Today a friend of mine discovered that a friend of his has several old 2.0 racer parts lying around and wants to get rid of them. They are: 1 stock looking short block, 1 longblock race motor with a possibly ported head with definitly bigger cam and springs, better intake with a 350-500 cfm 2.BBL carb adapter with carb, an adjustable Esslinger sprocket. and a manual transmission that has an aluminum tail shaft (?) and possibly a headder. He says he needs to get rid of it all to the tune of like $400. It has been sitting for several years and would need a teardown and cleaning at the very least. My friend (A mechanic) eyeballed the stuff and said it looked old but salvageable. I am going to look at it tomorrow.
O.K. I havent given much thought to modding the 2.0 but opportunity just might have knocked. I am only interested in street able HP. I am pretty liberal on my definition of streetable. Just needs to be fairly reliable, drivable, and fun. I have no idea what the compression will be but I'll cc the chambers during the rebuild. How much power could I get with a healthy 2.0 with the parts above? I have an 8" Pinto rear I can put in with whatever gears I want. I will probably convert it to a T-5 and run some 4.11s or 4.30s. Stock HP is 86 and who knows what gets to the wheels.
ive heard the its a built engine story allot but i bout a 80 pinto and got that same old song and dance but i pay 200 for it and needed the engine for my 80 wagon. me and earthquake took it down and it so far has yeled a header a webber and aluminum flywheel and the car had some cahones so maybe. every thing has had very little use.
but to my point the 2.0 is very rare and parted out a compleate 2.0 should bring about 500$ for stock stuff. so the qeston is are u a gamble-n man 400$ is a fare buy in id say
Well Pintony, I think the big cam question is answered. My friend recalls some pretty serious looking heavy duty springs on the "ported" head with the Esslinger sprocket. When I was thinking about 4.11s it was with an overdrive tranny like the T-5 conversion. I think there are a lot more parts in this deal too. My friend mentioned two boxes of stuff that included a flywheel and clutch and other odds and ends. I have 3.55s right now and it's as steep a gear as I'd use on that car with no O/D. My Maverick had 3.70s before I put the 5-Speed in and it was driving me crazy. 70 MPH was around 3600 RPM. Now 70 MPH = 2400 RPM.
Oh and I agree 100 real HP would be just fine. 120 would be my goal though. The 2.0 is just too friggin small. If 2.8 parts were abundant I would do one of those. Hell the 2.3 has 18 more cubes and it's barely enough. I guess I'm a little spoiled on cubes and the torque they bring. Honestly I'd be pleased if I could weasel a 14 second capable car out of this. 15s are OK too. It zipps through the gears pretty good until 4th then it's a pooch. It runs out of breath early too. All that porting a header,cam and intake should put that motor closer to the power band it was really made for.
Thanks for the input Pintony. It's always appreciated.
right on tony. if you can't get into the 15's with a 100-120 then call it a day and give it up
Well I bought it! I could not pass up that deal. Here is what $300 got me. I got a full length header, 1 fresh in the bag 2.0 .040 over forged or hyper u piston short block. 1 assembled long block that was to have been used for a Pony Stock race car (Fox body Mustang). It looked pretty good and seemed to have an aggressive cam due to the heavy duty springs and good valves installed. The head appears stock but maybe a little work in the ports but the casting marks are still there. The intake appears to be a standard 2.0 intake with a 500 cfm 2BBL adapter. The carb is there but disassembled. I didn't know Ford left the stock intake runners so frigging small compared to the intake ports on the head! It's a huge difference. There must be after market intakes that fix this mis match. Also got a (used) clutch and a nice flywheel. On the long block is a Esslinger adjustable cam sprocket and an esslinger dampener. Oh and a stock appearing 4-Speed tranny. He said it had beefy internals but who cares if it doesn't. I saw assembled 2.0 short blocks alone for sale for $700+ so I might have scored pretty good on this one. Only thing is I don't think the header will fit. I have seen ones like it on the Racer Walsh site and I don't think it drops down far enough before it heads for the back :( Oh well I'll buy one that fits.
