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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Useless

Quote from: Wittsend on July 13, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
Actually it was the dual carb. setup that caught my eye, not the leaking hoses. :o  I like the wheels too. Oh..., and I see a MSD.

Do you have the..., I belive it is called Dutra exhaust where two exhaust manifolds are cut/capped to provide dual exhaust?....

Thanks. I think the rallye wheels make a big difference looks wise as well. The car has been converted over from the 9 1/2 drums and small bolt pattern wheels to front discs and big bolt pattern all the way around. It's actually a '73 V8 Duster suspension and brake wise, even has the V8 rear and V8 torsion bars and springs.

It does have the Dutra Duals, pretty much cast iron headers, though I'm not really taking full advantage of them since the car has single exhaust. It's got a pretty healthy cam in it, sounds great now, can't imagine what it'll be like once I go to duals all the way back. It's a fun car.

Quote from: beegle55 on July 13, 2009, 05:27:19 PM
Funny how Pinto's are related to people in the Mopar world. I'm fairly new to Mopar's and have had my all orig '74 Charger for about a month.



:welcome: to this great site!

    -beegle55

Nice Charger. I've never had the pleasure of owning a third generation Charger but did have a '68 and two '70's, I've always liked and wanted a '73-'74, they're neat cars.

You're right, it's funny how the Pinto seems to be connected to Mopar people, must be something in the design. I remember when mopar stuff was considered "ugly" or "grandma cars", long before anything with a pentastar on it was expensive or popular. They're quirky cars and I think the Pinto has sorta the same draw.

Though I've found out, the Pinto has ties to a lot of people. My dad who is diehard Ford traded one of the two GM cars he's ever owned, a '68 GTO, for a '71 Pinto. Also turns out that my stepmother had a red '71 Pinto for her first car. Just about everyone seems to have a Pinto story when they find out I own one.

I'm very excited to get mine together and on the road. Next month is what I keep telling myself, it's a long wait!


Pale Roader


Hah! I used to have a 73 Dart 4dr that looked just like that one in the pic. Mine was the same beige, with a plaid interior, white wheels, vinyl, you name it. The most grampa lookin' car i've ever owned. However... it did happen to have a 72 440, stage 2 727, 3.91 posi, and a bunch ov other crap that made it a pretty successful sleeper. nfortunately, i didn't build it, someone who didn't know much about Mopars did, and they had to have PS and PB (not smart in a BB A-body), so the engine was mounted about 3" forward. I think the weight distribution was about 70/30, and it ended up pretty much how you'd expect a 350HP hotrod with a 70/30 weight bias would end up...

My 72 Charger has the same engine, but modified, weighs the same (figure THAT out) and is a helluva lot faster. Not quite a sleeper though, with 295's all 'round, 3" side exhaust, a 4 1/2" cowl hood, etc. Has a really cool old stock car look goin' on, hate to sell it, but my Challenger will be even cooler...

I've always done Mopars, and even in my GM days i wanted to, but couldn't afford the Mopar i wanted. I keep the Cadillac because its the evillest thing on 4 wheels and i've had it forever. The Pinto... well, thats a mental disease i cant seem to shake...

Wittsend

Actually it was the dual carb. setup that caught my eye, not the leaking hoses. :o  I like the wheels too. Oh..., and I see a MSD.

Do you have the..., I belive it is called Dutra exhaust where two exhaust manifolds are cut/capped to provide dual exhaust?

Anyway, welcome to Pinto's.  Frankly I don't care what the brand is, every car is loved by someone. My Valiant is a 318, SSI (PAW) clone of a Performer Cam ($3.24 with $10 shipping on Ebay). Performer Intake $30 from swapmeet. Performer carb., free from me neighbor. ;D

The heads are '87 "Swirl ports" that are home ported ($35 for both at Pick A Part).  Stock exhaust manifolds are ported too. 3" single exhaust. Police car wheel/caps and swaybars.  A big car that handles like a go-kart. Looks stock and a sleeper.

We now return you to your regular scheduled "Pinto Talk."

beegle55

Funny how Pinto's are related to people in the Mopar world. I'm fairly new to Mopar's and have had my all orig '74 Charger for about a month.



:welcome: to this great site!

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
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1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
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Useless

Quote from: Wittsend on July 12, 2009, 07:39:50 PM
Welcome.  Hey, what year Valiant?  I have a '73 Pinto, a '73 Datsun 510 and a '73 valiant.  All '73's by chance.
Tom

Nice looking collection you have there.

