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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Looking to start pinto project. Any suggestions??

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dholvrsn

The comments on this linked page show a Ford Taurus SHO V6 swapped longitudinally into an Austin Healey. So why not a SHO engine in Pinto?  ;)

http://jalopnik.com/5312765/engine-of-the-day-ford-yamaha-sho-v6
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hellfirejim

when i started my Pinto it already had the 2.3 and such in it so i kept it and have tried to improve on it.

However that being said my favorite Pro Stock car was the V8 Pintos.  I love that look and yes the street cars are very fast.  I guess it is a matter of choice. To ME it is more important to be different and not see myself coming down the street.

Back to the original question, the kits are for the 302 motor and i understand that the higher deck block of the 351 complicates things a bit.  Seems like an interesting choice, a 302 with a power adder or a 351/punched out to 408.  Either way would be a wicked ride.

Remember the the thing that makes this site special is that we all have Pintos just done in the way we see fit and that is just the way it should be.
jim
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dholvrsn

Also the extra relays, fuse(s), and home brew wiring to splice the turbo EFI harness ro the Pinto harness.

Although, you'd have to do much of the same thing to swap a late 5.0 EFI V8 or ilk into a Pinto.

I'm strongly biased towards turbo Pintos because I built one, but wouldn't a previously unmentioned problem be the 20 years for the parts to thin out, wear out, be discountinued, or hoarded? Plus aren't those turbo Fox bodies and Merkurs starting to ramp up in collector value?
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'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
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71pintoracer

Once again it's all about what your personal tastes are. If I had all the time and money to spare, now that I have the cruising wagon, I would put the V8 set up in the cruiser and put a turbo 2.3 in the '71. Yay! The best of both worlds!
Personally, I think the V8 is an easier swap, just because of the electrical parts of the fuel injected turbo. From what I have read on here, a lot of people curse that part of the swap. Because my job involves a good deal of electrical and electronics, that part would be a cake walk. For others, the thought of reading a wiring diagram gives an instant headache! :reek:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Pinto Pro

A 2.3 with a good boosting turbo will be pretty fast, and its less weight. But ultimately, a V8 is cheaper, more reliable, and more powerful. Cant go wrong with a small block!!

Srt

Quote from: dholvrsn on October 28, 2009, 08:19:13 AM
So has there ever been a turbo four versus V8 Pinto grudge race?

no pintos but i used to have at it with a couple of guys in my home town with v8 vegas.

i'd say it was a pretty even match up most of the time. one of them could hook up but the guy was so slow as far as reaction times go it was pathetic.  the other had no problem smokin the tires and that's where i got him. every time
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

turbopinto72

Ok guys... Lets stick to the topic please.
Thank you  ( the Shiny police  :police: )
Brad F
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Pinturbo75

toad, it wasnt meant to piss you off, sorry if you took it that way. its just pokin on the internet.youre gonna need to grow some thicker skin or get used to being mad. again sorry .
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73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Carolina Boy

Quote from: harasyn92 on October 23, 2009, 05:33:28 PM
Well as the title says, i'm looking to start a pinto project of my own. Back in the day my dad had a 72 pinto with a 289H.P. swap in it. He's just wrapping up his 66 mustang restoration and we are looking for a fun project for this winter. Anyway we've located a 76 pinto sedan. My main question is what would be the most cost effective/simple swap for this pinto. My dad wants to put a non H.P. 289 in it but i'm leaning more toward a 5.0 or 351. What do you guys think??? This car will mainly be used for a summer fun car and the occasional drag weekend at the strips.

Back to your question and our answers. have you and your dad set a plan yet? Holler if I can help with any parts or opinions.
CB
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

toad1978

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on October 28, 2009, 08:29:53 PM
if you think this sounds like rice you are nothing short of a retard!!!!