I want to convert to a T-5 5-Speed. Didn't someone on here sell the parts needed to make the top bolts line up?
Quote from: 69GT on May 18, 2008, 06:08:12 PM....I want to convert to a T-5 5-Speed. Didn't someone on here sell the parts needed to make the top bolts line up?
Sorry no, the top bolts will still be an issue, but I sell the stepped dowel pins that you need for the swap, $30. shipped and insured.
PM me if you want a pair.
BTW: Nice score......
Bill
I'll definitely be getting some of those dowel pins soon. what donor car gives the T-5 most likely to fit? Do any mods have to be made? Or parts bought? They are everywhere around here. Thanks 77turbopinto.
Thanks Pintony. They are plentiful around here. Are there any other issues with bolting up the 5-Speed? I might be getting an 87 Turbo Coupe T-5 for free. I think it has a 3.78 first and a .78 O.D. Is there any input shaft/ Pilot bearing info I should know? There has probably been other threads like this. Just need to know whats involved.
Of course now I discover that I can have my old Ranger 2.3 back for free. It has a mildly ported head and a .420 roller cam. I have a Pinto 2.3 header collecting dust in the garage too. Making/Changing motor mounts will not be too hard for my friend so I Might sell the 2.0 stuff. There are barely any parts available for it. Might keep and use the assembled one and sell the fresh short block, transmission, intake, Esslinger pulley etc. I have not decided yet but the 2.3 appeals to me more. Mostly because I used to have an SVO. And of course they have a ton of after market support.
Dammit!!! I used to go to Tulsa all the time at my old job!!!! :( I really wish I could ride in it. What kind of performance does it get? I do keep seeing those turbo manifolds for 2.0s on e-bay. I'd probably do a blow through type though. I want to fab a carb enclosure. My friend wants to try anyway and he can weld aluminum. I would do a carbed turbo either way.
Pintony. I get the feeling you don't like the 2.3 much ;) I have always been a fan. Tough, easy and almost impossible to kill. I blew my original bolt on modded SVOs head gasket beating a Buick GN by a half car. Drove it 20 miles home with that wonderful oil+coolant milkshake in the oil pan. Then 13 miles to the shop to put the new one in. What about the 2.0 appeals to you so much? I like mine but it's stock and a bit of a pooch on the freeway. What tricks would you do to make mine acceptably fast? If it could make 100 wheel HP I'd probably love it. I have a good amount of turbo know how too. So a T-3 would be a possibility if for some reason I feel I need to really test those tiny disk brakes :accident:
P.S. Not afraid of steep gears and higher RPMs here. I will put a T-5 in eventually.
Thanks!!!
Oops. I mean St. Louis. Drove through there often in the 90s. :fastcar:
Pintony:
I think they are confused by the Ranger Lima 2.0 that was a smaller (Why Ford? WHY?) 2.3 based motor.
Still, What would you do with the 2.0 stuff that I have? I could get a header that fits. Maybe gasket match the stock intake since it is way smaller than the port on the head. The new block seems to have zero decked pistons so it might be close to 10:1 compression.
My current inventory:
The two 2.0 motors, one a fresh short block, Esslinger advance pulley, Head with "good" cam and springs (High RPM??) Oh and a 500 CFM 2BBL and intake.
A 2.3 turbo Bird shortblock.
A N/A 2.3 F.I. motor out of my old 87 Ranger with mildly ported head and a .420 roller cam. Had great power.
A header made for a 2.3 in a Pinto.
At least one turbo T-Bird T-5 transmission.
A Pinto 8" rear out of a wagon with who knows what gears. If i get the T-5 in I'll put 4.11s.
A 72 4-speed Pinto thats really needing more power.
A partridge but it's in an orange tree.
What would you do? All opinions welcome.
Inventory update: I have another 2.0 head for the new shortblock. The guy who sold the other stuff found it in his garage. I will go pick it up Thursday :)
Also. I was going through old threads and discovered that a T-9 5-speed is possibly a direct bolt up deal??? Is this true? If the pilot bearing and trans mount are the same I'm in! I read the T-9 is smaller and has no trans tunnel issues because it's basically the same tranny with a 5th gear added. Shortened driveshafts are no problem here so is this true? Will it bolt to the stock 2.0 bell housing? Pintony? 77Turbopinto?
It just so happens a friend of mine scrapped out an XR4ti a year ago. Took its 2.3 turbo motor for his 75 Pinto. I can have the T-9 if i want it. Also of note, It of course has a bell made to mate it to a 2.3 should I want to put one of those in later.......
Pintony! It happened to me today. I was talking about my Pinto to a co-worker and he insisted the 2.3 head would bolt right up to the 2.0 block. "They are the same motor" He said. I had a hard time convincing him they were different motors from different continents. It started when I told him about my 2.3 with the roller cam and wished out loud I could put a good cheap roller cam in the Pintos 2.0.
I have never owned a 2.0 or a T-9, but I have heard that the bells are interchangable. If they are not, AND the T-9 bell has uses the 'lower' top holes, I sell stepped dowel pins that will make the 2.3 bell work.
I don't know if the T-9 shifter will be located in the same place as the 4spd.
Also, keep in mind that I have read that Merkur owners commonly swap to the T-5 because the T-9s are not that durable.
Bill
Yes the Merkur guys go to the T-5 because the T-9 is pretty much at the limit torque wise even in stock form. A little more boost and an intercooler are murder to them. I was going to run N/A for a while so neither motor should be able to hurt it.
Oh, My question was if the T-9 will bolt to the stock Pinto 2.0 bell housing. Is it the same bolt pattern? Basically will it plug into the back of my current motor and bell (2.0 4-Speed). Is the tranny to bell housing bolt pattern the same. Did you mean I need stepped dowels for that? We will of course measure everything and I'll post progress reports. I'm almost willing to bet a Fox Mustang drive shaft will be about the right length when the 8" is in.
I would save the T-9 to 2.3 bell for another occasion. I figure I will not need stepped dowels since the bell already has the correct pattern for the 2.3. Later if turbos get involved I'll need a T-5+ the T-5/2.3 bell and the dowels.
I'm kinda exited about this. I might be ordering a 2.0 header soon. The "new" 2.0 has a better cam and Esslinger power pulley and cam adjuster. The valve springs look pretty hefty. Might be a high RPM cam. I need to look up how wild Pony Stock motors are allowed to be. My friend says they are limited in cam and compression areas so it might be streetable with a steeper gear and an overdrive tranny to bring the RPMs down on the highway.
Quote from: 69GT on June 05, 2008, 02:30:19 AM
..... Oh, My question was if the T-9 will bolt to the stock Pinto 2.0 bell housing. Is it the same bolt pattern? Basically will it plug into the back of my current motor and bell (2.0 4-Speed). Is the tranny to bell housing bolt pattern the same....
Quote from: Pintony on June 04, 2008, 11:47:19 PM
Yes a direct bolt in if you use the stepped dowls that Bill sells and shorten the shaft.
From Pintony
http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,9611.msg60487.html#msg60487
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Quote from: 69GT on June 05, 2008, 02:30:19 AM
......I'm almost willing to bet a Fox Mustang drive shaft will be about the right length when the 8" is in......
If the T-9 is about the same length as a C4 or T-5.
http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,3008.msg23830.html#msg23830
Bill
Thanks Bill.
Well went to pick up the "other 2.0" head... It turned out to be an old 2.3 round port head with some rust and very nice looking new valves. I have no clue if the old heads are better than the D port heads but I figure they aren't. This guy I bought the stuff from got it from another person who gave up on a race project and he has no clue what he has. He cant seem to tell a 2.3 head from a 2.0 head. Oh well It's no extra charge so I took it. Everything else on the head looked stock but the new valves might be worth having. I need to measure them.
Oh and got a pic of my Pinto up on my profile.