Guys:
I understand that we can "peel the onion" all day on the topic, but in general terms, I have a question about horsepower. Can somebody fill me in on what the horsepower is from:
1) Standard factory 2.3L ?
2) Later 2.3L turbo motor ?
3) BUILT 2.3L potential HP? (and what I am looking for here is street HP, NOT race HP. I realize there are racing heads, like Esllinger available, but I am looking at more of a HP figure givem improved heads, better intake/exhaust, improved CAM, etc.)
Hope these questions are not "too generic", just considering options, THANKS!
Chris
Well, here's my 2 cents on the subject...
1) I believe that the stock 2.3L actually had two different horsepower ratings (earlier and later), but both relatively close to the 88hp mark.
2) As for the 2.3L turbo (as found in TurboCoupes, XR4Ti's, Cougars...) varies depending on the transmission. Stock with automatic 3-speed is only around 140hp, whereas with a 5-speed can push 165-170hp. This all depends on what boost your running as well. Stock boost on automatics is 7#'s where manuals get 10#'s.
3. I've never built one, although I hear that getting into the 200hp mark isn't much problem at all for these. From what I understand, the block is rock solid. Things to do: port the head, valves, intake, exhaust, and I hear that a ranger cam gives you more power at lower rpms.
Now...if you're crazy, this one particular block can be paired with a particular Volvo head (I wanna say it's the B230 head from the early 90's) and throw on a couple of turbos...you'll be pushing 400hp.
Hope that helps!
Quote from: popbumper on January 31, 2008, 10:06:11 AM
1) Standard factory 2.3L ?
2) Later 2.3L turbo motor ?
3) BUILT 2.3L potential HP? (and what I am looking for here is street HP, NOT race HP. I realize there are racing heads, like Esllinger available, but I am looking at more of a HP figure givem improved heads, better intake/exhaust, improved CAM, etc.)
1) 85-ish HP FULL factory stock N/A Pinto 2.3.
2) Full factory stock EFI NON-I/C 150-ish HP. FULL factory stock EFI with factory I/C 200-ish HP DEPENDING on Y/M.
3) IMHO you can get up to 300-ish with "minor" work, but I have heard much higher numbers with more effort. Mine has some mild work done (all factory block and head, but a 'Ranger' roller) and it is as fast as I need it for now (never dyno-ed).
Bill
Here is a good article on the 2.3 turbo. I have used a lot of these on my motor and it reponded well. I have also talked to this guy and he is a pleasure to work with. Almost all his tips are low budget and work great.
http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/Poisonous%20Pinto.htm
2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU,
25Lb boost 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.
No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!
Mike
in my pinto I have the 85 1/2 svo engine factory rated at 205 hp n 240 lbs torque. with a ranger roller cam , bigger intercooler,and bigger exhaust i'm guessing about maybe225 or so..
Quote from: Ford_Pinto on January 31, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
Stock boost on automatics is 7#'s where manuals get 10#'s.
Maybe on the carb or non I/C models, EFI I/C is more like 16-17lbs
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Quote from: map351 on January 31, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU,
25Lb boost 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.
No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!
Mike
25lbs boost with a stock T-3............. ??? I'm guessing thats 340 hp at the motor ??
Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 31, 2008, 10:25:13 PM
25lbs boost with a stock T-3............. ??? I'm guessing thats 340 hp at the motor ??
Yep, it's good enough for.
84 Capri RS Turbo - 1/8th 7.86 at 86.32, 1/4 12.38 at 112.78, Still a T3 @ 3150Lb
Quote from: map351 on January 31, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
2.3 turbo.
Stock short block, ( what rpm did you turn ? )Big valve head clean up the pockets, ranger roller, 55lb injectors, stock T-3, 3" exhaust, Good Ign. system (685 Mallory) 255 pump, PE or LA3 with chip or programer ECU, ( which one was it ? )
25Lb boost ( is this on gas or alky ? ) 340+ Hp and 25+ MPG.
No nasty camshafts,no overheating, no noise, fun to drive!
Mike
My turbo motor is so simple it's a crying shame and it's good for mid 11 second quarter mile runs. It's a true daily driver and very dependable. A turbo is cheap easy HP.
Quote from: CHEAPRACER on January 31, 2008, 09:12:20 PM
Maybe on the carb or non I/C models, EFI I/C is more like 16-17lbs
IF you bypass the BCS or do other modifications you will see those levels; 'Factory Stock' they have much lower boost.
BTW: That also applies to NON-I/C ones.
Bill
Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 31, 2008, 11:24:45 PM
6200/ PE/ pump gas with Torco Accelerator.
The car should be in the high 11s this year..
Quote from: map351 on February 01, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
6200/ PE/ pump gas with Torco Accelerator.
The car should be in the high 11s this year..
