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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

arkyt

Pintogirl, what month?
78 sedan
77 V8 cruizin wagon
73 MGB
09 Challenger RT

pintogirl

Well, the story of my calendar car is no where near as fascinating as the others! LOL  It is car number 15 or 16, can't remember how many I have actually bought over the last few years, lol. We found it at another tow yard. Towed it home, had a key made, added a battery, and it started an ran like a dream! It is missing the heater core, which I have one to put in, just been lazy on doing it. It also needs a new windshield, another reason I haven't put the heater core in. It is hard to drive it with the crack going right through where I look out. That and if I get caught driving it with that bad of a crack I can get a ticket. I have a windshield for it, but need to buy a gasket and I just haven't wanted to spend the money on it yet. So it only gets driven on nice warm days, and for short runs. Try to stay close to home in it. It will remain in my fleet as a driver. :D Funny thing on this one was, I actually left a note on it a year or so ago, when I saw it in a grocery store parking lot. Sad thing is the man that owned it (didn't know him when I first saw the car), passed away and that is why it ended up at the tow yard. It was just funny that we ended up with a car that we left a note on. :D

That's it. Pretty basic and boring! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

JoeBob

So we have the first 5 months plus the cover. Please the rest of you, lets hear it. I can't imagine you don't have stories to tell. It would be a shame to not finish.
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

blupinto

Now THAT'S a happy ending! That is so cool!

One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

Since mine is on the cover, I guess I will play along  ;D     A close friend of mine and local interior legend bought the car from the originally owners son. I had seen it at a local cruise night (Solid Gold McDonalds) and never thought much of it.
One night I was joking around with the owner and offered him a price that he took. I was not being serious but he knew that I would give it a good home plus his wife really wanted the car gone. A couple of calls to a loan company that I deal with sometimes and I had the $$$   I actually gave him the money for the car before I as much as gave it a good looking over but I trusted him so it was not an issue.
Fast forward to the following January at the Milwaukee World of Wheels where I proudly put her on display when this short little gal came running up with tears in her eyes because this was the car she had learned to drive in from her grandpa. Turns out her grandpa bought the car new, gave it to her for school, she gave it to her sister and her dad sold it to Carl (the guy I bought it  from). Casi and I have been friends since. She had heard that Carl had sold the car but had no clue it was still in town. She was beyond happy that I had it and that it would be a show car, not a race car in a demo derby.
That's my story
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

arkyt

My story is much different than those already posted.  The story of my first Pinto was in the Pinto Times.  It was a brand new '71.  So, I won't recount it here.  All the others that I have owned have served me faithfully.  I have never, NEVER, that one leave me stranded!  I've driven them HARD.  I've driven them for lots and lots of miles.  I've taken them on roads where the only choice was to gas it and keep going forward regardless of the large rock stuck underneath.  I drove them in the winter in Alaska.  Sedans and wagons and CW's.  I love the little suckers!  6'4" and very comfortable.  6'3" now and could use a tilt wheel now but once in, I still love 'em.   

My black '77 CW is gratefully featured gracing the month of April.  It is the third CW that I have owned.  My journey back into Pintodom began almost as a accident.  One late night while cruising Ebay, I spotted a '78 trunk and a '77 CW project for sale in my state.  Thinking that I didn't have much of a chance, I placed a bid that to me was way low; but one that I could afford.  I was pleasantly surprised to win.

I hauled them home and began to work on the '78.  I did, fortunately, continue to browse Ebay, Craig's List, junkyards, ads and everything else for anything Pinto related.  Craig's List found me what I like to call My Little Burro.  That's from some movie and was a Bronco; but it fits when I start it up and get on it a little for people who ask about it and kids that want to see a burnout.  My Little Burro has a 302, C4 and the exhaust is straight out those side pipes.

For almost 6 years, I've enjoyed the thumbs-ups, questions, revved up engines, and questioning looks for those who see it.  Since the photo in the calendar things have changed.  The TRX wheels are gone.  The grill is black in front of electric fans.  The biggest changes are coming now.  After getting ready for the first show in the spring, a little test ride resulted with the hood on the windshield!  ALWAYS! make sure that you hood pins are Locked!  The new hood will be 'glass with a mini L88 style scoop.  Mustang seats are acquired, new carpet ordered and frontend rebuild underway.

Hope to have My Little Burro and Baby Blue together for next years calendar.  LOVE THE PINTO!

