I am just finishing up installing a SHO 3.0 into my 74 Pinto wagon. I also have in the garage a 1UZFE 4 cam Lexus V8. Anyone heard of anyone trying one of these out in a Pinto engine compartment? I have to pull the SHO motor out this weekend to make some measurements and was thinking about dropping the Lexus motor in there for a look see.
Jake
My opinion, and yes I know that opinions are like.....everyone has one. No Japanese engine in an American car. Build a hot rod and use the Lexus engine. The SHO engine is a good swap.
Tercin
Tercin,
I here ya on that and I thought about that quite a bit. It got pointed out to me when I was thinking about sticking the motor in there for fit that the 2.3 is not an american engine. Not by a long shot. I have not been able to confirm this but I think the 1UZFE is cast and built in Pennsylvania by American workers. It is owned by a Japanese company though. For me though this does not affect my decisions. I am just looking for the best non-turbo engine I can put in the car. The SHO engine has some drawbacks as far as replacement parts now and its getting worse. Ford is no longer supporting the engine. The SHO fits better but is more work than the 1U. The 1U is lighter being that it is all aluminum. Some thoughts.
Jake
Umm, the SHO motor was built for Ford by Yamaha.......So who cares, if the 1U fits and works who cares....BTW so the early pinto's are no good because of the european engine's in them , t he 1.6 Kent and the 2.0 EAO motor that where installed by Ford ????? Think first then post.....
When did I say any of them were no good? I was comparing them.
Maybe you should try thinking.
Jake
Quote from: D.R.Ball on June 06, 2008, 10:46:06 PM
Umm, the SHO motor was built for Ford by Yamaha.......So who cares, if the 1U fits and works who cares....BTW so the early pinto's are no good because of the european engine's in them , t he 1.6 Kent and the 2.0 EAO motor that where installed by Ford ????? Think first then post.....
And the 2.8 Calone V6, that powers the most Powerful Factory Ford Pinto!
The 1UZFE engine is stout. Forged internals, steel crank, etc. Able to put down twin turbo power.
I thought it might be too wide.
But the engine code says:
1 - Generation of the block
UZ - Engine model
F - Economy narrow-angle DOHC
E - Electronic Fuel injection
I don't know... can a 4.6 DOHC fit? It looks bigger (wider) than my 5.0. Now, a Northstar V8... that looked small enough to fit. ;)
Take your measurements. If you think it'll fit, go for it. I'm all for dependable power. I'm sure you will turn some heads with it, too. ;D You could make a new engine cover so it looks Pinto-y.
Otherwise, hot rod that 1UZ. *drool* I can see that in a chopped, channelled, 3-window.
I fitted the SHO motor on Sunday. I have already made all the spacers to flip the intake around 180 degrees. It is bolted back on and the timing cover has been modified. so everything clears. I have also bypassed the coolant to the throttle body for a cleaner look. I already knew I would have to modify the pan so for initial fit I removed it. When I first dropped the motor in I left the stock manifolds in place. It was clear quickly that there would have to be custom headers made. The stock manifolds hit the inner fender aprons. I removed them and put the motor back in. It dropped all the way down no problem. But what used to be the front intake crossover which is now in the rear hangs over the back of the motor too far. It would have to be remade to tuck in. There would have to be a remote oil filter and the brake biased valve would have to be moved. That would get the motor to fit far enough backwards for correct weight bias and allow the throttle body which would have to be turned 90 degrees to clear the radiator. Also the inner frame would have to be notched about an inch on both sides to clear the power steering pump and AC pump. None of this is a big deal as far as fabrication goes. But onced weighed against the fact that Ford has dropped all support for the motor and there are a number of parts that are not even carried any longer by auto parts stores I would have to say things are not looking good for this engine. Next I am going to fit the Lexus motor in. Then make a decision on which if either goes.
Jake
So did you try the Nexuis motor yet..........
Yup. I just did not think anyone on here cared. Motor fit perfectly. I am right now waiting for a couple of parts for the transmission so I can next fit it in with the transmission attached. They also made the 1U with a rear, mid and front sump oil pan setups. I currently have a rear sump and am waiting for the front sump pan to arrive. I also just got the LS400 headers and think they will fit better than the SC400 headers that I currently have. Depending how the next fit goes I will start making motor mounts and a transmission mount. I just got in the liquid filled mounts for the engine.
Jake
(http://www.sheetmetaleng.com/pictures/1U_pinto_3.jpg)
Something I would like to know, does it fit????? I have yet to know of a motor smart enough to be able to red the valve cover......
Hot rodding was putting another better [read more powerful] motor into a light body. Don't car where it came from.....
jim
I have looked at what you type several times. But I am not sure what you are trying to say with the red valve cover.
Jake
I stared at that sentence for more than 5 minutes and now that you pointed it out it makes perfect sense. I am only on my first pot of coffee. Its the only excuse I have.
And I agree with the statement 100 percent.
Jake
Quote from: Gaslight on July 11, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
Yup. I just did not think anyone on here cared.
Jake
Jake,
Definitely post up photos of the build. It might not be the "in thing" for "die hards", but it is still cool to many of us and most definitely unique.
I have thought about LSx powered, RE powered, etc, etc Pintos... Money and lack of fabrication skills are my limiting factors bringing me back to the 302.
I wish you luck!
Adam
P.S.
Does a radiator and fan fit in front of that engine? Are you going to use a pusher fan?
Adam,
I will throw up some more pics when I get them. I have nothing against the 302 as I have used tons of them over the years in different things. By trade I am an automotive engineer and get contracted out to work on lots of projects using modern engines so naturally that is the way my interests go. After using the 1U in several projects I am totally hooked on it.
Anyways I am hoping to use the factory Lexus mechanical fan and just build a fan shroud around it and hooked up to a 3 core cross flow radiator. From the initial fit I would say I have plenty of room but will no more when I do the test fit with the trans hooked up.
Jake
(http://www.sheetmetaleng.com/pictures/1U_pinto_1.jpg)
(http://www.sheetmetaleng.com/pictures/1U_pinto_2.jpg)
(http://www.sheetmetaleng.com/pictures/1U_pinto_4.jpg)
(http://www.sheetmetaleng.com/pictures/1U_pinto_5.jpg)
Yeah i meant read, sometimes I get going faster than my fingers.....
Keep posting the pictures as I care about it. personally i think it is cool so post away.
jim
Sweet mod, keep us posted. It's all about the creativity and what can be done - not what someone else wants you to do. Looks very nice so far.
Chris
For sure keep us posted! That engine looks sweet in there, I don't care if it's out of a Yugo! :hypno: All aluminum, DOHC, this thing has the makings of a real hot rod. :fastcar:
I have the transmission now but it came without a bellhousing. So now I have to get that. But they are easy to get its more a matter of time. I am still waiting for the new oil pan though.
Jake
please keep us informed of the progess as i am very interested.
jim