Long story, but my dad bought this back in 1979 for my mom. He drove it down to New Orleans to see his brother, drove it back, went to drive into town, came back and parked her in 1979. I think that he took her to get serviced once and then that was it. She has sat in my parent's garage since 1979. We got her up and running a couple of months ago by changing out the battery (still have the original one), flooding fluids (dad saved those too in new metal gas cans), and giving her three pumps. She cranked on the third try. Unbelievable! I realized how amazing this time era was when we cranked her.
Now, my dad is trying to sell her because he has Alzheimer's disease and he cannot tend to all of his vehicles anymore (1984 Corvette with 10k miles, my 1973 Land Cruiser with 11k miles, 19?? Cadillac with 60k miles, etc ...). So we are liquidating his so called inventory. He is just a lover of vehicles. He has had Bel Aires, Vettes, Cadillacs, etc.
We are now trying to get a good pricing on what she is worth. Please help! The Ford place near us really insulted us with a 2k offer. My dad became furious with it because we have been told much much much more. We just want to get a general ballpark and who might would buy it. I was told by Scott to place this on the forum and see what came back.
Thanks guys.
Here are the pics.
http://picasaweb.google.com/dsa03cjj/DadS1979FordPintoPony
You can also read my Garage thing about her. She is next to my name dsa03cjj.
Thanks!
first off.... very very nice... a low milage and original Pinto.. sweet!
the interior looks really nice and clean... body and paint (based on the pictures posted) is dirty for sure. big concern here would be how well the body and paint cleans up. If the paint is free of scratches (looks like there may be a few on the rear shots) I would expect it to sell for around $5000 or less on Ebay if properly presented and cleaned up.
might get more if you hold out... a member on the site recently paid around $7500? for an all origional 72 with just under 10,000 miles. It was a duluxe model with lots of options but more importantly an early (1972) model and much more desireable than the 79/80 years in my opinion. Also yours is the "basic" pony model with no deluxe options so I would think it would sell for a lot less than the 1972 did.
If you put it on Ebay and had a couple of interested buyers who really wanted it and had the cash to buy it... and there was a bidding war... I think $5000 would be top dollar. Most likely sell for closer to $4000... based on it being a really clean ride once cleand up and presented well in pictures...
as far as the car lot is concerned... I'm surprised they offered $2000. A car like this would be difficult at best for them to sell... only the locals would see it. It would take forever for them to unload it (to small a market) and would get less than $3000 I would bet. Most likely someone at the dealer wanted it for themselves... Remember... they need to make money off it. Space on the lot cost a dealer lots of money and buying and selling something like this... well, it's not even a good idea for them...
Just my thoughts and opinions...
clean that ride up, shine all the shiny parts, get some hi-res pictures posted... in my opinion if the body and paint cleans up nice you will find it a good home and get a decent price... for a Pinto.
I kinda agree... you need to take the car out of the crowded storage and into the lite. give it a bath.. try not to make any more damage to the paint as possible and give it a bath, and a quick polish, get rid of the photos of it dirty and only show it in its glory. This will get you the most $$ and interest. It sounds like you have a Dollar amount your expecting? you should air it out and talk rationally about the possibilities.
it is a 80 which is not the premium body style for big dollars and its not very deluxe on options. So on paper its not as appealing. But the Millage and condition is its plus.
FrankBoss
I'm sorry to say 79-80 were NOT the safest.
the sheet metal alone on the last two years was thinner than the 1971-78 models. It always made me mad the way my two 80's would dent and my 72 and 71 wouldn't as bad. And the bumpers on the 74-75 were monstrous and over engineered.
What would you think your cars major price range would be "ish"?
In your research where and what cars have been bringing what moneys?
And compare years and options to your car if you would.
I've seen older models in museums for sale with low mileage and read articles of auction houses moving beutiful pintos with more options.
But we can't realisticly compair those prices to the open market.