So, your telling me your running 25 lbs boost on pump gas with additive?
Quote from: turbo toy on February 01, 2008, 05:33:05 AM
My turbo motor is so simple it's a crying shame and it's good for mid 11 second quarter mile runs. It's a true daily driver and very dependable. A turbo is cheap easy HP.
I think you are over simplifying this. My car runs 11.80s and its not as simple as you would think. You cant just slap a turbo on something and expect to make the 350 hp it takes to run mid 11s.
I didn't say I hadn't done anything to it. All my mods were done by me and anyone can easily duplicate them, and it really is pretty simple. I'm doing a few mor mods to it right now, and when it rolls back out , it should be a low 10 to high 9 second quarter mile daily driver.
Quote from: turbo toy on February 01, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
I didn't say I hadn't done anything to it. All my mods were done by me and anyone can easily duplicate them, and it really is pretty simple. I'm doing a few mor mods to it right now, and when it rolls back out , it should be a low 10 to high 9 second quarter mile daily driver.
Im assuming that your car hooks to a 1.30 ish 60ft then ? Its one thing to have that potential and another to put it to the ground as you im sure know.
How much does the 2300 with the turbo weigh ?
I am still researching what to put in my 72 Volvo P1800 over the next two years.
Some of my picks are:
* 2007-2008 2.0 EcoTech Turbo & IRS from a Sky or Soltice. Stock front suspension would still zoop, but light all aluminum engine would help.
* Complete late model Corvette drivetrain, front suspension, with rear mounted transaxle. The Bomb!
* 2.3 Cosworth Turbo with existing rear end. Doable, a little lighter than the cast head 2.3 Power potential higher.
* 2.3 Turbo Coupe lowest cost option, but heavy front end.
Quote from: map351 on January 31, 2008, 09:58:33 PM
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now you're talkin' !!!
Quote from: turbopinto72 on February 01, 2008, 03:31:12 PM
Im assuming that your car hooks to a 1.30 ish 60ft then ? Its one thing to have that potential and another to put it to the ground as you im sure know.
The car weighs 2525# with me in it on the line. I usually run 1.37 to 1.42 short times. I'm running 11.5X28 ET streets with a 3.97 first gear and a 4.62 rear, so I'm pulling second gear right at the 60' lights.The car dead hooks, pulls the wheels about a foot in the air and leaves. I'm sure that less gear would help the 60' and the MPH, especially in the quarter, but I like the way it keeps the motor buzzed up for the eighth.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/CurtisHensley/Pinto006.jpg)
Hey turbopinto72, since we are running close on the same times, how about a little info on your car and maybe a couple of pics. The best I have run so far is 11.46 in the quarter and 7.26 in the eighth, but they said I have to slow it down or put in a six point bar to run it again. I have made a few mods and I'm putting in the bar, so we hope to improve the times come March.
Under the topic " your racers" go to "72 2.5 turbo pinto" and you can look at some of the pics and specs of my car.
Thank's Brad, that is as nice a Pinto as I have seen. This is the car that helped me make my decission to build a 2.3 turbo Pinto. I commend you on every aspect of the car. The craftsmanship and attention to detail are excellent. Did you ever get a hard, full pass on the car with the good motor in it? It seems it should be an easy enough 10 second car.
Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 01, 2008, 06:56:57 AM
IF you bypass the BCS or do other modifications you will see those levels; 'Factory Stock' they have much lower boost.
BTW: That also applies to NON-I/C ones.
Bill
My 88 Turbo Coupe transplant BCS is factory stock, 10 lbs in regular mode and pushes 17 with factory I/C and 18 with all the piping measured at the manifold (can't figure out how that changed things)in Premium mode, My stock 84 SVO also pushed 17lbs but I bought it used And I didn't know a thing about turbos at age 20 so I can't swear it was stock but I will say it would out run my friends 83 5.0 stripped GL.
Quote from: CHEAPRACER on February 06, 2008, 09:58:03 PM
My 88 Turbo Coupe transplant BCS is factory stock, 10 lbs in regular mode and pushes 17 with factory I/C and 18 with all the piping measured at the manifold (can't figure out how that changed things), My stock 84 SVO also pushed 17lbs.
Both my 86 T/C donor and my 87 T/C donor ran 10 (ish) max., but would 'spike' higher time to time. The 87 would run about 5 in reg. mode. Both cars were 100% factory stock, never messed with.
If the hoses to the BCS are not connected correctly, or if someone else had modified them over the years, it could effect the boost.
Bill
Added: I see you edited your post.
I guess it could be safely said for this subject it's Turboford.org time....But for the guy with the Volvo P1800 I guess you have a need for speed but how about the late model TurboBrick engines......DOHC Rules....As for the Cossie 2.0 not 2.3 unless they have something new...