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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Shagon Wagon" The 73 Pinto Wagon!!

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pintogirl

Quote from: robbieo11 on March 07, 2010, 06:51:17 PM
gotta ?? can u use an explorer headliner??? it is molded and rigid but flexable it is one peice and no steel support bows  undo the top trim and pop the headliner in

I wouldn''t know the answer to that! Maybe someone else will know! Sounds like something to check out though!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

robbieo11

gotta ?? can u use an explorer headliner??? it is molded and rigid but flexable it is one peice and no steel support bows  undo the top trim and pop the headliner in 

pintogirl

Wow, look, finally an update on Shaggy!!! LOL

Yesterday hubby made some shelving units to store Pinto stuff that needed to be in a warmer atmosphere then what it is in the Pinto shed!! So today we put the door panels and some of the seats up on the shelves. In order to do that though, we had to move Shaggy out of his space. Then after we did it, we had to clean up the space. That gave me the perfect opportunity to have hubby help me R&R Shaggy's rear hatch!!

Now Shaggy is sporting a 77 Defrost style window, hatch!!!  ;D ;D





Here is the storage shelf!! Above the shelf is 2 smaller shelves for the door panels!!!




Not much of an update, but at least we got one more step closer to painting!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Well I have some possible good news, and possible bad news. Let's start with the bad. Bad news is, I may be getting rid of my brown sedan (the real brown one, not the Ghost). I will take the molding, bumpers, grille, and interior out of her before she goes though. The guy only wants a shell, doesn't even want the running gear. I am having a hard time with this though. I really hate to get rid of one of my sedans. They are may favorite, and even though I get to keep all the good stuff off of her, I will hate to see her go.

The good news is, the guy that wants this sedan shell, will do the body work and paint on my Shaggie!!!! So I am hoping that I can get the Pinto stripped of the stuff I want to keep, and Shaggie sent off to this guy's shop, but sometime in the middle of this month, or beginning of Dec. That is my plans anyway. I always figure these things out on how I want them to work, and Bob throws a kink into it! LOL

I have another delima now! LOL Since I got the brown wagon (see Wagons Ho thread), I'm not sure what I want to do with the interior of Shaggie now!! Shaggie was originally tan inside. We were going to paint her the same green as her outside, then use different color panels and seats for the accents. Those interior colors would also be the color we would paint the "woodgrain" area of the outside.  Well, the brown wagon has an almost perfect tan headliner, perfect door panels, and really decent seats. Bad thing is, they are all tan! LOL  I just don't think tan would look good as the "woodgrain" color on top of the green that the car is. I think what I am going to do is still paint the inside the same color as the outside, paint the woodgrain a darker green, then paint the molding for the squire a lime green. I think just the tan seats, panels and headliner will still set off the inside, but yet the outside will still look good in all greens.

I wish I was more computer literate when it comes to photoshop. I would love to take a side shot of a wagon, and be able to change the woodgrain area color and the molding color on it. That way I could kind of see what my color green car would look like with different color woodgrain areas!!  ;D ;D Anyone know how to do this sort of thing??  ;D
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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larjohnson

Kim...I love Shaggy....WOW!!! and I thought I had a job restoring my 1971 I got off of Reed.  I seen nothing like that!!!!!  The color is fantastic, my wife and I had a 1975 Pinto Squire wagon the same color, back in the late 70s.  Good luck on your restoration, the car is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!  BTW...I still have a green dash sitting in my garage, it's pretty much stripped, no glove box cover, ash tray, etc.  But the dash is in good shape.  I know you hate to think of the VIN Change and such, but it's there if you want it.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on October 14, 2009, 09:53:42 PM
maybe I'm glad I kept my Pinto!

Keep at it Kim! We're all cheering for you! :laugh:

:afro:

I know I'm glad you kept your Pinto!!!  ;D It's a nice car!!!

Thanks for the cheer!!!  ;D ;D Nice to see you online!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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discolives78

maybe I'm glad I kept my Pinto!

