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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Need for Dimensions

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dragnfyr

Thanks, this is much appreciated...

Drag

tinkerman73

Sorry. Had them at large, then we had the two days of silence and I plum forgot! Now, keep in mind that the way the engine is located in my barn that some of these measurments are only eyeballed. So there maye be close but not exact. Likewise, your pictures showed a v6 or v8 while you were asking for measurments of the 2.3. Likewise, the c4 auto I have does not look like the drawing. I am not a mechanical wiz. So bare with me on these. Hopefully they will be a good start for you to rough some things in though? Thasnk.
A; 8"

B: 24 1/2 TO THE TOP OF THE CARB. MAY AIRFILTER IS A ADDITIONAL 2" ON TOP OF THAT.

C:EYEBALLED 7 1/4" ON BOTH SIDES

D: EYEBALLED 21 1/4" ( IN QUESTION TO THE MOTOR MOUNTS, OIL PAN IS  9 1/2" DRIVERS SIDE OF CAR, MOTOR MOUNT IS 5 1/2 BEYOND THE PAN. PASSENGER SIDE MOUNT IS 6 1/4 BEYOND THE PAN. tHIS IS TO THE FRAME BOLT HOLES ON THE MOUNTS.

E:EYEBALLED 10 3/4"

F: EYEBALLED 22 3/4"

G: AGAIN HERE, IN YOUR PICTURE FOR A V STYLE MILL WHEN THIS IS THE 2.3 4 BANGER.SO I DID FROM OUTSIDE OF EXHAUST MANY TO OUT SIDE OF INTAKE MANY. fROM CENTER OF BLOCK TO EXHAUST IS 9". FROM CENTER TO OUTSIDE OF INTAKE IS ABOUT 12"

TRANNY
H:IS THIS TO THE COOLER LINE? IF SO I HAVE EYEBALLED 12 1/2"

I: IF THIS IS TO SHIFTER BOLT, THIS IS EYEBALLED 12 1/4" OTHERWISE, IF IT IS TO A HOLE TOWARDS THE BACK, THEN IT IS 25"

J LENGTH IS 31 INCHES.

FOR THE C4, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND EXACT MEASURMENTS ONLINE SOMEWHERES AS IT IS A VERY COMMON TRANNY AND BEEN USED FOR YEARS. AGAIN, MOST OF THIS IS ROUGH EYEBALLED. BUT HOPEFULLY IT GETS YOU SO YOU CAN ROUGH THINGS IN? THANKS.
Jody Michielsen

dragnfyr

I could still use these measurements, if anyone has the time...

Drag

Quote from: dragnfyr on March 01, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
Hello Folks
Can anyone give me the dimensions of a 2.3L engine and a C4 transmission? What I am looking for are:

http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view&current=enginesize.jpg

A. Lowest point on oil pan to center of crankshaft
B. Lowest point on oil pan to highest point of air cleaner
C. Lowest point on pan to center of motor mount
D. Distance between the centers of the motor mounts
E. Water Pump to center of motor mount
F. Water Pump to front of bell-housing
G. Overall Width left to right
H. Front of bell housing to center of transmission mount
I. Bell housing to center of speedometer connect
J. Bell housing to end of tailshaft 

A friend of my brothers is going to give him a 75 Pinto, and he wants me to make him a frame for it, and deliver it to him when I come for his birthday.. The problem is that neither of us have seen the car, much less been able to get measurements.. . I have good overall measurements for the length and front/rear suspension placement, just not the rest of the drivetrain... Any help would be greatly appreciated, even pointing me to websites where I can find the info...

Thanks
Drag
Quote from: dragnfyr on March 05, 2011, 12:22:03 AM
OK, let me rephrase my question/explanation... My brother lives in Florida, near Tampa... I live in Texas... His friend who will be giving him the car lives in North Georgia... He has told my brother that the car is a 75 hatchback, with a 2.3 and c4 transmission, and that the floors and trunk are badly rusted... Otherwise the car is complete and "solid"... I weld and do framework, my brother does not... I will be going to visit in April for his birthday, and will be bringing a car he had me restore for his daughter... He has asked me to build a frame to put the pinto body on, and bring it when I visit in April... I found a 75 hatch in a local pic-n-pull but the motor/transmission mounts and tunnel had been cut out by the previous owner... So I have all the measurements as far as the frame/suspension/body go, but not motor mounts, transmission mount, or body clearances for engine/tranny...  I already built in the front crossmember and added the rear spring mounts, and have created lower firewall, floor, wheel tubs, and trunk panels... 

Basically, what I would like to be able to do is jack up the body, cut out the old, drop/weld the body on the frame, help him move over the engine/trans/suspension/axle and let him finish the rest... If the engine and transmission mounts unbolt from the frame I should be able to just move them, but my concern is that they may also be rusted...
I know the c4 stayed pretty much the same, but I am not sure if the 2.3 had different mounts or mounting points over the years, so I guess my question really is can I take measurements off the engine and transmission in a cougar or t-bird and be close enough?? Also was the 2.3 engine in a pinto offset to one side or was it centered in the frame??

Drag

phils toys

to answer you question the 2.3 stayed the same  and the mounts bolted to the frameit may be slightly to one side as the mounts i have off are different thickness.sejn ce you were able to rebuild the front susmension  you should be able to get the measurment  for the mounts from the same place it will be 2 hole very near the center of the front wheels.
sorry i did not see this post sooner to respond.if you have more question i will try to help
here is a pic of one i took a part
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tinkerman73

LOL. Cool. Although, my grandfather is 90 and he owns several cars. This includes two metros. He forgot to drain out the motor in one two years ago ( the hard top one, not the convertibel) and he thinks he may have cracked the block. So he has been toying with the idea of putting in a v6 into it. He loves his super beetle, Bradley GT and 67 Mustang Convertible. But kinda wants something faster. His statement is, if he wants to go slow, that is what his 1920 Model T is for. LOL. And yes, he still does all of his own mechanics and welding at 90!
Jody Michielsen

dragnfyr

Im trying to keep the old fart from killing himself (he will be 65) and keep it so he can afford to drive...

Drag

tinkerman73

Well, my mill appears to be centered within the engine bay. Today I should be able to get a chance to get the dimensions you were asking for. I already printed out your guide so I can take that out to the barn with me. Sounds like a great project. Personally, with a full frame and partial firewall built, I would have gone with a big block mill in it! LOL.
Jody Michielsen

dragnfyr

OK, let me rephrase my question/explanation... My brother lives in Florida, near Tampa... I live in Texas... His friend who will be giving him the car lives in North Georgia... He has told my brother that the car is a 75 hatchback, with a 2.3 and c4 transmission, and that the floors and trunk are badly rusted... Otherwise the car is complete and "solid"... I weld and do framework, my brother does not... I will be going to visit in April for his birthday, and will be bringing a car he had me restore for his daughter... He has asked me to build a frame to put the pinto body on, and bring it when I visit in April... I found a 75 hatch in a local pic-n-pull but the motor/transmission mounts and tunnel had been cut out by the previous owner... So I have all the measurements as far as the frame/suspension/body go, but not motor mounts, transmission mount, or body clearances for engine/tranny...  I already built in the front crossmember and added the rear spring mounts, and have created lower firewall, floor, wheel tubs, and trunk panels... 

Basically, what I would like to be able to do is jack up the body, cut out the old, drop/weld the body on the frame, help him move over the engine/trans/suspension/axle and let him finish the rest... If the engine and transmission mounts unbolt from the frame I should be able to just move them, but my concern is that they may also be rusted...
I know the c4 stayed pretty much the same, but I am not sure if the 2.3 had different mounts or mounting points over the years, so I guess my question really is can I take measurements off the engine and transmission in a cougar or t-bird and be close enough?? Also was the 2.3 engine in a pinto offset to one side or was it centered in the frame??

Drag

tinkerman73

Are you making a custom frame for the pinto? I am slightly confused on just what you are doing. However, I do have a spare motor and tranny sitting on blocks in my barn. I could get you the measurements. Thanks.
Jody Michielsen

Reeves1

You are making a crate for the whole car, or just the engine and trans ?

If just the engine/trans, set on a pallet and ratchet strap it on. Ratchet strap into the back of a pick up & go.

or am I missing something......?

dragnfyr

Hello folks, I am still looking for these dimensions... Can anyone help??

Drag

dragnfyr

Hello Folks
Can anyone give me the dimensions of a 2.3L engine and a C4 transmission? What I am looking for are:

http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view&current=enginesize.jpg

A. Lowest point on oil pan to center of crankshaft
B. Lowest point on oil pan to highest point of air cleaner
C. Lowest point on pan to center of motor mount
D. Distance between the centers of the motor mounts
E. Water Pump to center of motor mount
F. Water Pump to front of bell-housing
G. Overall Width left to right
H. Front of bell housing to center of transmission mount
I. Bell housing to center of speedometer connect
J. Bell housing to end of tailshaft 

A friend of my brothers is going to give him a 75 Pinto, and he wants me to make him a frame for it, and deliver it to him when I come for his birthday.. The problem is that neither of us have seen the car, much less been able to get measurements... I have good overall measurements for the length and front/rear suspension placement, just not the rest of the drivetrain... Any help would be greatly appreciated, even pointing me to websites where I can find the info...

Thanks
Drag