I think that there is more enthusiasm in this club than any other that I have been involved in. Keep that enthusiasm going! There is one area of the club that I think some people take advantage of the club through and that is using strictly commercial messages that are not Pinto related to further their own commercial interest. There is an example of that ad in this blog. I started a topic called "Real estate salesman ad nauseum" and promptly got it blocked so no one could give their opinion. Maybe the club officers do not care but I thank that a precedent should be set early on or there will be lots more ads infiltrating the site.
I agree with gordie.A couple of other sites I go to make it really hard to become a member just to combat this problem.It would be nice if we as members could deal with this our self so as not to have to go the same route.This site is supposed to be about pintos not selling real estate,viagra,or what have you.Why the subject was locked I can't understand.
Well, I just figured it out! Those many real estate ads are part of an administrators email address and as an administrate I guess he can use the site for his personal real estate ads if he wants to but I still do not think that that was what was intended when this great site was started. If the other officers and administrators turn their heads the other way and ignore the constant advertisements who am I to complain but it still bothers me everytime I have to look at his ads.
forward me a copy of the Email please...or any others you get from this site...I don't get real estate emails like your talking about and I would like to get this fixxed asap...
No one gets liberty's to spam unless its Pinto related...even then its frond upon....
FrankBoss
PS: Gordie dont forget to put you location in the PCCA map!
My Email is fcanon@aol.com
Quote from: gordie on May 19, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
I think that there is more enthusiasm in this club than any other that I have been involved in. Keep that enthusiasm going! There is one area of the club that I think some people take advantage of the club through and that is using strictly commercial messages that are not Pinto related to further their own commercial interest. There is an example of that ad in this blog. I started a topic called "Real estate salesman ad nauseum" and promptly got it blocked so no one could give their opinion. Maybe the club officers do not care but I thank that a precedent should be set early on or there will be lots more ads infiltrating the site.
Quote from: gordie on May 19, 2008, 12:58:11 PM
Well, I just figured it out! Those many real estate ads are part of an administrators email address and as an administrate I guess he can use the site for his personal real estate ads if he wants to but I still do not think that that was what was intended when this great site was started. If the other officers and administrators turn their heads the other way and ignore the constant advertisements who am I to complain but it still bothers me everytime I have to look at his ads.
I was the one that locked that thread and put the sticky on it. I could have done a bunch of other things too.
I put it there as a perfect example of what not to do (we can go over 'thread hijacking' some other time). If anyone has an issue with another member it is best to: 1) Find out the entire story and get the correct information (first). 2) Contact the person directly (privately). 3) Don't insult people in your public posts.
In one respect you are wrong, there were comments made; I was PMed and emailed quite a bit!!
You have the power to block that area of all the posts you view.
I have helped a bunch of people on this site with information and advice about real estate, as well as working for some directly (All done in PMs, and by them contacting me). IMHO: The last thing anyone on this site should ever hear is "If I had known what you did for a living I would have called you" (no matter what they do for a living).
BTW: I had that in all my posts well before I became an Admin.
Bill
Thanks for your reply. I never used your name in my complaint. Of course you have gotten lots of business from your real estate ad in the Pinto site. Advertising works but I do not think that it has any place here. It just encourages others to do the same and I am surprised that no one has complained before. I have made my point and you can block me all you want and as far as I am concerned the case is closed and you will not hear any more about it from me. Gordie
Quote from: gordie on May 19, 2008, 04:01:14 PM
Thanks for your reply. I never used your name in my complaint. Of course you have gotten lots of business from your real estate ad in the Pinto site. Advertising works but I do not think that it has any place here. It just encourages others to do the same and I am surprised that no one has complained before. I have made my point and you can block me all you want and as far as I am concerned the case is closed and you will not hear any more about it from me. Gordie
No, you did not use my name, but you did give enough information for everyone to know EXACTLY who you were talking about. You even posted what you intended to be an insult to me and my wife! BTW: Her daily driver IS a Pontiac, why would that an issue? (Oh, wait, as far as YOU are concerned the case is closed; nevermind).
Welcome to the board.
Bill
Thanks.
well as this is my topic that has been hijacked. im going to give my 2 cents.
and well bill is right about where he has his ad that is what that option is there for to give info on the user what ever he choses to let people know about him. (which dose not hafta be viewed. it can be turned off under the profile part of this page)
BUT bill u should not have locked his thread. but just deafened your (use of that option) position and im sure it would be less of an issue than it now is.
ps i read gordie's add way before it was blocked and chose not to reply
If his comment was made to ANY other member it would have been removed and MUCH MORE. I did not lock it to silence him or anyone, but to keep it 'as is' and keep it from getting out of hand (like the PMs and emails).
There are some members that would have been upset if I just deleted it; I am in a 'no-win situation' with it.
Thanks,
Bill
APN: You have your thread back.
Bill
I would like to know who started this topic and used my name as the author as I did not start it. Would anyone but an administrator have the inside information to start a topic in someone else's name? I think that whoever did it really went out of bounds and misused their power. Why don't you guys just let this topic go away instead of making a big issue of it. We have all made our points and I hope that whoever started this topic will just delete it.
Quote from: gordie on May 19, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
I would like to know who started this topic and used my name as the author as I did not start it. Would anyone but an administrator have the inside information to start a topic in someone else's name? I think that whoever did it really went out of bounds and misused their power. Why don't you guys just let this topic go away instead of making a big issue of it. We have all made our points and I hope that whoever started this topic will just delete it.
If someone starts a new 'topic' in the middle of someone else's thread it is commonly referred to as "thread hijacking". The Admins and Moderators of this site can "Split" a topic that has been hijacked (where it was hijacked), and start a new topic. The point where it is split starts the "new" topic, and the "author" is the person that started the hijack.