Even if the same cars were for sale the day after, the mood of the buyers are different. so this is a good discussion with a good example (IE* being the little white car)
After purchasing a few cars over the internet I can tell you clean cars pics are allot better than dirty car pics. Since the descriptions of cars for sale on the net are somewhat twisted and miss represented. So if your trying to make the $$ always put your best foot forward.
People offering 20K and paying 20k is two different stories. Money talks and the other stuff walks. On the other hand Money in hand is better than a foot in the mouth.
Please don't take this as a insult but I am enjoying the thought of your getting the most out of this car and the story behind the car, I just would like to hear facts not hear say when a car is being priced. So please share.
the tread has my attention. Wow.
FrankBoss
Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 25, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
Wow, FrankBoss ... a regular connoisseur. We have SEEN one go for 50k. The thing about that was that it was an 80 and had 10.1k miles on it. Since that is true, then ours could do the same, but we've been told to get the search out. I will send you what I know on that one later. My dad saved the website and even talked to the guy.
Sad to say he is not interested in another one. He did not like white? His excuse not mine. I know nothing about these cars, so I am going off of what a man who is 64 years old, collected Bel Aires, Vettes, Cobras (Shelby), and others, and also has Alzheimer's disease. If you want to insult the knowledge then I'll let you speak with him directly. Otherwise, just help the man out.
In your question about the vehicles bringing money, I would have to say that my game is in Land Cruisers. I do not like Fords and never have (no offense, but I've never driven many good Fords...and don't say that I have not driven many Fords b/c that is all my dad would buy me). I buy and if have to rebuild 60's and 70's model Cruisers (FJ40s, 55s, and 60s). They bring in the 40-50k range when in great shape. I have one now that Toyota is dying to have and they have put a much better price on that than what my dad wants on his pinto. I have plenty of stories about those, but this post is about my dad's car.
I do not think that the problem here is about the options either. I think that people looking for options are just looking for another car to drive. We do not want this to be driven. I'm not looking to prove you or anyone else wrong on this forum, but I do want my dad to be satisfied with his investment.
I was asked by Scott Hamilton and a gentleman named Gerard to post on this forum, but if you along with others are only going to put this car down then there is no use in keeping this post. I know that we must be realistic, but 50k for an 80 is pretty realistic fur my dad now. Gerard (and an insinuation by Scott) led me to believe that the car was worth more than what we had it on Craigslist for. We posted it on Craigslist for 25k and we've had several offers (one being up to the 24k).
Also, the 24k offer was made for us to keep the car the way it is. We are not ready to clean her yet because if that gentleman wants her as is, then my dad will give her to him as is. We will clean her when he declines. Trust me when I say that I had mentioned this to my dad first. It is HIS car, NOT mine . . . when that guy said he wanted it as is then I had to agree with my dad. He did not want it washed.
Also, the guy works so he has not been able to come look at it in person. I know that cash in hand speaks louder, but do you have a 20k offer on your pinto(s)? Also, you would have to see it in person before you can make those kind of calls.
So please think before you type because your words came off pretty strong. Also, there is a lot more to the story of this vehicle. Remember the beginning post? "Long story short ..."? Alright, well I have more work to do. Thanks again.
Please help us with anyone who is interested. (And no I'm not putting a 50k or high range price on it ... we just want it's worth out of it and for it to be displayed NOT abused like many do to these cars).
Heres something to think about: WHEN YOU ASK FOR PEOPLES OPINIONS AND YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR, DON'T GET MAD AT THEM!
I agree with Frank. People tend to TALK more than DO.
You were offered 24K and did not take it on the spot? I am not saying it is not a nice car, but that sure seems like very good money. (If I was given 24K for mine I would toss my wife's Pinto in the deal)
50K for a Pinto? Where? Please post a link!
I don't fully understand what you really want from the members/site. If you want to get top dollar for it you should just auction it off, otherwise put a price on it keep turning down offers.
Quote1979 Ford **ONLY 5446 ORIGINAL MILES** Gas saverReply to: sale-725356305@craigslist.org Date: 2008-06-19, 12:50PM EDT **SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY PLEASE** My mom and dad bought a new 1979 Ford Pinto Pony (4 ...
