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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Didn't notice the date- I was too excited about the car.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

This post is over a year old (7/2007) and the person has not been on since 1/2008. I'd say she has done whatever she was going to.
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blupinto

Keep her! Keep her!! KEEP HER!!!  What a beautiful little wagon. I'm jealous!
One can never have too many Pintos!

bbobcat75

i saw that car in englewood fl at a used car dealer for the last 4 years tryed to buy the car but the car dealer wanted wat too much and the door bottoms where rusting away!!! i hope you got it for a steal!!! the car dealer was not a good guy to deal with!!! best of luck!!! i have my 75 bobcat down in fort myers so maybe ill see you around
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1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

discolives78

Save the Pinto! and if you can't save it find somebody that will! I have never taken a Pinto to a mechanic. just a muffler shop and a tire shop, everything else I do myself, have pulled engines, transmissions, rear ends, all the small stuff, you know, alternator, starter, water pump, carburetor, done some electrical work, swapped out hoods, fenders doors, glass, Pintos are almost the easiest car in the world to work on!  :o


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

71hotrodpinto

Hmmm he said that it would be 1500+ ?? and he wanted to "unload it for you" "Take it off your hands" Etc. He wanted it. LOL But probably didnt want to admit it to you!
This is soo worth it i cant stand it. GIMMY GIMMY ;D LOL!

You will probably spend near 700 in parts for a complete redo of all the brake components. But they should last you another 15 years so money well spent IMO.
For example @ rockauto.com
Most all is rabestos stuff.
126 each for front rotors. (71-73 is a rare bird for front disks. so they are very expensive new)
35 ish for a decent master cyl. ( rock has a closeout rabestos one for 35 now. normaly 89)
70 for rabestos loaded calipers.
50 for new front bearings/seals
150 for drums
35 for rear hardware (self adjuster kits, holddown kits)
35 rear brake hose.
40 for front brake hoses
20 for some brake fluid to do a compete flush
I wouldn't worry about the steel brake lines unless you have rusty brake fluid. If its just dark and dirly then just blow some brake clean through them from one end to the other.
This is about $687. Not including shipping.figure at least 100 more for shipping considering the weight and compenant count You could probably spend about 30% less with cheapest stuff out there but in the long run is your saftey really worth it? JMO!

I recently did all of this through ebay and over the last 3-5 years. I spent alot less, but it took a long time to gather all the parts together.
Wish i could help you with some labor as i love to help out, but im sure were too far away and i stil have my time sucker to finish. LOL

If you have the time , document with pictures and posts as you do it! Im sure we would all love to see.
GL


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71pintoracer

I'll bet you one thing, if you don't think it's worth it there are about 100 people here who will knocking your door down to buy it!! My 2 cents; your mechanic seems a bit on the pricey side, that sometimes means they don't want to work on it. Get on e-bay and find yourself some service and repair manuals. I have gotten both factory and chiltons from there. Sit down and study them and do it yourself. Any advise you need is right here. Pinto's are fairly easy to work on. That is a nice looking car!! Believe it or not, there are some people who are thinking (and your mechanic may be one of them) "why would someone pay good money for that piece of crap?" All I have to say to them is  :showback: !!
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

rcandy

Are you keeping the car or is it for sale?  I bought one brand new and loved it.  Let me know.

Andy

FlyerPinto

Cool, I'll check that out right away. Thanks a bunch!
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crazyhorse

Quote from: FlyerPinto on July 25, 2007, 07:54:21 AM
Of course she's worth it! When you get stuck on a part of your project, ask questions here. These folks are great and have helped me a lot.

p.s. - Crazy Horse - I'm half looking for a BRAT...ever hear of any around?
Keep your eye on the Ultimate Subaru Message Board in the marketplace section... they don't come up often, or cheap, but they can be found. DO expect significant rust damage on most of these EA81 series vehicles. In the early 80's Subarus came with rust pre-installed from the factory. After '85 it was a US only dealer option.  :lol:

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phils toys

Flyer,
I have my eye on a brat 86 i think. The guy want $400 and has a bunch of extra parts some minor rust but some engine problems Phils toys
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FlyerPinto

Of course she's worth it! When you get stuck on a part of your project, ask questions here. These folks are great and have helped me a lot.

p.s. - Crazy Horse - I'm half looking for a BRAT...ever hear of any around?
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

crazyhorse

I catch a LOT of flack for my 2 car obsessions, Pintos & Subarus. I dare to be different, by choice. My Pinto gets a lot of Thumbs Up, from other drivers. My Subie gets evil looks from Ricers as I blow by them off the lights. I LOVE my Pinto & have heaped attention on her, mostly to keep her on the road as a daily driver. Tho I've done some subtle mods on the interior to make her more comfortable.
The question of worth in these great lil' cars is moot...NADA says like $3500...I MIGHT part with mine for that, but I kinda doubt it.
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

losin sux

You should be in jail for only paying 610.00 for that little gem cause you truly stole from them!!!!!!  Nice find and welcome to the Pinto (to be different world) family!

Steve
77 HB 2.3 C3 3.40

77turbopinto

WOW, The car is worth 3-4 times that RIGHT NOW, if not more.

Depending on where youe spend it, putting 2-3 grand in it will make it very dependable, and worth even more.

Great find.

Shop rates have gone up a lot lately, but do check around and get VERY DETAILED estimates for EVERYTHING you might need.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

grey_wolf_chief

I am only a weekend mechanic, major classic car junkie though. I have most of the basic tools but have friends that have all the rest. 

I'm glad I found this site because I'm sure I'll be asking questions.  You are all making me feel alot better about my decision to buy...tossed it around for about a week and a half, she was only $610.00.