Arkyt  (Tom)             
78 sedan
77 V8 cruizin wagon
73 MGB
09 Challenger RT

JoeBob

There are 5000 members here. I could read their stories all day long. We could write a book together. Everyone write just one page. It would be great fun. Please everyone else on the calendar, tell your story. I would like to keep this thread just for the calendar, but I think I will start another thread and encourage everyone else to join in telling the story of their pinto. I will name it pinto-autobiography. If you have another pinto biography post it there.
Thanks for the great stuff
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

blupinto

I loved the last two stories!!!  Thanks Joe-I mean Bill... ::)


By the way, I've had those same kinds of dreams... except in the dreams it was mostly Mavericks in that great Medium Yellow Gold color (goldenrod) and I'm always flabbergasted at why the car sat in the garage for years and I'm only now noticing it... but KNOWING it was mine all along.  Mind you, I never had a 2-door Maverick, or any car with that color paint...  :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

JoeBob

Mine is the car for March. 77 yellow Bobcat
My name is Bill Fallert from Arvada Colorado. The Joebob name is an alias that I use on the net. If I get anything addressed to Joebob then I know it is from someone who does not know me.

   I bought my first pinto, a new 72 trunk model,  at age 17. I loved that car. I drove it for 3 years.
    Fast forward to 2001. I started having this dream. In the dream I would go out to my garage and find a tarp covered car. I pull the tarp off and wowie-zowie!!!! It is my old pinto. Joy and happiness!!! It has been in my garage for 30 years and I just did not notice it until now.  Then I would wake up and find that the real world did not contain a pinto for me.
This happened over and over. I am sure it was 30 or more times. I decided to do something about it.
    Ebay to the rescue. After seven months of searching I found my bobcat in the nearby city of Brighton. It belonged to an elderly woman who went into nursing care. She and her husband bought the car and put seat covers on it right away. The interior of this car is still perfect. The dash pad had one hairline crack. The original color was pale green, so light that it was almost yellow. I hated that green, but it was such a nice car I bought it anyway. 54,00 miles on it. I wanted a pinto but this was the best I could do without traveling. Now I am glad I have a bob. There were only 18,300  1977 bobcats made. You know nowadays pintos a rare, but bobcats are very rare.
   The husband died shortly after the purchase. This woman did not know anything about maintenance. I think she thought gas was all it needed. The dipstick was dry. All the brakes were down to metal. The carb was shot.   
   The car needed a little bodywork and a lot of cosmetic parts. Door handles, seatbelt clips, little trim things etc. I found about 20 little things on ebay. The most difficult parts to get were the NOS chrome wheel outlines. These get dinged up by car doors and the ones on my car had 30-40 dings each. My original price book has these trim pieces costing $7.80 each. After 7 years of searching and $450.00 spent I now have them in flawless condition. Everything on the car is now restored original except paint and the wheels.  The paint is VW beetle yellow. I could not possibly paint that same yellow-green again.  The interior is an unusual green. I could not find a green for the exterior, of any shade, that looked good with it.
    Yellow with green interior is not a combination that any manufacture of any car ever made. Everyone knows it is a repaint. I love the combination. I named the car Bob. I guess I am not very inventive with names. I have attended about 10 car shows. We won prizes in two. I missed the big event last year. The rally started in Denver. I was so disappointed, I did not know about it until a week after it was over.  Bob would have had so much fun. He has never met another pinto or bobcat. He did meet a gremlin last summer. He wasn't impressed.
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

80_2.3_ESS

Okay, I'll play too  ;D

Mine is the Red 1980 Pinto for the month of May (also happens to be my birthday month).

The car is a 1980 Ford Pinto ESS, born September of 1979, with a 2.3 Liter & 4 speed manual trans, and originally was Red on Red  :o

The car came into my family's possession in the fall of 1980. My dad bought it used from a body-shop with roughly 3k on the odometer. He was concerned it had been hit, since it was at a body shop, but there was no signs of repair, collision, crumples etc, and the shop said that it had no damage.

So my dad bought the car, and drove it until 1985 (when my brother was born). In those 5 years, he put roughly 125k on it. Him and his buddy would just go out driving for fun and would put over 1,000 miles on the car a week or more. He also did a few mods, including Racer Walsh front lowering springs, a Racer Walsh Stage 3 solid-lifter cam, Offenhauser stepped intake, Holley 390 4-barrel, Rallye Pinto front air dam & rear 3-piece spoiler, 13" Crager Slots with BG Goodrich Radial TA's, the rear-window louvers, and converted the interior to black using parts from his 1976 Pinto Stallion that he had just recently wrecked  :(

In 1981, my parents were married, and took said pinto on their honeymoon. We actually have pictures from the wedding with the car.

Also, in roughly '81 or '82, my dad and mom went to New York with my aunt and uncle to a car show (now the Adirondack Nationals in Lake George) and had the pin-striping done, by hand. To this day, the guy who did the car is still up there at the shows hand pin-striping the cars at the show.

