Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Moving the firewall back

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entropy

Quote from: pintodan460 on August 25, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Just wanted to give my two cents, on my 1971 coupe I moved my firewall back 7" to put my 460 with a c-4. the firewall now sits below the windshield weld as before it was at the edge of the hood. I have a 4-link and subframe connectors. the car will launch good without wheelie bars, the weight is not near 50%. front is at 1600# and rear at 1100#. I did use a ford stock rear sump oil pan and relocated the crossmember and reinstalled the rack. springs are mustang II with a 1/2 coil cut off. One thing I don't think I did well is brace it when you finally start cutting out the firewall, make sure you stay square. I also used a floor mounted brake pedal because my headers were in the way, my seat is bolted in the stock location but I  adjusted it all the way back. Have fun. :)

Holy crap....I always assumed that was a chassis car....
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

wedge446

I had planed on moving everything back, seat, pedals shifter... I also planed frame ties and a cage but plans change.
Moving the rear axle forward would be nice but with the wheel base being short already I think it will make a pinto unstable at speed...
Thanks for all the input
BTW, the wagon is going up for sale.
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

amc49

We used to have a 460 Pinto guy at the strip too. It was kind of a dog though (absolutely no insult intended there!). He ran a pretty much dead stock motor and individual zoomie exhaust pipes; it sounded like crap. He loved drag racing though and that's all that matters....................one of those guys who never broke, just showed up every single weekend. Like a high elevens car. The VW mentioned above was more like a high tens car.

pintodan460

Just wanted to give my two cents, on my 1971 coupe I moved my firewall back 7" to put my 460 with a c-4. the firewall now sits below the windshield weld as before it was at the edge of the hood. I have a 4-link and subframe connectors. the car will launch good without wheelie bars, the weight is not near 50%. front is at 1600# and rear at 1100#. I did use a ford stock rear sump oil pan and relocated the crossmember and reinstalled the rack. springs are mustang II with a 1/2 coil cut off. One thing I don't think I did well is brace it when you finally start cutting out the firewall, make sure you stay square. I also used a floor mounted brake pedal because my headers were in the way, my seat is bolted in the stock location but I  adjusted it all the way back. Have fun. :)
big block pinto

ToniJ1960

Quote from: Ricpinto on August 24, 2013, 08:10:32 AM
I agree with amc49. If you move the firewall back 10" there will be no room for anything let alone A/C. I think the seat(s) would need moved back & a longer steering column etc etc etc. Have you considered moving the Rear Forward like on the 'Old Time Altered Wheelbase cars?   

I wonder how funny that would look on a wagon. Maybe someone with photoshop can work on it.

79prostreet

I moved mine back 4'' and hope that having a wagon and 4 bar set up will hook. Have QA1 on all four corners, trying to get as much adjustability as I can. Two batteries and a 15 gallon fuel cell all the way back, can adjust a little w/gallons in the cell.   
79prostreet

74 PintoWagon

Back in the 70's the guy that owned the shop where we took the company vehicles for service put a 428CJ in a bug and the hood closed, unless you took a close look at it you'd never know it had a V8 in it, I think the car is still on the road today.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

Yep, when you talk firewall and 10 inches you are talking about a lot more than just the firewall.

I had this somewhat eccentric drag racing buddy who actually put a 454 fatblock in a VW beetle, he ended up sitting in back seat area. (yeah, like there even IS a backseat in a beetle!) Car ran pretty hard and consistent too.

289Wagon

 I agree with amc49. If you move the firewall back 10" there will be no room for anything let alone A/C. I think the seat(s) would need moved back & a longer steering column etc etc etc. Have you considered moving the Rear Forward like on the 'Old Time Altered Wheelbase cars?   
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

amc49

I agree with that last post. Once you start talking about 10" relocation of the firewall you have essentially appointed yourself as engineer. You have no room for instrument panel at all then. Once the front end box extended like that it will no longer be as strong as it was before, easier to simply start tubing that sucker up. Unibody can only be slightly modded, a major one like that is going to have some grief there unless you are really really good.

The 50/50 isn't squat. Pintos don't launch because they have no rear overhang too and 50/50 doesn't touch that issue. Or how the rear 50% is located front or rear of rear axle. Rear end force work is more productive there, I've seen 50/50 cars that simply skated every time the power was applied. No bite at all. If the suspension really works well you change the bias closer to 50/50 for a second simply by working the suspension. We found ourselves often trying to KILL bite on our 10 second AMXs and they had no add on traction device of any type and no where near 50/50.

OhSix9

Why bother messing with a swiss cheese unibody if that is the plan. Break out the chromoly, chop saw n mig and just throw down on a full tube chassis. Dice out the firewall and floorpans with a plasma cutter and give it a suit of pinto . aluminum footboxes firewall and floors are a lot more straight forward than trying to not fold up a  modified stocker.  You never mentioned rear suspension and there is a whole lot more to hooking it up than weight bias.  Incidentally  this opens up some nice options. get a rear irs conversion kit for a factory 5 cobra. it comes with the cradle, narrowed control arms and cv shafts. add your own center section and bearing hubs. put pickup points on your chassis and bolt in a complete irs subassembly. Sticking with the giant girder and leafs, build a set of custom caltracks to fit. this is probably one of the most effective things you can do to the back of a leaf spring car.  Guys can hook ,get consistent 60's and run 8's on a set of caltracks.
Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

Virgil to Sid

wedge446

Thanks
That's a start but Im wanting to move the engine back about 10" or more
Im going to be using a rear sump oil pan and stock heaters
I have have to revamp the front cross member to do it but I think it will be worth it 
I plan on making a new heat/AC box
My goal it to have a 50/50 static weight distribution min so it will dead hook on any surface plus I want A/C  these past few weeks in the Florida heat proved that I need A/C 


With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

OhSix9

Reeves has undertaken this project to stuff in both an '02 boss and another to rit a tall deck motorsport 351w  and has a lot of good pictures here
http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/ugly-yellow-72-pinto/


Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

Virgil to Sid

wedge446

Im going to be cutting the firewall out and moving it back on my 75 wagon to get a little more weight on the rear of the car and to give some more room for a V8..
Im also thinking of removing the inner fender wells..
Has anyone done this before that can give me the benefit of there experience.
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.