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Why did you pull it off craigslist?
Bill
I just love the fact this is being shared!!!
You might think my wording is strong but as a person not walking in your shoes I hope you stay patent with what I have said.. I honestly am enjoying what your sharing and I'm quite Juiced about you getting those numbers.
If you feel I ment to insult your dad, I wished you would read my post again...if you feel the same, "I will spell it out to you" I had NO intentions.
I'm a big boy and I can and will apologize.
But as a group we watch the numbers the cars bring.
and the stories that got the cars to that point are sometime more exciting than the ride home in one.
When you say "We have SEEN one go for 50k" I assume you have the information on this sale and if it was Documented. If so this could help the value of your Dads car.
Also I wonder if the Persons request for it not to be cleaned, was in fear of the finish being scratched during washing? Possible?
FrankBoss
Quote from: Pintony on June 25, 2008, 07:30:28 PM
I think he has his decimal point in the wrong position.
nice Pintony, that is what it cost new in 1979, or at least right above 2.4k ... thought you would rage me up a little didn't ya? haha ... not worth my time right now to get angry about this
:hypno:
Not to offend, but.... $10,000 would be a steep price for that Pinto but yet someone somewhere in the world might pay it. Barret-Jackson quality Pinto, I think a 1971 or 1972, with similar milage and more desirable options only sold for somewhere around $13,000. $50,000 for a Pinto, never. No. I would not even consider believing that unless I see a very official document of the sale. I hope you find a buyer and get some good money out of the Pinto, it is a great car.
-beegle55
Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 25, 2008, 08:15:15 AM
We are now trying to get a good pricing on what she is worth. Please help! We just want to get a general ballpark and who might would buy it. Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 25, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
I was asked by Scott Hamilton and a gentleman named Gerard to post on this forum, but if you along with others are only going to put this car down then there is no use in keeping this post. I know that we must be realistic, but 50k for an 80 is pretty realistic fur my dad now.
I don't know what it is that you want from us. You asked us what we thought the car was worth and several people told you. We are not putting the car down we are telling you what we think the car is worth. You think 50K is realistic, that's your opinion. If you have 25-50K already firmly in your head why are you asking our opinions? I would venture to guess there isn't anyone on this site that would value your dads Pinto at more than 10K. If there is I'm sure they will speak up. Personally I don't think the car would bring over 10K. But that is my opinion based on how you have described the car. Remember the value of any item is only how much a buyer is willing to pay.
Another thought. You could restore a 71-73 Pinto (my expertise) for maybe 10K. If they could sell for 25-50K in perfect condition wouldn't there be a lot of car people restoring them and selling them for major profits? That's why collectors don't restore Pintos, because if you spend 10K to restore one you won't ever get more than 10K when you sell . But if you can get 50K for your dads Pinto, more power to ya.
Bob
Quote from: Pintony on June 25, 2008, 10:33:29 PM
Y NOT??? You are ANGRY at Cookieboy and Frank
I have to stand by my FRIENDS!!! AND their opinion about your Pinto.
let it slide Tony, let it slide ;) I trashed my first response to his reply as I too was offended by what he said and how he said it but... I let it slide... remember he's a newbie and came here for help. So let's help with the reality check he was most likely sent here to get ;D
I will stand by my original statement based on seeing hundreds of Pinto's sold and paid for over the last couple years... I truly believe that's the price range this car would sell for if put on Ebay. And we all know that is a fast way to get some good dollars for a Pinto... I'm not saying the car can't or couldn't sell for more, it could. I know most of us here would dearly love to see these cars go up in value and be more in demand... that's a good thing and what we all hope for isn't it?
Beegle55 - here's a link to the car you were referring to...
http://www.themustangnews.com/eventcov_07/st-07bjpalm1.htm
have to scroll down the page a bit but it's still posted.