So fast forward to 1985. My dad and mom were married for 4 years now, and my brother was born. My brother was actually taken home in the pinto, and my mom complained about how difficult it was to have the kid in the back-seat, and it was hard to get him in and out. My dad was working at a car dealership at the time, and picked up a beautiful 83 or 84 Thunderbird (AKA Aerobird). He put the Pinto on the lot, but due to the bad reputation they had for "blowing up", the car never sold, so my dad put a cover on it and put it away in storage.

Over the next few years, the car sat, and my dad tried a second time to sell it, but nobody bought it, so back into storage it went.

Fast forward to when I was a thigh-high, roughly mid-to-late 90's, and my dad takes the car out. We were going to a car show, and he wanted to run it a little bit. My mom drove my dad's '76 Bronco to the show, and my dad took the Pinto, with me in the passenger seat. We got to the show, and we parked the two vehicles and started walking around. We kept watching the Pinto to see how people liked it. Not 1 person knew what it was expect for this one older couple. The guy walked up to the car, and said "Look Hun, its a pinto!"

From that day on, I fell in love with the car, and every year I would ask my dad to pull the car out and "redo it" to get it back on the road. Every year though, things would come up and it never got done.

Fast forward to 2010. My dad comes home one day and says "So you wanna do the pinto this year?". I nearly jumped out of my skin with excitement. We sat down and talked about it and came to a deal that if I bought the parts, then he would give me the car when it was done. So the deal was made, and the car came out of storage. We pulled it out, and started to make a list of what had to be done. I literally spent a week buffing, clay-barring, waxing and detailing the outside of the car, all by hand. The paint on the car is still the factory paint, and it shines like new. We did a few other mods to the car, like rebuilding the motor with new gaskets, rebuilding the carb etc. We put in an 8" Ford rear-end out of a Mustang II Ghia. It is still sporting the factory motor (though with mods), and the factory, unmodified 4-speed manual trans. We upgraded it to 5-lug, and put on the 11" brakes on the front with all new brake lines (just for safety reasons). We also had to put on new wheels, now 14" slots, as the 13" wheels had no good tires out there.

We finished the car in mid-august. I had to learn to drive stick, in that car, in 2 weeks, as we had planned to bring it back to Lake George for the car show, after not being there for almost 30 years. I was driving the car back and fourth to work and out to run errands, trying to get use to the car. I ended up driving the car up to Lake George with no issues, though it was nerve racking to say the least.

Now, in 2012, I am still driving the car, and still loving the car. It's actually funny, because I drove the car into work today, so it's kinda fitting that I post on here. The car will never leave my possession, and the connection I have with the car is so great. My dad and I spent many late nights, sometimes to 2 AM, out in the garage together working on the car, and much blood, sweat and tears went into it. The only plans I have for the car is this summer will get a motor rebuild. The motor now does have a slight oil leak, and the RPM power-band is roughly 4,500 to 6,000, much too high for normal driving, as this car does not get raced or anything. So almost 30 years later, and a generation later, Racer Walsh will be getting another order.

Sorry to make such a long post guys (and gals), but the history this car has with me and my family was just too much to "skim over".

EDIT: If you guys have any questions regarding the car, feel free to ask!
Nick in CT

1980 2.3L Pinto ESS

blupinto

I don't know if my story was great... but it WAS long... ::)   Thank you guys!

JonzWagon, I worked in the Colton area in that time period- Bloomington, then Fontana.  I lived in San Bernardino then. My Dad still does, and I visit him. I was there last weekend in fact. We need to do a Pinto Meet (mini) sometime... me, you, Jennifer...  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

JonzWagon

Ok! Joebob you talked me into it!  Not as great a story as Becky's. 
      I bought my orange wagon from the original owner back in 1997. He worked for the city of Colton here in So Cal. and drove a truck during the week. He used the Pinto mainly for trips and vacations and twice yearly Vegas Weekends. He had it for 17 years and put 40,000 miles on it. I have had it for 17 years and have put an additional 13,000 miles on it. Was going to use it as a daily driver, but it is too nice a survivor to do that.
      Other than the tinted windows it is pretty much as it was in 1980.  The wagon came with optional wire wheel hubcaps. A Good friend of mine found the factory correct slot mags for me. The left front fender had a small dent and was fixed and painted in 1997. The rest of the paint is factory original. The glass, chrome, trim and body are in near perfect condition. The interior is also like new with a perfect dash pad. The interior is a Caramel color which goes great with the orange.
       The Pinto had some good standard options in 1980. This one also has factory air, power steering & brakes, automatic trans., cargo light and some interior upgrades. Found the build sheet under the cargo area carpet. Also it has the original full size spare tire which has never been on the ground.
       I love 2 door wagons and really enjoy driving my Pinto. It attracts some attention, it pretty much stands out in a sea of gray, white and black cars that we have now.
       It runs as good as it looks, and luckily, other than routine maintenance, tires and a new coil, it has been a very dependable car. I have collected quite a few parts over the years, including a mint Bobcat grille.
      Jobob, thanks for the excuse to blab about my car, i like your ideas.  Your turn now, tell me about your stunning Bobcat.....