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/blacksheep1703/my%2075%20turbopinto/?action=view&current=100_0804.flv
all was in fun now you crossed a line butt hole i have a retared son and i bet he is more of a man than you will ever be or hope to be!
i thought this was a good bunch of people who love to be different and drive little cars some go fast some go slow i think you must be one of the slowwww ones (retard)

Pinturbo75

75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

toad1978

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on October 27, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
i really dont understand why most of you hotrodders have so little faith in the 2.3 turbo? i have around 2700 in my car right now including purchase price and im just over 400 to the wheels now with a rough tune, a worked head, and a 175000 mile shortblock. itll cruise 75 and 80 all day long and gets 25 mpg . lets see you guys do that with the v8s. im planning to go 10s in the 1/4 early this spring. it will also get the finish tune and dynoed before i build the new shortblock.

so, how many of you can go 10s street legal and get over 20 mpg on the highway and still cruise over 65 mph safely????for less than 3k!!! :devil:

stir the pot.......
if i wanted to sound like a rice burnner i buy a honda. as far as mpg i would drive my wife's car. v8's sound great feel even better with a the shaking and the rumble ahhhhhhhhhhh! : :2fast4u:: 

Pinturbo75

not that im aware of, but it does sound like fun!!!
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

dholvrsn

So has there ever been a turbo four versus V8 Pinto grudge race?
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'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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smallfryefarm

I can respect the four bangers, we raced arca truck series for several years and we ran eslinger 4 bangers and man they made gobs of hp. Its all in want you want though. For 30 yrs i have dreamed of a pinto with a set of 26x12.50s tucked up under the wheel wells and a V8 up under a closed hood and idleing into the frost top drive in with the headlights bouncing and now i got it. Man lifes good. And would LOVE to do that red light thing, two pintos red light to red light would be a awesome site. I might get beat but i will still be smiling ear to ear cause who ever would beat it would have one bad @ss car and would deserve a smile and handshake. Besides its all about having fun.

David
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Pinturbo75

Quote from: Pinto Pro on October 28, 2009, 12:56:32 AM
If you are at 400 to the wheels, you should be in the 10's already!

this is true! my clutch needs to be upgraded and i need a good set of stickies. momma has cut me off on car goodies for the year so i gotta do some junkyardin and ebayin to get the rest of what i need for the car before spring. gotta keep the lil woman happy!

ive got a lumpy cam and 3" exhaust and at idle the average joe wouldnt know its a 4 banger. ill try to post a video tonight of it. you might be impressed!!!
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 71pintoracer on October 28, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
I paid 100 bucks for my car and 100 bucks for the engine and since my brother and I did all of the work I have far less than 2700 in mine. I drive mine to work and anywhere else I want, 75-80 on the interstate, no prob. Over 20 MPG? That may be a problem! :lol: With 300 HP and a 150 shot of nitrous, on slicks it may go tens, maybe not! But then again, my engine is bone stock internally. However, I do have one thing that you don't, the awesome sound of a V8 barking through glass packs! OHHH YEAAA!!!
(stir stir stir)

SO true 71, sooo true.
I have a friend at work that is tired of tripping around with his SVO mustang. Turbo 2.3 aluminum headed 300 detuned HP and he was always fighting his 4. When it was finally done and got all the bugs out of it he was just about exhausted and done mentaly. Yah it was a great ride, fast handled great, but it had no passion.
When I pulled up in my Pino at work and rumbled his brains back into submission. He was grinning ear to ear " GOD I LOOVE THAT SOUND!!"

So he dumped all the 2.3 stuff and now going, Yep You guessed it, tried and tru 302..

289,302,347,351,408 etc lumpy cam, flowmasters 2.5, 3.0 exhaust Is ALL about the PASSION baby.. It gets my blood goin....
There again, if you really want HP. Then go 302 with a turbo... Talk to "78Pinto" about that one!!! Or maybe a stroked 351 out to 454 with twin turbos. HP??? Lets just say get your will in order....
V8s or death!!

LOL!


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Edelbrock Airgap
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Pinto Pro

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on October 27, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
i really dont understand why most of you hotrodders have so little faith in the 2.3 turbo? i have around 2700 in my car right now including purchase price and im just over 400 to the wheels now with a rough tune, a worked head, and a 175000 mile shortblock. itll cruise 75 and 80 all day long and gets 25 mpg . lets see you guys do that with the v8s. im planning to go 10s in the 1/4 early this spring. it will also get the finish tune and dynoed before i build the new shortblock.

so, how many of you can go 10s street legal and get over 20 mpg on the highway and still cruise over 65 mph safely????for less than 3k!!! :devil:

stir the pot.......
If you are at 400 to the wheels, you should be in the 10's already!
If you dont have an aftermarket (Esslinger) aluminum head, you may want to get one.
Iron is junk. As soon as you detonate on it, it WILL be junk!!