Mine is a '63. I don't really have any great pics, but here are two I snapped two weekends ago after the big annual cruise-in we have here. Nevermind the heater hose, leaky heater core finally died two days before the cruise.




smallfryefarm

I have been on vac for a week and missed alot.
Useless nice car. Looks like a good place for a 400hp 302  ;D.
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Wittsend

Welcome.  Hey, what year Valiant?  I have a '73 Pinto, a '73 Datsun 510 and a '73 valiant.  All '73's by chance.
Tom

Pale Roader

Quote from: Useless on July 12, 2009, 01:23:31 AM
You're right pale rider, it's amazing how much cheaper stuff is for the Pinto, I've got about $600 worth of weatherstripping to buy for my Valiant, it's about half that for the Pinto. I forsee the Pinto progressing a lot faster.

Hah! thats Pale Roader... my horse is a car. Well... i AM on the pinto forum... but, oh wait... a pinto IS a... still... i'm so confused...

Yeah, i'm doing two cars right now... this one and my 70 Challenger. I'll likely be on my third 2.3 in this car before my Dodge sees the road...

The main draw with this new project o mine IS the cost. I dont plan on paying for much ov anything. The drivetrain stuff sounds as close to free as one can get. The engine is so small that even machining costs should be far less than usual for me (especially when you're used to dealing only with Mopar big blocks). And as rare as pintos are around here, i still dont seem to have much trouble finding them. I've found no less than three decent 71-73 Pintos in my quest for 71 bumpers. Not one was over $500 and a certain 72 was VERY nice i'm told. I just dont wanna hack up a good car for this stuff. Later pintos show up now and then, and anyone with one or parts for one seems happy to make .50c on anything i'm interested in.

I've also got quite a few Ford friends who have all kinda ov crap i need just kicking around. Now all i need is to find a Mopar guy who does mechanicals who will swap work on my Pinto for Mopar parts...

Pale Roader

Quote from: discolives78 on July 11, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
Sorry Pale Roader, I never saw your post. I've been in-and-out and haven't gotten to read everything :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: and there is a lot to read here. Nice to see someone that's not particularly brand loyal (like myself) and just enjoys whatever comes along. I've had Beemers, Benzes, Saabs, Peugeots, Renaults, Fiats, Chryslers, other Fords, and yes, even some GM stuff. I just can't seem to shake the Pinto 'bug', though. I dig straight six stuff, especially hot-rodded. Your friend's hod rodded slant 6 van sounds cool. I'm looking for a 6 cyl Maverick or Comet to convert to Throttle Body fuel injection (saw an article in Hot Rod magazine with that setup plus nitrous, seems like fun! ;D )

By the way, I didn't notice any smell  ??? :)

Chuck :afro:

My brother's slant six is only in a van because he drives like i do and wiped out his dream-car 'Green Brick' 69 Valiant road racer (too bad he doesn't drive like i do AS WELL as i do... heh heh heh...). T'was a nice car, and pretty fast for having no horsepower. But all is well, his next dream vehicle was a 66 Dodge van... and most ov his goodies bolted right in...

I am somewhat brand-loyal. I'm just not a Chevy fan at all.  I used to do Buicks though... 70 Buicks specifically... (Skylarks, Electra 225, Wildcats) i never had a 67-69 Riviera though... I like a lot ov Buick/Olds/Pontiac and especially Cadillac stuff... but right now one 21.5ft long 6000lb 41 year old nightmare is enough... Just got into Fords very recently with the Pinto and that 96 Mustang GT. Now i really want a 96-99 Cobra. Those DOHC mods are as close to sex as an engine can get. I wanna put one in EVERYTHING... (including a Pinto, thread on that later... haha).

Useless

Thanks for the warm welcome guys!

I'm really excited to get some stuff done on the Pinto, it won't likely be a whole lot until Sept. We're going on vacation and most of the current cash flow is going to that. I do hope to have it on the road by then even with the ratty interior.

I'm sure I'll have a few questions between now and then. I've got to replace the ignition and door locks very soon.

I currently have the drivers seat out as the locking mechanism didn't work, one of the two screws fell out causing the latch to twist enough to keep it from locking in place. I should have it back in this week and be able to throw some seat covers on for the time being. 