JoeBob

I loved the story Becky. I wanted to contact John McLeod and personally invite him to post his story. The members map is down. If anyone knows him please invite him to join this thread. I know there is a second calendar from the rally last year, I do not have that one. If someone would like to start a thread for that one as well I think it would be great. This thread gave me a thought. I think it would be cool if a different member's car and story could have a front page feature. A different car and story every month. I would be a good way to get to know the membership. How about it management?
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

blupinto

Hi JoeBob!  ;D   Do you want a story or War And Peace? lol

Ok here goes... My name is Becky McCaa and my car is Ruby RedHot. I saw ads of my lil' red '71 for sale in both craigslist and fordpinto.com but inwardly groaned when I saw her location... El Cajon... not really very far from me. Soon the internal arguments began... "I don't want a trunk model", ... "I don't want a red car"..."I don't want another stick shift car"... I don't NEED another car,"... and so on. Then one fateful day I had an adventurous bug crawl up somewhere in my anatomy and "HAD" to go see the car. "Oh, I'm not going to buy it, I'm just looking," I told myself, half believing it. "I want to see if it shifts better than my wagon," I reasoned.  "I just want to see the paperwork and stuff she comes with," I consoled myself. You see, I had made contact with the seller, a man and his wife who lost his sister- the lifelong owner of the red Pinto- that past August. He had dangled a carrot in front of me- his sister kept ALL the paperwork and the car had Pinto floor mats. Who could resist!?!

                   When I got to the house there she was. Her red paint was dirty and oxidized to a dull pink tint. Her vinyl interior was shinier than her paint! We- the seller and I- hopped in and I went for a test drive. I must've worried him because he admonished me that I didn't have to revv the engine when going into first gear! lol I have to do that with my War Wagon.  She was easy to shift but very different in feeling from the '73 wagon. The brother also informed me that a couple guys came by to look at the car. They had plans to turn her into a race or drag car. Mind you, she didn't even smoke and had lots of pep for an old lady. After I went home I consulted Dwayne (he has a 1600 Pinto too) and he assured me the 1.6 is a dependable power plant. When I called to discuss if I could put a down payment on her the brother told me someone else was going to do the same. Well, if you're tentatively interested in something and it's under threat by someone else, now you REALLY have to have it, right!?! I became a woman possessed... " How can I make this happen!?!" "Can I spare another $200 and go get her now!?"  "I need someone to drive me over there to pick her up,"... I called my dear friend Patty and she agreed to do it. HAPPY DANCE!!! HAPPY DANCE!!!

           That night we went to do it. It turns out that the deceased lady's brother drove trucks delivering lumber to the Dixieline Patty worked at years ago. He and his wife do the mountain man encampments and their living room reflected this. Ruby came home with me without a glitch.


             The next morning, before I had breakfast, I was out there washing and waxing the red car. After I removed all that dust, bird poo, and oxidation my eyes started hurting. That was a bright red! lol  I almost called her Cherry Baby but her vibrant hue suggested something fiery and flirty. There's a local group out here called Ruby and the Redhots. The Ruby in question is the daughter of Harve Presnell (I think her name is Etoinne or something like that). I have personally met her at a Steely Damned gig in San Diego and she is very sweet, beautiful, and a living Barbie Doll (in a good way). Ruby RedHot rolls off my tongue as easily as the car herself rolls down the boulevard.

              I have not regretted one iota getting this great old car. Sure, her blindingly red paint is faded and she leaks a little oil but she helped me realize a dream long dormant and helped me make LOTS of great new friends. The Pinto Stampede was a hoot and a blast and I am so proud of my little car for not having to be hauled AT ALL on this trip. I got to put faces to names and basked in the Pinto Love- WHAT A FEELING!!! She got to be on a NASCAR track as well as the world-famous Indy track (albeit in third gear going 30 mph...)  things I never would have been able to do if not for the Bagis and the Pinto Stampede... and my Ruby RedHot. Home now, she inspires smiles, waves and thumbs-up going to work and back.  Funny how a car that I, ahem, didn't want at first is now the star of the corral.

             I'm sorry, JoeBob... when it comes to Ruby, I get a tad long-winded... lol  THank you for inviting me to share her story.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

JoeBob

I love the pinto calendar and in March my bob will be the cover girl. It is a little late, but how about each month the featured car owner post here the story of their car. John McLeod has his gorgeous wagon featured for January. Becky's Ruby is February. List your month, name and story. Don't wait until your month roles around post it now. I would like to print them off and attach to my calendar. I will post mine in a few days. I would like to have John and Becky tell their stories first
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9