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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dave1987

Rob, while reading through your reply I couldn't help to think about the differences in my Pintos (and all other classic cars for that matter) and my saturn ion (and all other modern cars). Now I finally can explain why I LOVE to drive my Pintos! They have character, just like me! :D

Is it just me or are we getting off topic? :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: 78txpony on April 22, 2010, 08:40:34 PM
Blu,  Note that I said "fit in" and not 'look like' or 'look better'.
When i was younger, i hated any rounded car.  I loved the square 78 T-birds and early 80s Delta 88s and Cutlasses. 

As i got more used to the modern crap back in the 90s, the Pinto fit in a bit due to its rounded back and did not look so different and 'old'. 
Now days, I agree with you 100% - the Pinto does look better.  It is rounded but NOT a bubble. 
I like rain gutters, sealed beam headlights, chrome door handles that stick out, windows that are in-set, side trim, real metal bumpers, different color parts, etc. It gives character, though some give some wind noise...
I do not like euro headlights and everything so flush.  Most everything now days is too monochromatic and plain, much like a shiney Easter egg. 

I do like the look of my Pinto - so much I would have to say its cute......
I feel it has more class than any new car in its class, just because it is old and different, and stands out from the crowd.  It has proven Ford's point on "economical to operate"!
The cost to repair a geo metro costs about 250% more than the Pinto.  Rockauto has a calculator to figure that...

Well said, Rob!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78txpony

Blu,  Note that I said "fit in" and not 'look like' or 'look better'.
When i was younger, i hated any rounded car.  I loved the square 78 T-birds and early 80s Delta 88s and Cutlasses. 

As i got more used to the modern crap back in the 90s, the Pinto fit in a bit due to its rounded back and did not look so different and 'old'. 
Now days, I agree with you 100% - the Pinto does look better.  It is rounded but NOT a bubble. 
I like rain gutters, sealed beam headlights, chrome door handles that stick out, windows that are in-set, side trim, real metal bumpers, different color parts, etc. It gives character, though some give some wind noise...
I do not like euro headlights and everything so flush.  Most everything now days is too monochromatic and plain, much like a shiney Easter egg. 

I do like the look of my Pinto - so much I would have to say its cute......
I feel it has more class than any new car in its class, just because it is old and different, and stands out from the crowd.  It has proven Ford's point on "economical to operate"!
The cost to repair a geo metro costs about 250% more than the Pinto.  Rockauto has a calculator to figure that...
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

blupinto

Rob, I have to disagree... IMO the Pintos look WAY better than today's eurobubbles! I do think they kind of fit in with today's cars, but I look at a modern car and its lines... then I look at my Pinto's lines... and my Pinto is more appealing in my eyes,  because it has style than no computer made. Even my Rodeo has style... but the bodystyle changed a tear or two after mine was born... :-\   Huh... Rob, maybe I don't even know what I'm talking about... maybe I didn't disagree with you... ???
One can never have too many Pintos!

78txpony

Before the late 80's car styles changed drastically.  Many and most before the mid 80's were VERY attractive and distictive.   During the mid 80's and beyond,  manufacturers were forced to raise mpg and one big factor was aerodynamics. By being able to use smaller motors in the same size car, this worked.  The eurobubble designs came and will most likely never leave.  This limits the different designs that can be built and restricted free styling of a car's exterior.   Therefore, most look the same and a kia can look shockingly similar to a mercedes at a distance.  Take off the badges and let others wonder!  Trucks & suvs are heading that way, too due to tighting mpgs on them too. 
The 57 Chevy shoebox is a GREAT looking car, but has all the aerodynamics of a brick.
It might roast its tires effortlessly, but top speed and economy was limited by wind drag. 

Another limited styling issue is the ability to form plastic so easily and cheaply to save weight.  Metal bumpers had to be replaced with plastic and styrofoam!  Trucks even have plastic bumpers now (no longer worthy of their name, as you cannot bump anything with them anymore without tearing the paint off!)   

The extra weight of more and more safety features, emission controls, and needless doo-dads requires that more weight be saved from other areas.  I see this never reversing either. 

The Pinto has that bubble shape that I disliked long ago, but makes it fit in with the modern bubbles.  Of course those mileage robbing headlights are now taboo! 



-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

popbumper

I like this thread, the poster really has a great story, and it brings up alot of interesting points.

As a manufacturing engineer, I see the changes in automotive evolution in a different light: technology. Fact is, back in the 50's and 60's, cars for any particular model year were actually designed several years BEFORE their release (ex: the 1955 Chevy was on the drawing board at least three years before it came out). Why? The technology of the time did not allow for rapid prototyping, so the process for capturing drawings and developing machine tools to build parts was done primarily BY HAND - meaning many, many people taking thousands of man hours across several years.

Take into account as well, the idea of car design. "Stylists" at the time like Harley Earl (again, Chevrolet), had to "imagine" what the public would embrace from a design perspective, and once a design was chosen, a manufacturer really had to "hope" the public would embrace it. Think of all the "bad examples" of poor design cues from Chrysler, Edsel, etc. Much of the uniqueness of early car design was because of the unique designers that inspired them. I am sure the designers had no idea some of their cars would be so hated, but they had to take a chance.

As technology "caught up", the 1980's saw more and more use of computers - however slow at first (but industry ALWAYS embraces technology before consumers), which allowed the man hours to drop significantly. No longer did you need to have large groups of men with mechanical drawing boards, hoardes of paper scrolls, and lots of "hand translation" of tooling. Nowadays, especially, all of the work is done within the computer, where 3d images are easily and quickly transferred electronically to machines that cut and shape parts, with less waste and better efficiency.

Todays' cars are generally designed by "committee", where public opinion polls and data drive design, NOT the clever ingenuity of crafted designers. THis is why they change little, and are more "boring" than their early counterparts. The most effective way to keep profits up is to build universal platforms, make small changes, and not "reinvent the wheel". Look what happened when Chevrolet changed the awesome, forever inspiring '57 Chevy into the '58 model BOAT with gaudy chrome and excess design. Can you imagine the amount of time and money that went into that change? Good thing the '59 model year was better  :P.

Cars no longer define eras, they "fit in" - which is why old cars are collectable. They take us back to a "better time". They reflect crafty designers, and pride in manufacturing. Today's vehicles are watered down, mass produced, machine built, generic. Aside from a handful of automobiles, the year 2050 will not find many of todays young people wanting to restore vehicles from the 1990's on up.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

larjohnson

I think the reason cars stay looking so new today is, and as already stated.  There is basically minimal changes in their appearance now from year to year.  It's funny, I had a 1999 Ford Mustang and until 2005, there was minimal change.  I can't just look at a Mustang now and tell you the year.  When I was growing up in the 70's, you could just look at a car and belt out the year without any kind of forethought at all. That was because each year, there was a significant change in the car's appearance.   I can still go to car shows and point cars out to my kids and tell them the years, and they think that's amazing.  I recall when I was younger, back in the late 60's and early 70's, there was a local Ford dealer in my neighborhood.  My Dad would take my brothers and I there at the beginning of each new model year.  At that time, prior to their release, the cars had to be stored inside and covered.  The dealer would remove the covers for us so we could get a preview of the new model year, prior to their release.  He would then take us to his office and give each of us a Ford Promo car of our choice.  This was a great time for us boys...and something I'll always remember doing with my Dad.   Gee....I'm really ready for a car show....I miss my early years.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Great story! I can't wait to hear more! :D

My 78 Sedan seems to fit in better than the 73 wagon does. Just don't see wagons made by any companies anymore except for Volkswagon and maybe Subaru. Other than that, not many cars have a "station wagon" appearance anymore.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

You make an interesting point about the ageless appearance of today's cars.  The automobile, in general, evolved through some very distinct styles from the 1920's on up through the 1960's.  Then, about 1970, something happened... the metamorphosis slowed a bit.  Cars looked newer longer.  In the next decade, minivans and the "upscaling" of trucks paved the way for the SUV's and crossover vehicles of today.  You're right; my 12-year-old Durango fits in wherever I go today, whereas a 12-year-old vehicle when I got my driver's license 37 years ago looked ancient and totally out of style.   I can't help but ponder whether this may have helped contribute to the decline of the automotive industry - without obvious planned obsolescence, customers had less reason to replace their aging vehicles.  Just a thought...

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

mcjbob

Looking back, way back.  My most recent Pinto has really gotten me to think about cars I have owned, and those of friends and neighbors. This may be a long read, so lets see where this goes.

During my growing up years, my father had a 30 Model A Ford 4 door, and our neighbors had a 31 Model A Tudor and 37 Packard Roadster.  They were not car collectors, these were work cars and they were just poor folk. Growing up with Model A Fords, being in and around them just stuck with me.

When I was in the Army, we were often called for mutual aid to assist a local fire agency, and one major fire was a warehouse filled with cars.  The warehouse was a gonner, but there was time to salvage most of the cars inside.  One car I remember to this day, and would later turn out to be significant, was a Model A Pickup we rescued.

After the Army and after college I was at work one day, still thinking about the A PU I helped rescue, reading the want ads, came across a 29 Model A Ford Pickup.  That evening, it followed me home in tow behind my brothers 55 Chevy Stepside. This was 1967, and the Model A was all of 38 years old, a really old car at the time. Today, a 38 year old car is a 1972.  What I always wonder, does a 1972 Pinto look as old today to folk as that 1929 Model A looked to me back then?  Right now, 2010, Pintos are about the same age as Model A's in my day.

In high school, I had a 10 year old 53 Chevy, and in 1963, it was an OLD car.  My daily driver now is a 99 Alero and its 11 years old, a year older than my 53 in was 63. To me it looks like a new car?  What happened?  Have cars stopped aging?  I sure have not!

Back to Pintos.  In 1973, with two young kids and a Mrs, time for my very first family car. My days of Corvettes and Novas were over (well for a little while anyway). In 1973, the Pinto wagon was in its second year, and I really liked how they looked and drove.  It was really a fun car, and we went for a 73 Squire over a Vega Kamback wagon. Was that ever a smart move!!!!!. Once we opted for the Pinto, next came finding one we liked. 

My wife is a real car gal I met while I was working for the Sports Car Club Of American, and she could really drive. She liked hot guys who could drive, and had a hot car (I guess I qualified for two fo the three). She had a 59 Plymouth station wagon, could really wheel that tank around. No automatic for her or me, so that really limited our choices of Pintos on dealer lots. . Most non Squires we saw were sticks, and most  Squires were automatics.  I sure wish I had taken photos of the dealer lots we looked at, probably 10 different dealers here in Northern California.  Can you guys (and gals) imagine a dealer lot with 25+ Pinto station wagons, 1/2 of them Squires, and another 50 to 100 trunk and hatches?  I was in heaven and did not even know it.  Where is Mr. Peabodys Way Back Machine when I really need it!

For our Pinto number one, it had to be a Squire, a 4 speed, with air and no roof rack.  Well, not one existed in dealer inventory in any color at the time, so we ended up as a factory order.  We then had to make a decision as to color, and after another week looking at Squires, chose lime green metallic.

About six weeks later we took delivery of our 73 Pinto Squire, lime green metallic, 4 speed, air, w/w's, am/fm, rear window defroster, no roof rack, all vinyl interior, and convenience light group.   

That Pinto served our family well, and many years and 160,000 miles later, it went to a new home. We were Pinto-less for the first time in years, and missed it from day one.

That is our story of Pinto number one. I'll continue later with #2 and #3.


...to be continued.

74 Squire, 3rd owner, 136,000 miles
77 Squire, 3rd owner, 26,000 miles
63 Vette Roadster, 1st owner, 380,000 miles
61 Bonneville 2dr hardtop, 3rd owner, 61,000 miles
78 Ferrari 308 GTS, 2nd owner, 40,000 miles
29 Model A Ford Roadster Pu, 2nd owner, mileage unknown