Keep at it Kim! We're all cheering for you! :laugh:

:afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on October 04, 2009, 11:49:48 PM
Boy! His (or her?!) green paint really glows in those last pix. I'm loving that color more ands more... Kimmy, what is Shaggy's code for the color?

Yah, I really like the color too!!! I'm not sure what the code is. I will have try to find out tomorrow!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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blupinto

Boy! His (or her?!) green paint really glows in those last pix. I'm loving that color more ands more... Kimmy, what is Shaggy's code for the color?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Well, thanks to Fred, I have made a lot of progress on Shaggy!!!! He is here visiting so what better thing to do, but to work on the Pinto!!!  ;D ;D

Today Fred and I got the dash pulled!!





Then he told me how to take the clutch pedal and brake pedal out! So I took them out and installed the automatic brake pedal!! So I am now and automatic car instead of a stick!!  ;D ;D

Then I pulled the heater box





I set the a/c heater box next to the non a/c one and for a while there we thought it wasn't going to work!  We decided that I should make a template to see if any of the bolts would line up and to see if the a/c part would stick through the fire wall. So I got some cardboard and made the template and with that I was able to determine that 2 of the bolts looked to be in the same spot and the a/c part would fit through the old heater box fan hole. So I made marks on the car to drill the 3rd bolt hole, and the heater hose holes. Then I went to work drilling. Got the holes done and tried to install the a/c box. No go. So with further inspection we decided I needed to make my holes a bit bigger, even if it meant I had to use bigger washers to bolt it on! So that is what I did, and with some pushing and prodding, we got the 76' a/c heater box to fit in a 73' Pinto wagon!!

Hey, that's not Fred!!!!



How do you install an a/c unit?? Use a hydrolic jack!!!!! LOL







So Shaggy got his brake pedal R&R'd, then dash removed and the heater box R&R'd. So now the next step for me will be to finish cleaning the windshield goop off the pinch weld of the car and also off the dash. Then I will remove all the stuff out of the dash in preparation for the paint job!

Shaggy is coming along nicely!!!!  ;D ;D

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

Woohoo! Looks familiar, with the windshield out. Enjoy the dash removal, it's plenty 'o fun once you get under there. Take a look at my project thread here in the near future to see this stuff going back together. I actually went home at lunch today and reinstalled my restored vent assembly and firewall plate to hold the power brake booster. I have to reinstall my repainted (yeah, I'm a NUT) windshield wiper motor tonight.

Have a good time, I'll be curious to follow your progress. Thanks for sharing. I love taking these cars apart!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

Look what happened over last weekend!!!!!



Yep, Shaggy made it inside the garage!!!!



I already took the windshield out and finished takeing some of the dash components out. Now I just need to remove the dash and the heater core box. Then we can see how the new/used a/c heater box fits. I will take pics and update as we go!! I hope to do a lot of this work this up coming week! I had one week of vacation left and had to take it before mid Oct., so I only have 3 days till vacation!!!  ;D Then after mid Oct. my vacations start all over and I gain one more week for a total of 5 weeks a year!!!! Yippeee!!  ;D ;D Anyway, I will update on the progress!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

falconwagon62

Good job! I hope upur project moves along faster than mine, took almost 3 years to get mine done! DON'T pay the bodyman ahead of time.... :lol: :lol:

You'll love driving it, I do mine!! I plan on driving my to the Cars and Parts Swap meet in Springfield, Ohio FRIDAY...on the look out for Pinto/Falcon and other hot rod parts...

John
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pintogirl

Yippeeee, I finally got my wagon back home!! Now it is mine and will always be mine!!! LOL 

I got right to work on it. I took the grille off (to not break it trying to put a motor in) and took the hood off. Then I decided to try the cruisin panels on for size!  ;D  Wish I would have decided to do that first because then the pics would have been better! No hood kinda takes away from the overall look!!

Here she is with panels!!











It was hard to get decent pics. The day was wearing down and the driveway is a bit packed! Can't wait for the kid and his girlfriend to find a house!! LOL

The panels are just vice gripped in for now, I will probably jam the windows then hang the panels on for painting!

Depending on how I feel after work tomorrow, I will most likely start taking the heater box out from under the dash!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Shaggy comes home tomorrow!!!!

I plan on hanging the cruiser panels on her to see what she looks like with them on her!!! I will take pics of course!! LOL

I'm going to try to pull the heater box out of her with out removing the dash. Then putting the a/c one back in. Think it is possible?? If not, I will be removing the dash insted! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Today I finally started to tear into the motor that we are wanting to put in the Shagon Wagon.

So far it has gone from this,



To this,





I figured I would stop there for now, till hubby came home from work. That way I don't take to much off. I'm not sure what all he wants off!! I know his plan is to do a test fit into the wagon, once it comes home! I think once we know for sure if this set up will work or not, we will re build the motor! Then I can paint it and give more before and after pics!  ;D ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

That was saved over 2 months. I worked alot of extra hours to get that money together. will take me till after the new year to get again. (holidays zoop)

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on September 01, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
awesome. thats great that its working out for you . im really glad about that. Sucks for me atm that money i had aside for the bobcat from fred had to go into the Sable to get it fixed. 6 Fuel injectors, a fuel filter, new plugs/wires and oil change What a month this has beem..  :'(

Man what a bummer. Good thing is, Fred will be gone for another month or so!! You may be able to re-save the money back up before he gets home!!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

awesome. thats great that its working out for you . im really glad about that. Sucks for me atm that money i had aside for the bobcat from fred had to go into the Sable to get it fixed. 6 Fuel injectors, a fuel filter, new plugs/wires and oil change What a month this has beem..  :'(

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on September 01, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
what do you mean by bring her home on the 8th? thought she was already there or are you meaning the title?

She is at the facility that lien saled her for me! Hubby's work! LOL So I can go look at her all I want! LOL
Kim
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75bobcatv6

what do you mean by bring her home on the 8th? thought she was already there or are you meaning the title?

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on August 31, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
sorry it turned out that way kim. but its a nice car

Actually, it hasn't really been all that hard, just time consuming. Meaning I have to WAIT for it to clear lien sale! LOL Waiting is no my fortay! LOL 

I get to bring her home on the 8th!!! So a week from today!

So, here I am waiting!  :( LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Quote from: Wittsend on August 31, 2009, 09:49:51 PM
>>>Once I get the Pinto Hauler done, I am placeing an ad letting people know that I will pay what PnP offers them or a bit more for their Pintos!<<<

It sounds like you need your own Reality TV show:
"18 Pintos and Counting"(Each family member is assigned jurisdictions to keep Pintos running)

"Kim & Hubby plus 8 " (Pinto's with rotted floorboards are powered with 16 childrens feet)

"Kim, The Pinto Hunter" ("Tracking" Pintos,Hubby, not Beth is the sidekick)

"American Pinto" (Disfunctional family hammers metal into Pinto's)

"The Little Car" (A story of Pintos in a SUV world)

"Pinto Ladder" (about restoring Pinto's for resale)

"Survivor car" (where you hunt Pick N Pull until you can assemble a running Pinto)

"What not to drive" (a tongue in cheek show about the "Dangers" of driving a Pinto)

"Pinto Whisperer" (solves quirky Pinto problems)

;D  Tom


How about Big Pinto Love, or Is Eight Pintos Enough? or Click and Clack With Pintos In The Back, or... :lol:

on another note, I wish you got a picture or two of the MPG. Interior/exterior color(s)? (you know where I'm going with this.)
JuJu sent.  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Quote from: pintogirl on August 31, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
Ok, I just ordered this plate for Shaggy!!! It was the closest I could get to her name!!  ;D

;D ;D ;D

When I first started playing with plates on dmv's site a couple days ago, I could get Shaggee. It was gone today.

Now I just wait 8 - 12 weeks! LOL Maybe by then I will have her registered!!  :hypno: :lol: ;D  Yah, sad to say, still working on paperwork. This is the last time I buy a car with no pink!!! :-\
sorry it turned out that way kim. but its a nice car

pintogirl

Kim
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Wittsend

>>>Once I get the Pinto Hauler done, I am placeing an ad letting people know that I will pay what PnP offers them or a bit more for their Pintos!<<<

It sounds like you need your own Reality TV show:
"18 Pintos and Counting"(Each family member is assigned jurisdictions to keep Pintos running)

"Kim & Hubby plus 8 " (Pinto's with rotted floorboards are powered with 16 childrens feet)

"Kim, The Pinto Hunter" ("Tracking" Pintos,Hubby, not Beth is the sidekick)

"American Pinto" (Disfunctional family hammers metal into Pinto's)

"The Little Car" (A story of Pintos in a SUV world)

"Pinto Ladder" (about restoring Pinto's for resale)

"Survivor car" (where you hunt Pick N Pull until you can assemble a running Pinto)

"What not to drive" (a tongue in cheek show about the "Dangers" of driving a Pinto)

"Pinto Whisperer" (solves quirky Pinto problems)

;D  Tom

pintogirl

Ok, I just ordered this plate for Shaggy!!! It was the closest I could get to her name!!  ;D

;D ;D ;D

When I first started playing with plates on dmv's site a couple days ago, I could get Shaggee. It was gone today.

Now I just wait 8 - 12 weeks! LOL Maybe by then I will have her registered!!  :hypno: :lol: ;D  Yah, sad to say, still working on paperwork. This is the last time I buy a car with no pink!!! :-\
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on August 30, 2009, 11:14:44 PM
When you wrote..."...found an a/c Pinto.", Does that mean you have added another rubber-shoed herd member or is this poor Pinto soul in the junkyard awaiting the inevitable? Do tell!  ;D

Ok, I wasn't going to mention it, but, no I don't have the Pinto. It is in a junk yard. I am hoping everything will still be there come next weekend. They have half off prices do to the holiday!!!! So cross your fingers and send juju that no one else gets the stuff before I do!!

It is really sad. This car is an MPG car. First one I have ever seen in person. It is in really good shape with all parts still intact. Well, except for the parts we snagged today. LOL I grabbed the headlight doors and the horn button! LOL I have a thing for the round horn buttons!  ;D 

Once I get the Pinto Hauler done, I am placeing an ad letting people know that I will pay what PnP offers them or a bit more for their Pintos! I couldn't believe it when I saw this car out there today! Not a bad looking car at all! It could have been easily restored. What a shame! If I would have ended up with it, I wouldn't even have scrapped it. That is how good it was! Oh well, hopefully I can salveage the stuff I need for Shaggy, so it will live on in her!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

When you wrote..."...found an a/c Pinto.", Does that mean you have added another rubber-shoed herd member or is this poor Pinto soul in the junkyard awaiting the inevitable? Do tell!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

This is just a "thinking about" update!! LOL

I may have found a factory a/c Pinto. If all goes right I will hopefully be getting all the a/c stuff out of it soon. If that does happen I plan on putting it in Shaggie. That means the dash in Shaggie will have to come down. IF that happens I am "thinking about" (lol) pulling everything out of the dash and repainting it the "correct" way. I was just going to shoot it right in place, I didn't want to mess with taking all the wiring and all out. I'm not the best at remembering where things go.

If this does in fact happen, I plan on taking ALOT of pics. To remind me later on how things looked before I took them out! LOL

So, it is looking like Shaggie will be down for a while. I was planning on just running her the way she was for a while, but looks like she will be restored a bit better then expected and will take a while to do. Good in a way and really bad in a way, for someone that has the patients of a flea!! LOL I REALLY want to drive her!!! Good things come to those who wait! Right! LOL

I will be taking pics and updating as we go, may even be able to submit some to the magazine!! I am hoping hubby will stick with this and not let it go on a back burner. One of the reasons I didn't want to submit anything to the Mag. !!  I will keep you all posted!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA