If you live In California, or for that matter in the USA this is important. It will take just one of these bill to pass and they will use it as an excuse for more.
Those crackpots in Sacramento are at it again!
URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Old Car Emissions Exemption Threatened in 8 California Counties;
Hearing Scheduled for April 1
Legislation (S.B. 1549) has been introduced in the California State
Senate by Senator Dean Florez (senator.florez@sen.ca.gov) to repeal
the state's current emissions test exemption for pre-1976 vehicles
registered by new owners in the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air
Pollution Control District. The District includes eight counties in
California's Central Valley: San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Merced, Madera,
Fresno, Kings, Tulare and the valley portion of Kern. Under the bill,
after Jan. 1, 2009, new owners seeking to register a pre-1976 vehicle
in these eight counties would be subject to emissions tests for the
life of the vehicle. S.B. 1549 is scheduled to be considered by the
California Senate Transportation and Housing Committee on April 1, 2008.
We Urge You to Call, E-Mail or Fax Senator Florez and Members of the
Senate Transportation Committee (List Attached) Immediately to Oppose
S.B. 1549
So have you seen the air in the central valley floor lately.... BTW THAT'S THE PROBLEM...SO WHAT! DEAL WITH IT......I hope it will make the auto companies (FORD) to make more parts or at least authorize others to do so. After all Mercedes and BMW continue to support most of their older models......This 10 years and out stuff is BS ..... As for any one wanting to change engines V-8 or turbo just follow the basic rules IE same year or newer and keep the smog stuff.....BTW I own a 1976. And if your car has trouble passing , clean the EGR valve and the carb mounting plate, do a good tune up , and if it smokes change the valve seals. Lastly change the 30 year old cat and your done.....If it still wont pass look at the other smog parts..But they usually are long lasting.....And you can still buy them.
Quote from: turbopinto72 on March 18, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
If you live In California, or for that matter in the USA this is important. It will take just one of these bill to pass and they will use it as an excuse for more.
Those crackpots in Sacramento are at it again!
URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Old Car Emissions Exemption Threatened in 8 California Counties;
Hearing Scheduled for April 1
Legislation (S.B. 1549) has been introduced in the California State
Senate by Senator Dean Florez (senator.florez@sen.ca.gov) to repeal
the state's current emissions test exemption for pre-1976 vehicles
registered by new owners in the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air
Pollution Control District. The District includes eight counties in
California's Central Valley: San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Merced, Madera,
Fresno, Kings, Tulare and the valley portion of Kern. Under the bill,
after Jan. 1, 2009, new owners seeking to register a pre-1976 vehicle
in these eight counties would be subject to emissions tests for the
life of the vehicle. S.B. 1549 is scheduled to be considered by the
California Senate Transportation and Housing Committee on April 1, 2008.
We Urge You to Call, E-Mail or Fax Senator Florez and Members of the
Senate Transportation Committee (List Attached) Immediately to Oppose
S.B. 1549
Hey Brad,
Where is the list?
From Pintony
Howdy folks,
Well, we have been down this road before in the state of perpetual regulation. I personally reviewed all the original SB42 revisions in the late 1990's. I also attended all of the Smog Check 2 hearings, and the MTBE protests in Sacramento. I don't think to this day that any attempt to certify these pre 1976 cars is a significant factor in the issue of air quality.
In fact, the last revision of the classic car exemption froze the model year at 1976 and would not allow any " rolling calender model year " updates to continue as the original revision did in the late 90's. We already have "gross polluter" visual references to smoking vehicles. In fact, the RSD (remote sensing devices) is under yet another revision that will catch the really dirty slackers.
This is another politician looking for a Revenue stream to help fill in the void in a 16 Billion dollar state deficit. If you don't think $4.00 a gallon gas isn't hurting the state coffers or curbing air pollution then you aren't connected to reality.
BTW, We have almost 40 million people now , how many more drivers licenses can we issue... Hmmm?
