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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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72pair

Pan looks like a copy of the Shelby cobra 289 piece. Most of those had COBRA or SHELBY cast into the sides where this one is blank. Looks cool!
72 sedan 2.0, c-4 beater now hot 2.0, 4-speed
72 sedan 2.3, t-5, 8" running project
80 Bobcat hatchback 2.3, 4-spd, 97K

Reeves1

No idea where the pan is from.
I do remember seeing them many years ago ?
It was altered to go over the rack though.

I found a BOSS 302 Drag Pack engine & trans. Complete unit ready to drop in and run. Big coin, but will be worth it. Seeing the Shelby & 2-4s under the hood will be cool as well  ;D

RSM

What is that oil pan originally off of?...never seen one like that.

Reeves1

Original builder likely wanted the braces on both sides due to the pan mod to lower the engine over the rack.
Picture shows what I mean...


RSM

That torque strap is only needed on the drivers side of the engine since the torque of the engine is towards the passenger side. My V8 Pinto has only 1 and uses stock Mustang II engine mounts. I've had no issues with this setup.

Fehrion_sit

i found those in the keystone book, i might get a one or two, where do you have them mounted? .. i picked up the 68 289 and now im looking for ether a donor 4spd car or someone parting one out, i really dont want an automatic v8, but ill settle for it. ... does anyone know if the turbo pangras had 8" rears? im pretty sure it is one. keep the 4 lug or swap to five? bc ive been reading on here about the 5 lug swap and it seems really complicated or it seems like i have to find an entire different rear end. im just trying to get my facts straight


help/advice is greatly appreciated! 

Reeves1

For motor mounts, I have read on here you use two left mounts from a Mustangll. I could be wrong: a search should find the info.

Front brace pictures of the front left on mine:







This is in a 1972, with a 302W. They were used on the BOSS 302 as well, when it was in it.
I don't have pictures handy for the right side, but it is the same.

Fehrion_sit

Reeves1 - do you know where i can find motor mounts that would work for my 289 swap? what do you mean by adjustable bar? i have alot less space in the front of mine bc of the pangra kit, so im still working on the radiator/fan setup

Reeves1

Quotedoes anyone know if these motor mounts are real and will work for what we have?

They look like what is in my 72.Bolted & welded down the sides.

Mine also has adjustable bars at the front of the engine.
No pictures of them, yet.

Fehrion_sit

hey guys, im starting the same thing with my 72 pinto pangra and i have two questions, i didnt wanna start another thread on the same topic

can i have a link to the set of hooker headers that would fit a 1968 289 ? does it matter if it has 302 heads on it?

does anyone know if these motor mounts are real and will work for what we have?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-73-Ford-Pinto-Hooker-V8-Frame-Mounts-/260781618242?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb7cbb442

WIV8Pinto

Thanks for the info pinto Ken...Im getting REALLY close to running my car at the strip...can't wait to see what it can do!!! I'll keep you all posted......still need to find a trailer........il probably rent one just to get it to the track.....
1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

72pintoken

Hello,
I hope WIV8Pinto will see this post. I built a 72 runabout with a 302w, c-4 trans, 9 inch rear end out a 57 ford wagon(it bolted right in). I used the hooker header kit. The mounts and the headers. Oh forgot to mention 1970 351w heads which I hand ported. I still have the car but the engine is long gone. I used to drag race it in the early 1980s. The car ran a best of 11:90 @110mph. Parked some big block chevy street cars at that time. It was alot of fun with just a mild engine. Build what you can afford. These cars are so light that they run pretty fast in the 1/4 mile without to much HP. Obviously the more engine you have the more difficult it is to get the car hooked up with stock suspension. Around where I live I've seen a couple run 10:90 with 302s. Alot more into the engine than what I had but still had leaf spring rear ends C-4 and slicks. I hope this incourages you. Ken

WIV8Pinto

WOW..thats a pretty wild vision...sounds like fun...they made some small die cast cars like that a few years ago that looked just like that...I have a few of the Mustangs, one in orange and one in yellow, that look just like that...

It would take lottery money to build that dream...its over $20K just for the motor...
1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

Norman Bagi

I dream about those engines, If I won the lottery you would see the sickest vision of a Boss Pinto ever, with a HUGE Shaker Scoop, so big that took up almost the whole Hood.  it would be cartoonish. With flames blowing out the exhaust.  I would widen the back of the car extending the rear wheels out instead of in. It might need a solid lead bumper to keep the nose down.

WIV8Pinto

WOW...rear ended...that is an awesome site!!! I love Ford engines!!!..might be a bit much for a mighty Pinto though..ha ha...wow, I could envision that engine in a lot of Ford projects...
1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

Norman Bagi


WIV8Pinto

Thats cool...buying one ready to go is a good thing too...saves a lot of time & skinned knuckles...lol
1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

redmustangman3

If you want one ready to go, check out my 71 V8 Pinto in the classifieds......Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

WIV8Pinto

1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

WIV8Pinto

1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

WIV8Pinto

don't settle for the 289 or 302...I've got a 351 Windsor in mine, and it fits like factory. There is a kit from Hooker that makes it an easy swap. I didnt do the swap, but the kit was very popular in the 80s...just make sure you get a differential that can handle a V8...Ford 8 inch from mustang II, or you could contact Moser engineering...they will make exactly what you need to fit...If you make a lot of power, you will want a Ford 9" diff...but it all depends on your budget...Good luck!!

http://www.moserengineering.com/

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~biesiade/Fordrears.html
1972 V8 Pinto Wagon 351 Windsor C4 4.88 gears...& hang on!!!!
Also 02 F150 4x4 and 96 Explorer sport 4x4

fanof511

There is a manual........Whoo Hoooo!!!!! Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. My goal is a small body without computer that will house a small v8 that with a small carb and driven without a lead foot that will yield decent fuel economy (as far as v8s go anyway)

maybe a small holley and tranny with a decent top end .......... just ramblin out loud.

I really appreciate your responses, thank you very much.

dave1957

the v8 swap manual on ebay for 8 bucks is a ripoff imho.....
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RSM

There are a few guys with V8 cars and I'm sure someone will chime in. There are a few articles on this subject. It's not a really complicated thing to do. Coming up with the right parts to do it is the trick. If you can find a V8 Mustang II for a donor car would make it easy. You need the oil pan and pickup tube, engine mounts, exhaust manifolds if you don't want to do headers plus a rear axle if your car doesn't have an 8" in it. A lot depends on the year of car you use also.

fanof511

Hello,

I'm new to the site and to pintos. They were very popular when I was a young brat. I have taken a liking to them as a light weight platform for a v8. Is there a link or any literature on swapping out the smaller motors to the 289 or 302. Frame modification, clearance problems etc. Any direction would be much appreciated.