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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

buying pinto with no title..

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77turbopinto

As mentioned, some of the "resolutions" posted in this thread are illegal, and fordpinto.com and its management do not condone or encourage anyone to do illegal acts.

Check local, state and federal laws BEFORE buying a car that has 'paperwork issues'.  Its in the buyers best interest to find out all the facts from your local registry or DMV.


Bill

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discolives78

Paperwork can make or break a car!  I have bought cars without titles before, In new mexico you can get an assigned VIN, but you will need a bill of sale, you have to post a bond on the car and you have to advertise in the paper your intentions of titling it to give previous owners a chance to stake a claim. this can be a real pain. Luckily there is no back registration requirement here, so I bought a car that hadn't been registered in 5 years and there was no penalty to register it. If it has been out of the computer system for more than 3 years and you don't have a title the dmv will give you a form to send to santa fe to do a title search.  If it is in the system the previous owner can get a duplicate title for $15 on the spot. 


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

demoiowa89r

well i just picked up the pinto today and looked it over real good.. i think its going to stay a derby car. i would have liked to save it but there is WAY too much work.. so lots of parts for sale.. i'll post in part classifieds.
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a 78 hatch. derby car.
a 73 wagon. derby car.

popbumper

There's a '77 Cruising Wagon, unrestored, in Austin Texas that I have known about for several months (it had been Craigslisted several times). In fact, the plea from the owner, who I spoke with a few times, was "please save it from the crusher". $500 lousy bucks, V6, original, complete but running condition unknown.

Three things kept me from it:

1) No room to store it
2) I wanted something in better shape to restore (which I got by buying my '76), and more importantly...
3) It has no title

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Wittsend

  And..., after reading all this it reminds me of why I bought a Pinto 400 miles away and spend $425 to tow it home.  The "selling" point of the car wasn't it's condition, or it's price, it was the fact that it was "currently registered!"

Sadly a lot of older cars, - even in restorable condition, become parts cars or crushed cars due to lack of paperwork.

A few posts up I told of my 'out of state' '61 Corvair wagon.  I recall just having a bill of sale from the owner and his second hand story about it coming from Michigan and never being registered here in California.  Well that was 1995, things have likely changed.
Tom

Reed

I once bought a van with no title here in WA.  I needed a bill of sale, a release of interest, and the DOL has a special form for the previous owner to fill out that says he/she lost the title.  Not a big deal.  Just make sure you get all you ducks in a row first.  Easiest thing to do would be to call or (better yet) go down to your local DOL office in person and talk to them and see what you need.
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popbumper

Such a great topic - and certainly, varies from state to state....

In Texas, if a car is sold without a title, you can get a bill of sale for it, take it to the DMV, and get what is called a "bonded title". The bonded title, for all intents and purposes, makes you a "custodian" of the car, for a specific period of time (two years, if I am not mistaken).

IN THE MEANTIME, if the previous owner comes up with the title, finds it, whatever, and they want their car back, they can challenge your bonded title, and take their car back - at your expense.

Imagine, you find a nice example of a clean car, but it wiith a bonded title, embark on a year long restoration, pour thousands into it, and then Joe Nobody shows up to "claim" his car. You fight it, spend a few $K more in attorney's fees, and lose it  :mad:. That is why it is ALWAYS recommended to read the "fine print".

If I were to buy a car in Texas with no title, I'd park it for two years, and not touch it. That's why I made sure mine had a clean title.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FlyerPinto

Probably the best thing to do is to go to the BMV or Title Bureau and ask them what the procedure is to obtain a title. In Ohio, at least at the title branch here, the response was "just don't buy the car." I explained to them that wasn't terribly helpful but they never changed their stance. Funny thing is, the investigator worked out of that office and they never suggested speaking with him. It might be an easy enough thing to handle out your way, just do a little research and some leg work and you might come out ok, even if it takes a little while. It would almost certainly be better than getting hung up with a pinched vin number somewhere...then you have to explain all kinds of things, and usually in criminal court where you have to pay for an attorney anyway.
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dga57

When I bought my '79 Continental Mark V, the seller stated that the title could not be found.  He was selling the car as part of his father's estate and no one in the family had any idea where the title was.  The car had been registered in Tiskilwa, Illinois until about three years prior to my purchase.  I did a little research and found that a new title could be issued for $75 upon proof of ownership, which was possible with the registration.  I went to Illinois, paid for the car and drove it home to Virginia with a VA DMV-issued five day transit permit and a Bill of Sale.  It took nearly six months to get that title and would you believe, the VIN was recorded incorrectly!  A "Y" had apparently been misread as a "4"... everything else was right.  The seller went back to the Illinois DMV who said they could only change it after it was inspected by an Illinois State Police officer and he filled out appropriate forms stating that the VIN discrepency was clearly a clerical error and that the car, in all ways, proved to be the vehicle represented by the title.  Of course, the problem with all this was that I could not get a title or license plates in VA in order to drive it back to Illinois if I wanted to.  I could have purchased another 5 day transit permit but they are only valid if you are headed toward your Virginia destination, not away from it.  Decided to see if I could slide it past the DMV without them noticing and they got hung up on another detail instead.  They needed proof that the seller had authority to sell the car to settle the estate of the deceased owner.   That proved a problem because his estate was so small, they didn't bother to go through probate.  The five children (all of whom are in their late fifties to early seventies) are close knit and simply sold everything and divided it all equally.  They each had to file an affidavit and have legal papers drawn up to prove that the father was dead and they could legally sell the car.  Thankfully, they paid for all that.  That satisfied the VA DMV so they started the process, when the computer kept telling them the VIN was "irregular".  I held my breath and prayed silently.  After about three tries, the clerk said, "Well, I can override that!"  She did so, and issued me a title, registration, and plates (and yeah, they have a "4" in the VIN where the "Y" is supposed to be and I DON'T CARE!!!)  Her explanation was that, being an older car, the VIN was much shorter than modern cars and that's why the computer kept kicking it back.  Regardless, it will probably will never be an issue again unless I sell the car outside of Virginia, which I have no intention of doing.  Titling a car (at least in Virginia) can be a pain in the rear unless everything is 100% correct.  Good luck!
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apintonut

