important it is for those cars. But, I don't see that same preservation efforts on Pintos. Maybe I just missed it.

I'd to get pointers and suggestions from those that have my same passion for stock originality.

Thanks!!
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My 1973 Runabout was given to my for a graduation present in 1976, when I graduated from college, so you know it is special to me. It is only one of two Pintos I have encountered with a factory sunroof. I was torn between keeping it original and improving it. My solution was to keep it as original in appearance as possible, but improve the performance.

I gathered stuff from the junkyard that were factory Pinto options that my car never had. Some really nice chrome headlight surrounds were one. A Temp/Voltmeter/Oil pressure set of gauges for the center console was another nice option, although from a later model car.

I saved the old engine in original form, and souped up a second junkyard engine. I put headers and increased the diameter of the exhaust system. I used the original carb but converted to Unilite distributor and MSD ignition. A friend mounted sway bars beneath the chassis. I recently had single-piece shoulder harnesses constructed for the car. You probably guessed I also upgraded from the factory AM radio.

I really, really wanted bigger wheels, but this is one upgrade I did not make, as it would be an obvious modification to anyone who sees the car on the street.

What will result when I am done is an authentic looking Pinto when seen driving on the street. But it will be a lot more fun to drive! If guilt ever gets the better of me, I can put the original engine back in.

Sad to say, I don't ever see Pintos as being collectable! The best we can hope for is we will enjoy the nostalgia trip, and others will want to ride with us!
1973 Pinto Runabout with upgraded 2.0 liter & 4 speed, and factory sunroof. My first car, now restored, and better than it was when it rolled off the assembly line!

Kevinwi

Time for a follow up.

I purchased a 73 sedan. The body looks good but the engine, muffler, brakes, etc. need repair. I bought the 73-79 Ford Car Master Parts and Accessories Catalog. Thanks for the suggestion.

As you can see from my avatar/picture, I have a fun garage.

Thanks for all the advice and comments.

77pintocw

Hey Kevinwi:

The one tool that made my complete restoration both enjoyable and productive
was the Ford Car Master Parts and Accessories Catalog.  This catalog comes in digital
format and shows and lists every part, its location, and the Ford part number for the Pinto.  I purchased the one for the 1973-1979 Ford Car which included my 1977 Pinto CW.  This catalog
helped me determine Ford part numbers and if NOS parts were available for my car.
There is one available for 1965-1972 Ford Cars which includes the Pinto.  You can
find them on e-bay for around $25.00.  Just type in 1965-72 Ford Master Parts.

Good luck with your adventure, be patient, take your time, and you will end up with a jewel.

Thanks,

77pintocw

1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

DBSS1234

Like 77pintocw I am the original owner of the CW pictured in my avitar. I ordered it in late 76 and it was delivered in early 77. After all these years in the original trim and with the original owner it would be a shame to modifiy it now. I plan to start a full rotisserie restoration on it this winter to bone stock as deliveried condition. When I start, I plan to post pics of the entire process. It should be an fairly easy restoration as the car now only has approx. 47,000 miles on it.

Kevinwi

In my senior year of high school, 1979, I bought a used 1972 2 door sedan. Now, years later, I'm looking to relive my childhood by getting another, matching, car. I guess it's a late mid-life crisis.
:fastcar:

77pintocw

Hey Kevinwi:

I bought my 1977 CW in 1978 and I am the original owner.  I am about to
finish a complete restoration of it and it is all 99.9% original (stock) even down to
the bolts and screws.  I will shortly post pics of the finish product.

What year of Pinto are you interested in restoring?  I do have a few suggestions
that will help.

Thanks,

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

old 1973

Kevinwi  dont believe u were being snobish we people r proud of our pintos I. Have run into places when I take my car to car shows being surroumded by all the fancy mustangs,chevys,dodges and all people that I talked to kept saying how cool the pinto is and the nice part they dont  lot to fix .o
My rides: 1972 Squire wagon (Kermit)#121
               1973 Squire wagon (Penny) #120
                1975 Mpg sedan (Pumpkin) # 122
                 1978 cruiser wagon (casper)

Kevinwi

I'm glad to hear of these original cars. I was looking for Pintos for sale over the past year and found that I could find more old Ferraris than Pintos (despite the obvious difference in numbers produced).

As the number of unmolested cars (no offense to owners of altered cars) continues to drop, I fear that in the near future, there won't be any unaltered survivors to compare restorations against.

I don't mean to be snobbish or offensive at all. It's just that I believe it's valuable to have some cars that can be compared against for judging at car shows or restoring cars.

dave1987

My mother was the original owner of my 78 sedan, and she let my oldest brother paint it blue in auto body class. After she handed it to me I have  been modifying it slightly for comfort and functionality, nothing performance yet though. Everything I have added, however, has been ford, and with that, era correct (meaning from the 70s time frame), with exception of the radio of coarse, but I still have the original radio and faceplate that can be reinstalled at any time. Everything I have added can be removed without damaging the car as well.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

old 1973

Hello kevinwi I have a 73 a squire wagon it is a all  original car as original can get .as with time some parts have to be replaced like rotors,calipers maybe some upgrades to a better radio system.usually for a complete # matching caru end up buying one or start with one that's really close and build it to be period correct.
My rides: 1972 Squire wagon (Kermit)#121
               1973 Squire wagon (Penny) #120
                1975 Mpg sedan (Pumpkin) # 122
                 1978 cruiser wagon (casper)

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

Kevinwi

Thanks for the comments.

Is there any reference I can check that has photos of all areas of the car? For example, what color are the brake calipers, bumper mounts, differential, etc. ?

My goal is to restore a car back to exactly as it rolled off the assembly line. (maybe a dream but worth it).

popbumper

Kevinwi, if you are interested in looking at an original restoration indepth (shameless plug here), please go to the "Your projects" forum and look at my restoration efforts under "Popbumper's '76 wagon". I have been working on my wagon, a full tear down and restore since '98. I hope to have it complete next spring.

This is an example of a car that will be 98-99% of what it was from the factory when fully completed. The only thing I plan to change from the original appearance is the addition of mag wheels and tires, otherwise it will remain all original, down to the motor, tranny, paint, interior (though the seats will be different, they were redone when I bought the car), and all other details.

My hope is to retain the originality and preserve a piece of history, which is why I am choosing a "stock" direction.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Cookieboystoys

Kevinwi, there are some... I have both "as original as I can get" and modified. In truth "numbers matching" has little factor on a Pinto like it would with some other "collector" cars, like the Ferrari you mentioned. Also many of these cars were not well taken care of, they are after all cheap beater throw away cars that most never took care of so many have to have parts swapped just to save them... The all originals are rare and very well respected in our little community so please don't miss understand my above statements. I know I am considering the "original" factor much more when looking for Pintos to buy and the "originals" I own are some of my personal favs
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Kevinwi

Hello,

I see a lot of owners change engines or tweak other parts of their cars. So, how many owners have matching numbers cars, and attempt to keep their cars completely original? I also have a Ferrari and know how important it is for those cars. But, I don't see that same preservation efforts on Pintos. Maybe I just missed it.

I'd to get pointers and suggestions from those that have my same passion for stock originality.

Thanks!!