Pintosopher... facts not fuzzy logic
Well IF California has 40 million then they will add 1.00 to each license and what will that bring in each yerar so the political giants can put it in their pockets?
Oh, I mean reduce the deficit!!!!
;D
Quote from: Pintony on March 18, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
Well IF California has 40 million then they will add 1.00 to each license and what will that bring in each year so the political giants can put it in their pockets?
Oh, I mean reduce the deficit!!!!
;D
Actually the state is already receiving a $8.25 "Smog Inspection Fee" each time a vehicle passes the smog inspection process. So the more vehicles that get tested the more money California gets. Interesting coincidence And where that money goes and what it gets spent on, I haven't a clue. Just disappears into the black hole at Sacramento.
Quit providing social services to illegal immigrants, and deport them. The deficit will be all but eliminated.
Tercin
hi to all i just wish they would leave all of us old car guys alone. i know some of us use the pinto as a dalily driver but alot like myself use it as a weekend or fun car to drive on a good day.i have a 77 wagon and it is tuff to pass every 2 yrs. but it runs great and i put a new carb on this last year it made all the difference.i was hoping it would drop off but that seems like apipe dream. leave the old cars alone please. :P chris in ca.
Quote from: Tercin on March 19, 2008, 08:24:38 AM
Quit providing social services to illegal immigrants, and deport them. The deficit will be all but eliminated.
Tercin
ANNEX Mexico!!
Then all the US companys that just built there will need to pay US taxes again! ;D
Quote from: Pintony on March 19, 2008, 10:20:33 AM
ANNEX Mexico!!
Then all the US companys that just built there will need to pay US taxes again! ;D
We already did.....it's called California!! :lol:
Greetings
Well , for those of you in less populated or less regulated states, count your blessings. We out here in the "left coast" have just about had our legacy of automotive enthusiasm sucked out of our existence. We have some of the best weather to drive in, but some of the most congested and poorly maintained roads in the country. Now the "hacks " of our state government are once again giving us more reasons to flee the state for greater freedom of choice. I wonder, will your states welcome us if we pack it in? I've been through the stereotyping of being Californian and trying to move elsewhere, and had my life and vehicles threatened. It's a real paradox, and I wonder if we should form a new state where automobiles are welcomed and the only real regulation is the sniffer at the pipe, not the amount of visual interpreted O.E.M. junk onboard.
Read the tea leaves my friends, your state could be next..
On the front lines...
Pintosopher
The good thing is both my cars can run on E86 or Alky. The bad news is there is only one gas station in California that pumps E86. The good news is its only 30 minutes from me. So, If I have to I will convert both my cars to "Alturnative Fuel cars". Im sure there will be a lot of folks doing the same. I say we build stills in our back yard to feed our cars and, whith the leftover's we have a party :drunk:
Quote from: turbopinto72 on March 19, 2008, 02:01:30 PM
The good thing is both my cars can run on E86 or Alky. The bad news is there is only one gas station in California that pumps E86. The good news is its only 30 minutes from me. So, If I have to I will convert both my cars to "Alturnative Fuel cars". Im sure there will be a lot of folks doing the same. I say we build stills in our back yard to feed our cars and, whith the leftover's we have a party :drunk:
So what do we plant RICE or Potatoes???
Ugghhh!
I just got back from smogging my wife's ride (2002 MPV) this morning. While it passed, - Yippie -, I noticed that effective of late 2007 all 1995 and older cars now have to pass an evaporative emissions test in addition to the basic rolling smog test on the dyno.
Basically they pressurize the tank and check for leaks in the system. So, for all Californians with 1976 and older Pinto's - BEWARE. And..., oh..., this is an ADDITIONAL $15 test (at least that was the cost at the test station I went to).
And also beware that there is a subjective test for "smoke." If the technician determines that there is ANY visible smoke either from the tail pipe OR the PCV related plumbing you FAIL!
I dare say either these test or the rising cost of gas will likely make car collecting a stationary, museum like hobby.
Have a nice drive - while you still can, Tom