You're right pale rider, it's amazing how much cheaper stuff is for the Pinto, I've got about $600 worth of weatherstripping to buy for my Valiant, it's about half that for the Pinto. I forsee the Pinto progressing a lot faster.

discolives78

Sorry Pale Roader, I never saw your post. I've been in-and-out and haven't gotten to read everything :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: and there is a lot to read here. Nice to see someone that's not particularly brand loyal (like myself) and just enjoys whatever comes along. I've had Beemers, Benzes, Saabs, Peugeots, Renaults, Fiats, Chryslers, other Fords, and yes, even some GM stuff. I just can't seem to shake the Pinto 'bug', though. I dig straight six stuff, especially hot-rodded. Your friend's hod rodded slant 6 van sounds cool. I'm looking for a 6 cyl Maverick or Comet to convert to Throttle Body fuel injection (saw an article in Hot Rod magazine with that setup plus nitrous, seems like fun! ;D )

By the way, I didn't notice any smell  ??? :)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

Pale Roader

Quote from: srt on July 11, 2009, 03:39:34 AM
You know the road less traveled (Pintos) is almost always provides a more satisfying trip.  The 1600 is a real good motor and coupled to a 4sp is about the best you can get from an 'American' car as far as efficiency & fun go.

as for the cost aspect; consider this.  I osed to have a 1974 Lotus Elan Sprint.  Really cool car. ( I had given away way my Pinto at this time) but when shopping for certain engine parts I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the motor had a lot in common with the 1600 Ford OHV motor ( a version of which you have in your Pinto).

Unusual is COOL. Flaunt it!

Perhaps i should give you a better idea ov who you are talking to. My other car is a 1968 Cadillac M&M hearse. Its black paint has never been washed in the 20 or so years i've owned it (and yes, i drove it to high school too). Its got dents and scrapes and a big Klingon symbol etched into the hood (that i didn't do, but it looks bloody cool so i'm keeping it!)... lessee... 31" mud tires, jacked up, mags, 3" mandrel Flowmaster exhaust (that is until i find a shop to install the X-pipe/Spintech/top-fuel zoomie system thats going on there. I have plans to drag race that one. It has lichens growing on it and pretty much looks like it just Lone Wolf McQuaded itself out ov the grave. Thats my hauler.

My other car is a 70 Challenger that has original red paint that is almost faded to primer or steel in many spots. Its a stripper, no options at all, and its either getting a real 426 hemi or a (get this) 5.4DOHC mod motor to go in front ov the T-56. I will never paint it or try and polish the patina off, and if it does get painted it will be black and i'm leaving the dents in. Thats my race car.

My commuter is looking like a 2.3 5spd road race ready pinto... sooner or later. And its already flat black. Like everything else i own.

I have other cars but they're all on the block, so i dont claim much over them. The cool things that made them one-offs when i drove them are being reversed as i type and will be sold as typical Mopar cars... the way Mopar guys like 'em. The only other bug i have is for a black 70 Chrysler Imperial 2dr. I've had a burning need for one ov those since i saw Vanishing Point for the first time how many years ago.

Unusual is something i cant seem to get away from no matter how hard i've tried (so i dont try anymore). I've had a yard fulla rat rods long before the term became cool. The Pinto fits right in...

Srt

You wrote

".....The really cool thing about Pinto's i'm finding is, aside from how cool looking these lil' cars are that is... is that they are so damn cheap to deal with. Only the rarity ov earlier Pinto parts makes things cost anything. ....."

You know the road less traveled (Pintos) is almost always provides a more satisfying trip.  The 1600 is a real good motor and coupled to a 4sp is about the best you can get from an 'American' car as far as efficiency & fun go.

as for the cost aspect; consider this.  I osed to have a 1974 Lotus Elan Sprint.  Really cool car. ( I had given away way my Pinto at this time) but when shopping for certain engine parts I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the motor had a lot in common with the 1600 Ford OHV motor ( a version of which you have in your Pinto).

Unusual is COOL. Flaunt it!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

blupinto

I hope I didn't make you feel unwelcome Pale Roader! Frankly I got a kick out of your topic (about your lil' brown Pinto).   ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pale Roader

Hah! just when i was starting to think this place wasn't that friendly... Maybe i just smell or somethin'...

Neat car man. Funny, i actually have a 72 Charger i'm trying to sell... at least some ov the money made will likely find its way into my Pinto. Tell THAT to the Mopar guys...

My brother has a 66 Dodge van with the full-deal slant-six hotrod set-up (ported head, 4bbl, header, big compression, race exhaust, big solid cam, etc.) you gotta be weird to go that route! but its neat as hell. Maybe someday i'll have someone be as interested in my Pinto... (hah! probably not, still all jokes and jabs where i'm from).