Quote from: FlyerPinto on September 24, 2008, 07:54:32 PM
I bought a Pinto Cruising Wagon without a title last year. It came with only a bill of sale. In Ohio, that means you're going to have to scrap the car because you can't legally sell it to someone. I went to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, the Troy Police, the Miami County Sheriffs Department, and the Ohio Highway Patrol, and none of them were of any help at all. Finally, an investigator from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles called me after I had left a message at the County Clerks office at the courthouse. I don't remember how or why I came to call the Clerk of Courts about the car, but I did. The investigator inspected the car, and investigated the history of the vin number in the states where it was previously owned, at least to the best of my knowledge. Then he issued his report to the Clerk of Courts stating that the car was, in all likelihood, not stolen. I then had to file what is termed a friendly lawsuit against the clerk of courts, who intentionally failed to respond, thus granting me victory (!) in the lawsuit. The clerk of courts issued a letter to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and the Title Branch instructing them to issue me a new title to the car. The title fee was something like six bucks. Not bad. The friendly lawsuit was $600 with an attorney. Maybe you could do all that on your own, but it may not be worth the effort. Hope it helped some.

if it comes to that id just sell u a vin and plates lol sound like it would make the hole state happier  :lol:
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Fred Morgan

Wow what a headace  Fred   :hypno:
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FlyerPinto

I bought a Pinto Cruising Wagon without a title last year. It came with only a bill of sale. In Ohio, that means you're going to have to scrap the car because you can't legally sell it to someone. I went to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, the Troy Police, the Miami County Sheriffs Department, and the Ohio Highway Patrol, and none of them were of any help at all. Finally, an investigator from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles called me after I had left a message at the County Clerks office at the courthouse. I don't remember how or why I came to call the Clerk of Courts about the car, but I did. The investigator inspected the car, and investigated the history of the vin number in the states where it was previously owned, at least to the best of my knowledge. Then he issued his report to the Clerk of Courts stating that the car was, in all likelihood, not stolen. I then had to file what is termed a friendly lawsuit against the clerk of courts, who intentionally failed to respond, thus granting me victory (!) in the lawsuit. The clerk of courts issued a letter to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and the Title Branch instructing them to issue me a new title to the car. The title fee was something like six bucks. Not bad. The friendly lawsuit was $600 with an attorney. Maybe you could do all that on your own, but it may not be worth the effort. Hope it helped some.
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demoiowa89r

now i've heard of this being done but if there was a person with a vin plate and title could i switch vin plates so i could have a titled car.. or is that illegeal :police:
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a 78 hatch. derby car.
a 73 wagon. derby car.

Wittsend

Last I heard California was 7 years, but on their web site (a few years ago) it seemed like it was 3 years. Basically whatever the time limit they no longer have a record of it.  I was given a 1961 Corvair station wagon that can from Michigan, was promptly parked and never registered here.

It sat for over 20 years. When I went in to register it, I was told it was like I brought it into the state today.

Unfortunately in California an unregistered car (until it falls off the books) is liable for back registration fees and they can get real high because of a penalty. In this case they assume you have been driving the car all that time even if it just sat in your driveway.  So, if you are taking a car off the road do yourself a favor. Put it on Non-Op status.  That way there are no back fees!
Tom

Fred Morgan

Motor Vehicle Dep. will not have car on file its been to many years out. So you say I have a $5.00 a day storage charge for last 16 years. They will probably give you abandonment paper work to fill out. Fred   :)
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demoiowa89r

from what i was told its been sitting for 16 years.. it was bought as a derby car, and u dont need a title for that, but i'm gonna drive this on..
Proud owner of a 74 pinto sedan. NON-DERBY
a 78 hatch. derby car.
a 73 wagon. derby car.

71pintoracer

It varies from state to state. In Va. you can apply for a salvage title or you can get a form from DMV and have the seller (or last title holder) fill it out and for 5 bucks you get a replacement title in THEIR name, which they then sign over to you. Basicly they just need to make sure it is not stolen.  :police:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Fred Morgan

How long has it been out of registration. Fred   :)
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demoiowa89r

i'm buying a 78 hatch and it has no title.. i plan on driving it, so how do i go about gettting a title for it??
Proud owner of a 74 pinto sedan. NON-DERBY
a 78 hatch. derby car.
a 73 wagon. derby car.