Is it true that when the odemeter rolls then the numbers are not centered anymore?  If so then she hasn't rolled on mileage yet but the title has a mileage exempt so I might never know.

The tow truck driver said he couldn't believe how strong she sounded.  He suggested taking it to a Vocational School and having them do the work to satisfy a graduations requirement.

Another car, not right now, fience just got a new job across the state and he needs it.  I'll bus it for awhile. :( But it will be worth it.
JeanneMarie

neal martin

From what I see, it's a great peice, a little work and it's really sweet. Brakes are easy, but sounds like your mechanic is a little high. ( and I mean a LOT ) I wouldn't even think of getting rid of her, body and paint only on mine was around $3,500 and it had a LOT of rust, your body is great. FIX ER UP

High_Horse

Grey_Wolf_Cheif,
  You really don"t need to take that car to anyone if you work on cars...am I getting this right...Girl. I assume you have another car to drive. There is enough expertise here to see you though all of it. Do you have tools? Jeez...If I can do it.

                                                      High_Horse

P.S....Who ever told you to junk it ...keep that car away from them...you have a jewel.

                                                   
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

turbowagonman

grey_wolf_chief, DEFINATLY do not scrap it!

There are alot of similaritys between Mopars and Fords. When you are doing the work take your time and "Cross your T's and Dot your I's"! The car looks to be in great shape. Use it as a learning experience, some people just don't understand what the attraction to Pinto's are for people like "Me" or "Us" (most people on this site). They just DON'T understand!

Now if you've wrenched on cars already you've already got the ball rolling, and if someone is willing to look over your work, that should give you a little bit of insurance that you will be comfortable behind the wheel when you are driving it down the road. Also the feeling you'll get when you are behind the wheel is "I did it all myself" makes it all worth wile.

Remember what 77turbopinto said "For some brakes are easy, most of the time they are just time consuming (expensive at a shop)", just keep that in mind when you are working on the car so you don't get discouraged about how long it is taking. I have to keep telling myself that when I start to get discouraged on my project because I've been working on mine for about 1½ years.

Also keep in mind what douglasskemp said "It is all perspective" when people are asking "Why a Pinto". Just reply, "I want to be different" that'll make them quite down.

Just Do It!

turbowagonman
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grey_wolf_chief

Thank you to all....I'm going to go for it.  This is my first Ford project...I've been mainly a mopar girl.

I have a break man who will supervise me while I do the work and then do a full system check for free and catch anything that I might miss.  I've only done 2 break jobs so far.

The mechanic gave me an estimate $1,800 to do the work but then advised me against it (but did not offer to haul it away).  He is concerned that it would just be a money pit, he did try to sell me another car however. 

I have been pricing the parts and the most expensive one is $50 including the core.

As for the smoking, I'm pretty optimistic as there is no water in the oil.

JeanneMarie

77turbopinto

You need to find out WHY it is smoking. Do a PROPER compression test to see if it is the rings. It just might be valve seals or a head gasket.

For some brakes are easy, most of the time they are just time consuming (expensive at a shop).

The car looks very good.

Let me see if I have this right: someone at a shop told you "should sell to a collector or junk her". Sorry, that makes NO sense to me. They understand that it HAS VALUE TO COLLECTORS but sending it to a junk yard is still in YOUR BEST INTREST??? Please don't tell me they offered to haul it off for you too; if they did, find a new shop.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

High_Horse

Grey_Wolf_Cheif,
       Just have them do the brake work....the wheel cylinder bleeds might be frozen and need to be replaced if they snap off.
A complete brake system overhaul sounds like it is in order and would be a considerable project even for an experienced mechanic...but brakes are very important.....lines and all.
I say go for it...the car looks very worth it.

                                                       High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

grey_wolf_chief

The radiator and water pump don't scare me.  Even the break pads, rotors, and cylinders are okay. 

It is the master cylinder and break lines that worry me.  She is running and I think I am going to give it a try. 

I have some body men who want to take care of the small amount of rust.

I'm sure I will be asking questions in the very near future.

Thanks
JeanneMarie

douglasskemp

Quote from: grey_wolf_chief on July 12, 2007, 02:01:26 PM
What do you all think...my mechanic says she isn't worth it and I should sell to a collector or junk her.  Don't want to junk her and my son likes her.

It is all perspective.  If you are willing/able to put forth the time, money and energy to get her going again, and you can do it as a 'Father/Son' (or is it Mother/Son?) project, then I say do it.  All this, of course, will also depend on your mechanical knowledge, and your willingness to learn.  There are quite a few very knowledgeable people on this site, as well as a bunch of info in the archives and forums.

Your car looks to be in decent shape for a car that apparently has been sitting for a while.  It has a couple of very nice options (A/C, A/T, 2.0, deluxe interior).  Personally, I think your car is a nice find, and I hope you and your son have fun with her if you do decide to keep her.

Good luck.

--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

grey_wolf_chief

Just picked up a 1973 original pinto wagon.  Body is solid and hasn't been in an accident. 

She needs new breaks, master cylinder, et all, a new radiator and water pump.  He says about $1,500.  I'm thinking I'll keep ger. 

Original a/c is there but not working right now, The engine and tranny are good, smooth running but smokes quite a bit.

What do you all think...my mechanic says she isn't worth it and I should sell to a collector or junk her. 

Don't want to junk her besides my son (11 yrs old)likes her and already named her "Betsy".  My mom had one when I was a kid...it was great for transporting us kids and the family dogs.  We got rear-ended by a semi with no breaks when I was 15 and both of us made it out of the car.  Any car nowadays and we wouldn't have.  Mom always wanted another one.

JeanneMarie