The really cool thing about Pinto's i'm finding is, aside from how cool looking these lil' cars are that is... is that they are so damn cheap to deal with. Only the rarity ov earlier Pinto parts makes things cost anything. Unless you're talking aftermarket, the 2.3's and anything related are usually free. To everyone else this is throwaway stuff. Even Pinto parts, when you do find them, rarely cost more than a few bucks. To a Mopar guy (me) this is a very welcome change...

dga57

 :welcome:  Curt!

I have a '72 sedan with the 1600 cc and a 4 spd.  Not the fastest setup, but certainly a durable one!  Enjoy!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71pintoracer

 :welcome: Curt, to the Pinto side of town! Great looking '71, the little Kent engine is a tough little dude! These cars are a blast to drive, you're in for a lot of fun. Thanks for saving another Pinto!! ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Norman Bagi

Sweet little car you got there, sounds like she found a good home.  Good luck with whatever you decide to do with her, make her yours.  :welcome:
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Rear leaf springs http://www.generalspringkc.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=108&pg=1
Axles & bearings http://www.moserengineering.com/Pages/Axles/customalloy.html
Assorted body parts (glass mostly) http://www.rodnrace.com/c64/1971-1981-Ford-Pinto-Body-Parts.htm
Hopefully that will get you started, pretty much anything else you will have to salvage or be creative with.


popbumper

NICE! I love seeing these cars snapped up like this. Great find, congrats!! Man, that's the MOST open engine bay I have ever seen!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

JonzWagon

Hey Curt
   Welcome, that is a GREAT little fun car you got there. You will have a ball with it. And you will enjoy this group of terrific people. Anything you need help with, parts, advice, encouragement, you will find here. Don't be afraid to ask! And please share your progress and experiences with us.  Again welcome! and thanks for saving another Pinto from oblivion.       John

pintogirl

Hi and welcome Curt!!!

  Your Pinto looks great from the outside!! The seats are easy to fix for temporary! Do like I did and just put seat covers over them! LOL I also added a back pad to the bottom of the driver seat to add some cusion for now! LOL

My Green car is a 71 with the 1600. I plan on keeping it original too. So I will have a 1600 with stick shift and a 2.0 Automatic for my driver pintos!!  ;D My hubby plans on beefing up one of the other pintos though! LOL

Well, welcome again! :welcome:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

 :welcome: Useless (if that is your real name :devil:)

Neat car. I had a light blue 72 with that powertrain. That was a lot different than driving the 2.3 '78, but it was a bucket of fun!

:fastcar: ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :) :) :) :)

Looking forward to seeing pics of your resto!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

Useless

I've been lurking around here for a few weeks so I might as well go ahead and post.

I've had a lot of classic cars over the years (mostly mopar) but I've always liked and wanted an early pinto (specifically a '71).

A few weeks ago I was about to buy a '73 Charger project when out of the blue, I ended up finding a '71 trunk model for sale for $450, I called the guy and went to look at it. It had a little rust but not bad, not great interior and didn't want to go into first or reverse without grinding.

It had obviously been sitting for sale for a long time because the sign had dry rotted! As much as I liked the car, I figured I would think about it before commiting to anything, which is completely opposite of what I would normally do. Well, before I got home the guy had called and left a message saying if I really wanted it, I could have it for $350 and he'd even deliver it. I just couldn't pass it up.

The car is powered by a 1600 Kent that runs but needs a major tune up. It's backed by a 4-speed which after driving it around my yard a few times, it no longer grinds going into first and only a little bit going into reverse.

The interior is really the worst part of the car, typical cracked dash pad, center of the headliner hanging down, front seats ripped up, carpet shot.

I need to find another rear bumper (rusted out) but other than that, it's all there. It has a little rust in the floors, around the rear wheel openings and the trunk is rusted allowing you to see in it from the rear wheel wells. Not too bad for anything of this vintage in this area.

Hopefully with a little luck and a little more cash, it'll be on the road by fall. Plans call for a pretty basic restoration, repaint, restore the interior, aftermarket wheels.

I wouldn't hate to V8 the car, but I kinda like the Kent, it makes the engine bay really roomy. Plus I've also kinda come to be known locally as the guy with the weird engines as my other project is a '63 Plymouth Valiant Convertible with a built slant six with dual carbs hanging off the side, so that's one more reason to stay 1600.

Anyway, I'm glad to be here and hope to learn a lot and maybe even be helpful from time to time.

-Curt