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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pintos draw attention

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blupinto

Today, while driving home on freeway 5 north as I was cruising in the #2 lane a young African-American couple in a late model white Cougar yelled for my attention, then (I think) yelled that they love my car. Then they gave me thumbs up and passed me. lol. We were going upwards of 65 mph.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

PSSSH SCION Toaster are so cool! LOL they are cool to make fun of i make fun of my brothers all the time!
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

skunky56

Yeah Santana also , guess what he was driving at the time...give up?   A Scion, I had a good laugh at that. No matter what a Scion will NEVER be Cool!
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78squirewagon

HOLY CRAP, your son was talking to Greg Rollie. He was the original keyboard player for Journey before Steve Perry even came along. He was in Santana as well (Black Magic Woman). That is such a cool story and honestly, I would have had an "accident" right there LOL!!!!
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blupinto

All I can say is... WOW!   :surprised:  I'll appreciate Journey songs that much more!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

skunky56

I know this is an old post but I wanted to share with all of you. This past Sunday my oldest son Austin (who is 25) was fueling my Yellow 72 Runabout. He was in Gardnerville Nv. He was approached buy a guy that said he used to own a 77 and asked what year it was ,my son told him a 72, he said his good friend Steve Perry had one just like it , same color with mustang 10 holes like yours and a "booming" sound system. He asked my son if he knew who the band Journey was, Austin said sure I listen to Journey well then you must know who Steve is . Ahhhh yeah I do, then he said you don't recognize me do you? He winked and smiled and said I like your car it's cool, thanks man see ya.  Austin calls me tells me the story and explains what the guy looked like I said it sounds like it Greg Rolie the keyboard player, he used his hi-tech phone with internet service looked up his picture and said yeah that was the guy.....
Just goes to show even (semi) famous people owned and love Pintos.
That is all....
Paul
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beegle55

Aside from turning heads and answering questions on the car...

I was sitting at a red light one day and a man pulls up in a Ford truck and said "that's a mighty fine Pinto!!" Made me think it was an actual Pinto (horse.) Lol. I was also running errands on day and went to the hardware store when a man approached me with a flyer for a car show as he was the president of our local car club. He said that my car was great and would definitely take home a trophy if I can to the show! Like my grandpa said...people no longer care about new cars...its the old ones that get the attention.

I love my Pinto!!

    -beegle55
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beicholz

Great thread!   I had thought about starting one myself.

I live in a very "upscale" neighborhood with movie stars and people who drive all sorts of ridiculously expensive cars.   I can tell you that without a doubt, my Pinto gets more positive attention than any other car.   Just last night, a guy in a $125,000 BMW pulled up beside me at a light and motioned for me to roll down my window.   I did so, and he said, "Wow!   Way cool car.   I drove one when I was a teenager."   I said, "So did I, and I'm trying to re-live my teenage years".    He laughed and said, "I think you ARE still a teenager!"  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:   I guess he's right!
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Jef_Leppard

Yeah, 20 seems right. The bubble windows got some ooh and ahh too of course.  :amazed:

Been thinking I want to start a blog just to post little videos of people I have Pinto Encounters with. 

Bigtimmay

how young? 20ish? she prolly thought they where gucci or sumthing like that HAHAHAHAHA!
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Jef_Leppard

Was getting into my '77 wagon today and a young-ish girl asked "how did you get those seats in there??"  I was confused and went "huh?"  I drive this thing all the time and forget how alien it looks to people. The seats are red plaid. I told her the seats were made this way in 1977. She just seemed totally amazed.

blupinto

HA! I happen to KNOW you're crazy!  :lol: :lol: :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Starsky and Hutch

Had a lady looking while she was driving,, and she went up on the curb with all four wheels and clipped a telephone pole.. i just shook my head,,,, and Becky thought i was crazy!!!!!
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Starsky and Hutch

I have found out ,,,that native Indians like pintos ,,,but drive fast the female`s will chase you
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blupinto

 Ahhh from the mouths of babes... :laugh:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I was picking up my step daughter from school (first grade) a couple days ago, in the Pinto, and a kid (also in first grade) yells out at the top of his lungs "SWEET RIDE DUDE!" while waving! :D
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Monday I went to the pet store in town and on the way home stopped at a 76 station for gas. After I fueled up and added the lead substitute in the tank I got in and while I was fastening my seat belts (the '71 has the two-part seatbelt system) this charcoal-gray Ford F150 pulls around me... and I'm giving him the stinkeye because he's AWFULLY CLOSE to scraping my red baby! I proceed to grumble to myself and finish the Great Seatbelt Saga and when I look up I see the truck's driver taking pictures unabashedly of me and my Ruby. He used a BlackBerry-looking thing to do it. He was pickin' and grinnin'. I couldn't stay too mad at him after that! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

LOL! Same here! Except it's been at Costco and AAA office when I was registering Ruby RedHot! The t-shirt started a dialogue of "my first car was a Pinto" stories! lol.  Thank you Old Navy! lol!
One can never have too many Pintos!

flash041

I did not even have to be driving my Pinto to get attention, I just wore my Old Navy Pinto shirt! I wore it on my way back from my southwest trip on the road and plane , got smiles along with a few"Pinto stories".
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mikerich1972

 Just for the record, our 1976 wagon will be cruising in a well-attended show this June in Richland, Washington! We won't be showing it just yet, as it's really not show quality. But, we WILL cruise it in the Friday night cruise, along with at least 500 other hot rods!

We gotta keep the old ones on the road!!!!   :smile:
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dave1987

Everytime I'm in the parts stores and people come in behind me they are talking about the Pinto, little do they know that I, being a youngster 22 year old, drive it. They always seem surprised that someone so young has such interest in such an old car, much less it being a Pinto.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78txpony

Interesting thread...
Since my Pinto is a daily driver in cool weather, I usually don't look for those noticing.
However, this one following incident yesterday was obvious...

I was first in line at a stoplight waiting to turn left and a middle age blond in a newer Porsche stared at my car and she drove the cross street.  I mean up to a full 100* neck twist like an owl - I saw her clearly.

It proves that the Pinto DOES turn heads! 
-Rob Young
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blupinto

Quote from: Starsky and Hutch on March 26, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
you will even have cops doing the head spin i sure do


LOL! A while ago I was driving west on HWY 76 near my home and an Oceanside Police Officer spotted Meanie... I swear he smiled!

Yesterday I went to put my pittance of a state tax refund in my checking account and TWO different guys stopped at the same time (we were on foot in the parking lot) and made very nice comments. One even invited me to lunch! lol. I guess they liked Ruby RedHot!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Starsky and Hutch

you will even have cops doing the head spin i sure do
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Bigtimmay

Ive driven/owned alot of cars/trucks that draw lots off attention. my 68 gmc shortbed draws lots of attention,so did the 86 mazda truck i had that layed frame with air ride,but out of all them id have to say the biggest attention getter ive had so far would be my 85 chevy (actually sold it to buy my bobcat) it had 12 inchs of lift and would clear 40 inch tires and had a built 327 it would roll a set of boggers all day even did a few 4wheel drive smokey burnouts it was a mean truck. Im really hoping my bobcat gets more attetion then that truck and im betting once im done with it it will. I see a silver bobcat with a 300+hp 2.3t under the hood sittin on some draglites gettin alot of attetion. LOL just seeing it in my head makes me just wanna drool.  :lol:
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Starsky and Hutch

Quote from: blupinto on March 23, 2010, 05:27:08 PM
Yesterday morning I was driving my green wagon to the bank (guess what for? lol) and some guy pulled up beside me and said he loved my Pinto. Then he said, "you probably have the only wagon in California."  I told him no, there's a lady in Sacramento that has at least four! lol. When the light turned we parted ways, but it brought a smile to my face. :D



When i go to the bank they call me pinto guy and they say ,,,,like your car,,, seen you go by yesterday
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75bobcatv6

The other day I found a business card on my car. Called the guy he said He was lookin to buy one, asked if mine was for Sale, I said no but I knew of one. (hope hes called fred lol) but Hes lookin for one to make a sedan delivery one out of like he had back in 73. Thought it was nice to meet another pinto/bobcat lover out there. (this guy has a lot of nice restored cars)

Shane198three

Ok, so I haven't driven my pinto in over 2 years... I have a trip permit today to get it smogged.. sadly failed the presmog... I pull into a Vons/Safeway gas station and there is a guy hootin, and hollerin across the parking lot... He gets my attention and yells nice car... I miss the days of driving my pinto... Always get looks... I forgot what it was like...

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on March 23, 2010, 05:27:08 PM
Yesterday morning I was driving my green wagon to the bank (guess what for? lol) and some guy pulled up beside me and said he loved my Pinto. Then he said, "you probably have the only wagon in California."  I told him no, there's a lady in Sacramento that has at least four! lol. When the light turned we parted ways, but it brought a smile to my face. :D

I'm willing to be that "smile" was more like an ear-to-ear grin!!!

Dwayne (smiling right along with you!) :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Yesterday morning I was driving my green wagon to the bank (guess what for? lol) and some guy pulled up beside me and said he loved my Pinto. Then he said, "you probably have the only wagon in California."  I told him no, there's a lady in Sacramento that has at least four! lol. When the light turned we parted ways, but it brought a smile to my face. :D
One can never have too many Pintos!