Lot 1: 1976 Ford Pinto
76 Ford Pinto with 7093 actual miles. Wow, can you believe this car is at a Barrett-Jacskon Auction. No word as to whether this car had the gas tank recall work done or not.
Rating: 7.5
Sale Price: $12,650
There are those of us that remember how shocked we were when this one sold for the money it did... wasn't a bad thing... helps the value of ours go up more ;D
as far as the Scott and Gerard references are concerned... is there anyone here who knows them who would really believe either of them would tell him the car is worth more than $24K... I won't unless either of them join in the discussion and states they did... more likely they tried to tell him what we did and he responded the same way he has here and they sent him here to get a feel for the market and a reality check... at least that's what I'm gonna believe until they say differently.
as a matter of fact... in my opinion only.... I'm starting to believe this is all a joke. Has to be. Go back and read his posts, I mean really read them... so much of what he has to say just doesn't ring true... the Scott and Gerard references... a pinto that could sell for 50K... come on folks... this just doesn't seem real does it?
my above statement was not designed to offend you dsa03cjj... it's just seems to unreal to be true and most of your statements are hard to believe. look at this from our point of view...
But let's say this is real dsa03cjj here's some things to think about...
you were sent here to get an honest opinion of your car, you have gotten it and you don't like the answer. That's OK we allow opinions but when you make a statement like this - "I know nothing about these cars, so I am going off of what a man who is 64 years old, collected Bel Aires, Vettes, Cobras (Shelby), and others, and also has Alzheimer's disease." you should at least consider the opinions of the "experts" you were sent here to ask advice of. If you want to get more than what we tell you that's fine, more power to you. Again if you get top dollar it helps all of us, we get to see the value of our cars go up and that's a good thing ;D
as far as this statement - "I do not think that the problem here is about the options either. I think that people looking for options are just looking for another car to drive." think about this one and I mean really think and use common sense... what's worth more and basic 69 mustang with a 6 cyl - low mileage and great condition or a 69 mustang with all the options and a V8 in the same condition... which will sell for more... the one with more options of course. basic simple truth.
What you have is the most basic and simple of pinto's, the cheapest they sold that year, it's long term value is diminished by the fact it's so basic. Don't get me wrong... the low mileage and condition the car is in, based on what you have said, is very impressive to us pinto guys but if parked next to a pinto with all the options, 2 tone pant, vinyl top, all the chrome and deluxe interior in the same good condition parked next to your car... at any car show... yours would get ignored by the general public... it's just to plain. This applies to the final sale price as well as you will see below. The only thing about it that would get any attention is the original condition and low mileage admired by a select few that are into that sort of thing. Personally I like the idea of owning a low mileage and original condition Pinto but I personally wouldn't even be interested in buying yours (MY OPINION ONLY!) because it is so basic and nothing special. I've seen better, nicer looking, low mileage cars sell for under 10K far to many times to consider yours something special and worth paying top dollar for.
here's 2 examples of cars and asking prices... there are many more examples but that would require a book and this post is already to long-winded ::)
first one is a 74 Pinto, basic like yours with a asking price of $13,950
http://www.antiquecar.com/index/listings/page13209.htm
here's the car in pics/video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNogerqDJdQ
and this car has been for sale for a long time.... still for sale, has been for a couple years.
second one is a 72 with all the options and was bought from a museum about 200 miles south of me and shipped to it's new owner, a member of this group. See the Video/Pictures here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD93ZenCsbI
This is one beautiful car... all the options... SOLD! for less than 10K
dsa03cjj, there really there is no reason for us to deceive you. Seeing your car sell for big bucks helps out the Pinto community and I think we can all agree this is a good thing. However we will be honest and tell you what to expect, remember that's why you were sent here. If you don't want to believe us... OK we will let you have your own opinion. I hope you get the big dollars you hope for, I also hope the car does end up in a collection or museum. There are fewer and fewer of these low mileage cars out there and in my opinion it should be babied and not driven.
If you choose not to believe us, that's OK but remember you were sent here for help and we have given. You should respect that but based on what you have already said I'm not holding my breath. Again I hope you do get the big dollars and wish you nothing but the best.
Peace,
The Cookieboy ;D
Original74 should watch this carefully. IF this car brings $50,000 then "Jade" should be worth at least $100,000 in comparison. Much cleaner, more pleasant color combination, and 5000 less miles!
Seriously, my love affair with collector cars takes three very diverse directions: Pintos, Lincolns, and Rolls Royces. In today's market you would be hard pressed to get $50,000 out of a 1979 version of any of these automobiles. That's not to say it can't be done... there are lots of fools out there with lots of money. I simply can't imagine WHY anyone would pay that kind of money for that kind of car.
In my opinion, Barrett-Jackson, while entertaining to watch, has probably done more to screw up collector car prices (note: I said "prices", not "values") than any other single entity ever. The cars they sell are incredibly perfect and command outrageous prices but, unfortunately, the average Joe watching at home begins to think that the old car he's had parked in the barn for thirty years is suddenly worth a fortune too. In most cases, it simply is not for any number of legitimate reasons.
So... is this Pinto worth $50,000... or even $25,000? Maybe to someone... but I feel safe in saying not to anyone in the PCCA and I can't imagine a more Pinto-savvy bunch of prospective buyers anywhere in the world.
I wish you the very best of luck in selling your Pinto and, if you are successful in selling it in the price range you've mentioned (and can prove it), I would be most interested in hiring you to market my 1979 Collector's Series Lincoln Continental Sedan. You may keep anything you get over and above $12,000 as your commission.
Dwayne :smile:
Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 26, 2008, 06:16:17 AM
...... remember, i NEVER said that i was selling.....
Not for 50K, yes I did notice that. I think that was an assumption that was made (not by me) with your tuning down the 24K offer. I assumed by your statement that you were not selling the car at all. Sorry.
I need to bring up the 'price' issue again (not that it matters I guess). As much as you seem disappointed by some of the estimates given here, these folks have been gathering information about Pintos for a very long time. If you are not happy with this information, there is nothing they can do, unless you would have preferred to be lied to. By saying you have 'seen' a Pinto sell for 50K AND comparing it to the "sale" of yours, it SEEMED like the 50K one is a 'stock' Pinto. If that is the case, again, I would like to see documentation. I can see a highly modified car in that range, but I believe if it were a STOCK one that this would be less likely (not impossible). With all the members here on the lookout, I would think that if this did occur someone here would have seen it too.
BTW: ANY item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it and what someone is willing to sell it for at that moment in time.
If you were looking to find out the "VALUE", I think people here give good estimates, but a licensed appraiser is your best bet (SHORT of someone standing in front of you with CASH).
You made comments and asked questions. We can't help if your opinions are different or if you don't like truthful answers.
Bill
i think that every time i reply now i get negatives back ... i also think that everyone here thinks i am a liar ... that's ok though, i know where i stand.
my dad does want to sell the car, but that will be of no luck here ... so i prefer to learn more about it now.
educate me instead of condemn me
is that better?
plus i was only doing as told by those that are in your club/forum ... and one of which is the president? or something? either way, i was told to sell it for much more and to bring it to you guys for help ... why would someone of your group tell me that if they did not think that it was worth more? i just don't care anymore though.
no more pricing (i'll deal with my dad on that one from now on) ... how about edu-ma-cating me from now on? i'm a Cruiser lover ... make me a pinto lover.
Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 26, 2008, 07:54:23 AM
i think that every time i reply now i get negatives back ... i also think that everyone here thinks i am a liar ... that's ok though, i know where i stand.
my dad does want to sell the car, but that will be of no luck here ... so i prefer to learn more about it now.
educate me instead of condemn me
is that better?
What do you expect when you argue the opinions you ASKED for?
Bill
Quote from: 77turbopinto on June 26, 2008, 08:03:01 AM
What do you expect when: 1) You say you are selling the car, then say that you never said that, and now you are selling it?? 2) You argue the opinions you ASKED for. 3) You fail to use the word 'please' from time to time.
Bill
1) actually i said that i never said that we were selling it for 50k. 2) i then changed my "demand" 3) please
thanks you guys for your help.
better?
I went back and re-read the part about not selling the car. Yes, I see where it could be read either way.
I went and edited my posts to reflect a reply to what you intended to say, and extend an apology to you.
I did not remove your posts.
Bill
I have to say Craigs list is NOT the place to sell a and get TOP dollar.
you would be better off selling it on Ebay even better would be a add in Hemmings.
There you go. To be Honest Scott and Gerard gave you some really good advise to reach a larger group of Pinto Collectors. Which is a smart move in any market.
I understand your dad is ill and that has NOTHING to do with the value of the car on the market. So please understand that the input of the post have nothing to do with that. Just the car and the value.
Your claims on prices Are unbelievable. Since there are More than one person here having questioned your prices you might want to chill and ask your self if there is a ligament reason?
The Group of Pinto Owners here can give you information and most of us can back up the facts but when some one from the out side claims something outstanding , out of respect of the club members you should be able to back up the the Facts with out being offended. After all its not like we know you and have any insight to your character.
So if you would start a new post with your intentions and needs. leave out anything not pertaining the needs of your situation.
I will even give you my number or call you on my dime to assist in the matter as much as I can.
FrankBoss
www.PintoWorks.com
405-447-3309
thanks you guys for your help. thanks FrankBoss for your time needed in this. 77turbopinto is correct in his words that in these forums the words can come off strong (this was noted to me in a PM, not in a previous post). and i know that my words have probably seemed harsh. I have not meant them to be but apparently they have.
in our cruiser forum, we are very skeptical about MAJORLY high priced cruisers in the 100k range (we seriously just saw one in TN at 140k ... it was incredible ... gave everyone hope). so, i guess that i have brought my cruiser expectations here. i apologize as well. and i do accept 77's apology too. i never meant to bring strife to the forum, only a new pony and hopefully a sell. i was only going by what i was told by those that lead me here.
i will however get that "documentation"/website that my dad has for that one pinto. remember, he's 64 and has alzheimers, so he could be mistaking me! i have to go with my dad many times on his stories and facts though. he is also the one that told me that these years were some of the safest b/c they had to modify from the earlier years with gas tank problems, framing, etc. i only went by what he said. so next time i'll just quote him. he is an ex-military man with pristine qualities.
so, when i heard this from him and had Scott and Gerard (especially) tell me that i should go for more, then my first reaction (to a car that i know nothing about) was to throw up a higher price. i'm sorry if i offended you guys with that. i only went by what i was told by who I thought were well-known pinto enthusiasts. if one of you tried to get into land cruisers and someone told you the same things, then i'm sure that you would try that as well. i've tried looking for prices and NADAing it, but nothing ever came up. so what do you do next? find some pinto-lover-sources. that's what we did. our first answer was "go higher, she's worth it."
thanks for your help so far. so i have tried to research this thing and i've come up with no luck. and i apologize again for any offenses. i understand coming from a cruiser world and then running into a pinto world that is not much different with the people. we all have "crushes" on our cars and know that they are the best.
thanks again! any help on letting me know about this i4 2300cc? i don't even know what to ask about it. where could i start? i'd like to know my stuff before selling her for this "esteemed 50k!" haha (did NOT mean that as an insult or anything, truly a joke on myself)
Quote from: dsa03cjj on June 26, 2008, 08:56:40 AM
thanks again! any help on letting me know about this i4 2300cc? i don't even know what to ask about it. where could i start? i'd like to know my stuff before selling her for this "esteemed 50k!" haha (did NOT mean that as an insult or anything, truly a joke on myself)
heres a good place to learn the history of the Pinto...
click the link --> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1971-1980-ford-pinto.htm
16 pages of fun filled facts
thanks a lot, looking at it now ...
looks like we will here nothing more on this...
dsa03cjj looks to have cancelled his FordPinto account...
to bad, would have been nice to keep track of this low milage Pinto.