Please note that this is what has occurred here.
Bill
I've read this whole post & to be honest found it amusing. Bill knows where he stands in the community and has probably helped most of us from one time or another. I know he has helped me out lots, including sending me an oil pump for my engine. He & his wife Connie have two excellent Pintos, and I have noticed the signature he has. So what? it doesn't cause a problem on here, so I don't see the problem at all. For what Gordie said, I'm sure the thread was just branched off like Bill said, as I've seen it many times on here & it just helps both the organization of the site & viewability. To be honest, I'm on various sites for my assorted hobbies, and this one, has not had the problems with the ads & spam that others have. The administrators do one heck of a job to ensure the best site for all of us to enjoy.
I say, lets just let this die off, as funny as it has been.. That way we can get back to helping each other out in any way we can, and just enjoy the cars like we all normally do.
I have no problem with anything that Mr. Rainey has ever posted at this site. I am what most people may call a 'lurker'. I do not own a Pinto but I have owned one in the distant (dark ages?) past and I am very fond of the car and the memories that it provided me.
I also admire the group of people that have kept this site and the Pinto in the minds of those who know a good vehicle when they see it.
My $0.02
I have been communicating with Gordie as much as possible to get some understanding on his point. As for moving the thread was the best thing to do ...
With that said... Bill and Gordie have a right to be heard but Gordie has made this a personal blow toward Bill...so I would suggest we watch the name calling and get to the bare bones of the problem Gordie has addressed and move on...
I'm not with out blame here either. I also end my threads most of the time with "Name Drops" for my Business or seeding of my web address. which is not much different that what Gordie has addressed, So what is your guys opinions.
FrankBoss
hi to all it doesnt brother me that some of the senior members have extra stuff at the bottom of their posts.i know that frank and bill spend alot of time and effort to keep the club rolling.thanks to frank for the nice tshirt i bought at knotts. so lets get back to talking pinto stuff u know like the chrome alt. i just bought for my 77 wagon that ought add another 5 mph right there ;D chris in ca.
Quote from: FCANON on May 20, 2008, 09:28:10 AM
Gordie has made this a personal blow toward Bill...so I would suggest we watch the name calling and get to the bare bones of the problem Gordie has addressed and move on...
IMHO... Gordie was way out of line! and Bill did as he should have. Locking the original post to stop a bashing and moving the thread hijack when Gordie wouldn't let it go were both appropriate in my eyes. I commend Bill on his restraint and feel he reacted well to what must have been a very upsetting situation. Bill is a valued member with almost 2500 posts, he offers lots of good advise and helps the group in so many ways it would take a 1000+ words to even scratch the surface of his contribution to the FordPinto site.
As far as the Ads are concerned... Other than being on every post I have never seen Bill say anything about real estate on the site and he does state to contact thru PM's. Frank is the one who handles the FordPinto store and prints our T-shirts and other items.... I'm not currently aware of anyone else who offer products/service thru their signature so I would say we're doing extreamly well in those regards.
Hat's off to the admins for working so very hard to keep this a site that I am proud to be a member of free of spam, clutter and crud.
Not that it's required but Frank and Bill have my blessing and I have no issues with their signatures.
Brian
Thanks guys, I realize now that I was totally out of line and I did not mean to bash anyone. I know that Bill contributes a lot to the good of the club and has for a long time. I just did not understand all of the ads and had to get it off of my chest and went about it the wrong way. Lets move on to Pintos! Gordie
Quote from: FCANON on May 20, 2008, 09:28:10 AM
I have been communicating with Gordie as much as possible to get some understanding on his point. As for moving the thread was the best thing to do ...
With that said... Bill and Gordie have a right to be heard but Gordie has made this a personal blow toward Bill...so I would suggest we watch the name calling and get to the bare bones of the problem Gordie has addressed and move on...
I'm not with out blame here either. I also end my threads most of the time with "Name Drops" for my Business or seeding of my web address. which is not much different that what Gordie has addressed, So what is your guys opinions.
FrankBoss
I have no problem with Bills ad in his signature.He is a long time and TRUSTED member.It's nice to know you can go to someone you know you can trust,especialy in these times.The problem I have is using posts for this.Frankly,no pun intended I was a little miffed when I clicked on one of your links and it wasn't pinto related.JMHO
OK Gordie, let's talk Pinto's!!!
Are you going to be able to make it to Tulsa next month, or are your LA moves going to keep you too busy? Whatever you do, don't drive that 609 miler!
Dave
Sorry, I couldn't resist,
I bought this Pontiac below from Bill last year. It was parked next to the other two.
Hi Dave, I have about four trips to make by July 1st to get my stuff out of my garage in LA and move it to St Joseph. If there is any way that I can get to Tulsa at the right time I will sure try to do it. Thanks, Gordie
Quote from: gordie on May 20, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
Thanks guys, I realize now that I was totally out of line and I did not mean to bash anyone. I know that Bill contributes a lot to the good of the club and has for a long time. I just did not understand all of the ads and had to get it off of my chest and went about it the wrong way. Lets move on to Pintos! Gordie
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ADDED: I comprehend your 'realization' and 'understanding'.
Bill
Hi Dave, Lets talk more about pintos. ;D BTY Please note my sig line.
Well "AS USUAL" I'm comming in late here and feel I need to add to the convo.
Warning NOT Pinto RELATED.
I have had several land line conversations with Bill and found the information he provides very value-able as far and home sales go.
Bill and I have discussed this for More than a couple of hours and I feel like,
"Bill knows his stuff!" Try talking to an attorney sometime. I will guarantee you will recieve a BILL for his services.
So far I have not recieved a bill from Bill.
So that is my 2cents.
Thanks for the help Bill
From Pintony
Thanks for the kind thoughts in the replies.
Bill