71pintoracer

I paid 100 bucks for my car and 100 bucks for the engine and since my brother and I did all of the work I have far less than 2700 in mine. I drive mine to work and anywhere else I want, 75-80 on the interstate, no prob. Over 20 MPG? That may be a problem! :lol: With 300 HP and a 150 shot of nitrous, on slicks it may go tens, maybe not! But then again, my engine is bone stock internally. However, I do have one thing that you don't, the awesome sound of a V8 barking through glass packs! OHHH YEAAA!!!
(stir stir stir)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Carolina Boy

If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Pinturbo75

i really dont understand why most of you hotrodders have so little faith in the 2.3 turbo? i have around 2700 in my car right now including purchase price and im just over 400 to the wheels now with a rough tune, a worked head, and a 175000 mile shortblock. itll cruise 75 and 80 all day long and gets 25 mpg . lets see you guys do that with the v8s. im planning to go 10s in the 1/4 early this spring. it will also get the finish tune and dynoed before i build the new shortblock.

so, how many of you can go 10s street legal and get over 20 mpg on the highway and still cruise over 65 mph safely????for less than 3k!!! :devil:

stir the pot.......
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

toad1978

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on October 27, 2009, 07:31:08 AM
id bet "dollar for dollar" i could keep a 2.3 turbo in front of any v8 swap light to light!!!!! and get better mileage at the same time..
early 80's 351's are cheap. about $100-$200 bore it out 30 over good set of piston & rods ect.. a little head work and you are looking at 325-375 hp
for about $3000-$3500. or if money is not a problem 347 stroker @ 425-475 hp
but then you would have to add weight to the rear or you would just melt your tires. if i ever get my 77 wagon on the road i would like to take you up, light to light,1000ft or 1/4 mile.
toad.

smallfryefarm

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Pinturbo75

id bet "dollar for dollar" i could keep a 2.3 turbo in front of any v8 swap light to light!!!!! and get better mileage at the same time..
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

toad1978

Quote from: harasyn92 on October 23, 2009, 05:33:28 PM
Well as the title says, i'm looking to start a pinto project of my own. Back in the day my dad had a 72 pinto with a 289H.P. swap in it. He's just wrapping up his 66 mustang restoration and we are looking for a fun project for this winter. Anyway we've located a 76 pinto sedan. My main question is what would be the most cost effective/simple swap for this pinto. My dad wants to put a non H.P. 289 in it but i'm leaning more toward a 5.0 or 351. What do you guys think??? This car will mainly be used for a summer fun car and the occasional drag weekend at the strips.
go with the 351 bigger is better!!!!!!!!
toad 1978

71pintoracer

The '76 is a great body for a V8 swap, the '71-'73 are a little harder. (ask me and smallfryefarm how we know). My car has a basicly stock 5.0 HO and t-5 from an '89 Mustang. Plenty of power and nice street manners and will getcha sideways when you nail it in second. Late model 5.0's are easy to find. Do a search for V8 swaps, lots of info here!
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

smallfryefarm

If your wanting to go cost evective then i would find a fox body with a good running motor and t5 perferably 85 or newer and you have most of the parts ready to swap. then just make it shiney  ;D 8)
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Carolina Boy

Quote from: harasyn92 on October 23, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Thanks for the replies.

Can someone tell me what the advantages/ disadvantages of each of these engine swaps would be?

- HP289

- 289

- 5.0 302
The blocks are basicaly the same in mounting. Age is a factor due to the 289 was discontinued for, I think,1968. You may have to be careful of the bellhousings.
The 302 is easier to mount a T5 or C4. Either engine is a good swap.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

" Any suggestions??"       



Don't!!!!!! :amazed:



Pinto's are very addictive. Once you have one, you just can't stop!!  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA