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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Wittsend

A picture of my '73 wagon with stock '88 T/C 16" wheels. The 2.0 with an Auto was bog enough. With the 225-60-16" is was even more bog. Note the car had 3.40 gears (6-3/4" rear).

  Frankly I think the "flatness" and seemimg negative offset of the T/C wheels does't work with the curves of the Pinto body.

In the sidebar picture are aftermarket 225-60-15" I bought.  At this point I'm actually running 13" Mustang II wheels (no picture).  I like the look of the Mustang II wheels, but the 13" seem a bit small, especially for the large rear wheel wells.

I did the Turbo 2.3 swap with a T-5 and 3.00, 8".  Sadly this combo seems to scream for 3.25 gears when factoring in power and mileage. Unfortunately Ford only offered 3.00. 3.40 and 3.55 (In the Mustang II).  I was told they had a 3.25, 8" but it was a rare car/year combination (60's something Torino) not likely to be found.  When I found my rear I had a choice of 3.00 or 3.55.  Excluding the 3.25 as an expensive aftermarket setup I think I would have opted for 3.40 if I had a second chance.

Anyway, remember CHANGEING TIRE SIZE IS EQUAL TO CHANGING THE REAR END RATIO - FACTOR EVERYTHING IN. Not just gears, Not just tires.  As they say, "Do the Math!"
Tom

Pale Roader

Rebolting73... those ARE Mustang rims... and dude, that looks SOOOOO much better than stock. I was actually looking for some cheap Mustang 15" aluminum rims (the same ones you have) when i found my 17"s and bought them instead.

Pale Roader

Quote from: taganov on October 21, 2009, 08:58:51 PM
Would you be willing to post a few pictures of your car with the 17's?  I'm curious what this looks like. I like the look of tires with narrow profiles on modern cars, but I wonder how this would play out on a vintage Pinto.

Also, I wonder about overall diameter of your tire+wheel combo compared to stock. My research suggests the stock size B78-13 converts to about 175/75-13 which is about 23.3" overall diameter.  Your 235/40-17's work out to about 24.4" or an inch in diameter over stock.  Have you calculated the effect on the speedometer, or noticed any obvious difference in acceleration?

Hah! Difference in acceleration...?.?? I hope you're not serious. This wreck has (HAD...) 88HP, and highway gears. I was told the MPG 4-spd is also an overdrive (not sure). As it stands its probably about a 35-second car... right up there with 50's VW buses missing a spark-plug. Even if i did notice a difference, even if it was a BIG difference, i would not... NOT NOT NOT... even to drive down the road, drive this thing with stock rollers. The stock size rims are about the right size for a medium-sized wheelbarrow. I dont believe in using 14" rims on anything except maybe an old Mini (which i would never drive anyways). 15" minimum, and widest possible modern rubber minimum. Trust me man... put stock size rollers on a Pinto and its just a pinto... a car that everyone makes jokes about. Put 17"s or something otherwise cool on it and suddenly everyone wants to know what the hell it is...

I will say this, the stock shite i took off was considerably lighter than the 17" stock i have on now... and my aftermarket 17" are actually on the lighter side. They weigh noticeably less than stock Mustang 17x8" rims (and way less than knock-off Mustang rims). I know tires better than most, and i weigh everything (except these ov course...). I'd guess that the combo weighs about 10lbs more per corner than stock. But thats the price you pay for tires that actually work. My Pinto NEVER loses traction...

And sorry, but no pics yet. The rear offset is disgusting looking, and i need to fix it. The rear tires sit in a good 4" from the lips, and i'd like to see them about flush or even 1/4" out. I was ready to buy hub-adapters for this but now i'm thinking about replacing the whole rear diff with a Cobra 8.8". That way i can have 4 wheel discs and drive even faster than i already do... But the research on that topic has just begun.

EDIT: and whats with the 'zoop' on this forum... all i said was 'zoop'...

taganov

I've been searching too through the threads and haven't gotten a clear picture of the stock setup. I contemplated an eBay auction recently for very similar wheels to yours (15" Mustang version) but couldn't pull the switch. I like the look in your photo other than the tires being way too big. Kinda looks like a Matchbox version.

All it would take really is for someone to pull off a stock wheel and take some measurements. Anyone? My '72 has what were described as factory alloys but I'm not sure that they are, so I can't do this. No spare with the car, either  :(.

Rebolting73


I have not tried Mustang rims, but have put on the wheels from my donor 87TC. They fit, looked a bit foolish and rubbed in the rear when cornering. They went down the freeway pretty well :-) I am replacing the wheels I have which are beat up old 13" Ansons that have way too much negative offset and after a couple tries at getting them balanced they shake and bounce.  The sources I have used indicate a 10mm negative offset on a 5.5 " rim is the stock setup. Have looked thru threads and not really got that detail pinned down. I want the car to go smoothly and corner fairly well and am thinking about going with a 14x6 with a slight negative offset. I was looking at Pacer 320C-4625 (look like Quick Tricks) that have about 3mm negative offset, so the backspace would be 3.38.  If someone has charted out what works best and where the trade offs begin I would be grateful for the information.
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russosborne

The original Mustangs (1964.5-1973) 4 lug had the 4X4.5 pattern. The Fox body Mustangs all all the same pattern as the Pinto, from what I have been able to find out.
In the past(1980's) there were problems with parts books listing all Mustangs as having the older 4X4.5 pattern. Dont' know if that is still going on or not?
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boggs77wgn

So basically,can i run any wheel off of a Fox body Mustang?Providing the offset is the same.Because my tire guy told me that the Mustang has a 4 on 4.5 bolt pattern and my 77 wagon has a 4 on 4.25 bolt pattern.Any thoughts or comments? 

smallfryefarm

if you know your stock diameter, then play with this it should help. speedo #s shows up under the tires,
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

it shows 4.2% slow at 60 or 2.5 mph
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

taganov

Quote from: Pale Roader on October 11, 2009, 03:43:11 AM
I've fitted the 15's and 16's and they've come up okay. No problems i can see, but i never drove on them, so i cant say for sure. I've had the 17's on my car since the day i got it and no issues. No spacers either. My rims ARE aftermarket, but they are stock Mustang offset... they fit perfectly on the 88 i pulled them off. They are also only 7.5" wide though, not 8. That .5" could be an issue if its on the wrong side. And looking at them today, my fronts are only 235/40's, but thats more or less a 235/60/15 dimensionally. Still, lots ov hard driving and no issues have come up. I'm looking at putting 245/40's on the front and they should work just fine. It all comes down to the rim i guess.

Would you be willing to post a few pictures of your car with the 17's?  I'm curious what this looks like. I like the look of tires with narrow profiles on modern cars, but I wonder how this would play out on a vintage Pinto.

Also, I wonder about overall diameter of your tire+wheel combo compared to stock. My research suggests the stock size B78-13 converts to about 175/75-13 which is about 23.3" overall diameter.  Your 235/40-17's work out to about 24.4" or an inch in diameter over stock.  Have you calculated the effect on the speedometer, or noticed any obvious difference in acceleration?

Pale Roader


I've fitted the 15's and 16's and they've come up okay. No problems i can see, but i never drove on them, so i cant say for sure. I've had the 17's on my car since the day i got it and no issues. No spacers either. My rims ARE aftermarket, but they are stock Mustang offset... they fit perfectly on the 88 i pulled them off. They are also only 7.5" wide though, not 8. That .5" could be an issue if its on the wrong side. And looking at them today, my fronts are only 235/40's, but thats more or less a 235/60/15 dimensionally. Still, lots ov hard driving and no issues have come up. I'm looking at putting 245/40's on the front and they should work just fine. It all comes down to the rim i guess.

TIGGER

I have seen pictures 2001 bullitt's on some early cars but nobody has really commented on how they fit and what tire size are they running?
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skunky56

The fox body rims (4 Lug 15x7) fit the rear just fine, the fronts require a 1/2" spacer to clear the inner fender well . The 15" up will also clear the upper ball joints. You need to run a 225/50r15 tire to clear.
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dholvrsn

Have any of those 15" Fox Mustang rims been the hurricane style? Did yo have a way of keeping them from rubbing?
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Pale Roader


I've got 17x7.5" rims that i found ON a Mustang (88 5.0L LX). They're the same basic offset and i found out later are for a Mustang. They fit on my 76 trunk no problems. I've (right now) got 245/40's on the front and back, no issues (going 275 rear as soon as its insured again though). BUT... the rear wheel offset on Mustangs is 'new school'... so on these old school cars they are WAY too far inside the wells to look right. I really like the way my rims look, and they're light(ish) so i'm actually gonna widen the rears a good 3" so they look right, bit i'm also looking for a hub-adapter when i do that. Its gonna add up. The front offset aint perfect either, but there is literally no room to move in or out in those wheelwells without rubbing (maybe 8" with the same offset, max)... so i'm kinda stuck. No 275's on the front i guess. At least they look better than the rears.

I also had a set ov 17x9" aftermarket Cobra R's in 4-bolt, again to fit a 5.0L. I tried to fit 'em on the Pinto but the fronts were out ov the question. Not even close. The rears likely would fit though. LOTS ov room back there (room for a 295 tire by the way). That said, i've seen those exact rims on a 77 Cobra (Mustang II), and they fit really well. The owner was a world class douchebag though, so i wasn't about to lower myself to actually talking to him to find out how he did it. Too bad really... nice car.

I think pretty much any stock or stock size Fox-mustang rim will fit and work, i've had the 15's and 16's fitted on mine no problems. You just might not like the way the rears look in those cavernous wheelwells.

boomboom52

Has anyone tried 17"mustang wheels is there room for them on a runabout