I updated the page a bit now only 24 pictures of my new 78 Pinto... enjoy ;D
Need to update my personal site so there will be a link to it...
http://www.cookieboystoys.com/78pinto.htm
Not too bad, but just a heads up and in no way am I trying to dampen your new car hi. That speedo is from the wrong year, and has most likely been replaced. 1978 cars had the then federally mandated 85mph speedometer with Kmph in green. IIRC, your car's speedo would be from a 75 or 76 model year car. Still, it's not in too bad a shape for a driver. Besides, mechanical condition is what matters most in that case.
Hey Douglass... Thanks for the heads up on the speedo, I do have my doubts about the milage being accurate. The are a couple inconsistencies I have noticed that make me believe the car may have many more miles on it than suggested or claimed by the seller. The door hinge pins are badly worn and I have to lift up on the driver door to close... I have a hard time believing they would wear out on a "33,000" mile car. Passenger side is getting bad but not as bad. Door hardware all seems loose as well for a low milage car. My 73 with 97,000 miles and some rust before the restore had very solid doors and hardware where this one looks all loose and worn out... There are a couple other items that look pretty worn for a low milage car even if it did sit for a # of years and/or was badly abused.
But on the other hand there are a couple other items that do make me believe it "could be" a low milage car... the radiator hoses have the original Ford clamps on them and look to be original Ford/Motorcraft hoses as well as the alternator belt. Hard to believe they would still be original after 29 years but I do know they don't look like parts replaced in the last 2 years the seller claims he's had the car. There is also the valve cover sticker and engine compartment stickers that look really good that also suggest low miles... I just don't know... I need to ask the seller a few questions before I believe it's a low milage car... to many inconsistencies right now.
I don't really care... I doubt I would restore this one to perfect anyhow... learned my lesson on the 73... to much money and work required. As Tony has suggested and I agree, for a full restore get a better car. This one has quite a bit of body fill (not sure if because of rust or dents - need to ask seller) and I really just want it for a driver. I have a few items I want to fix before I start driving it but as you said... for a driver mechanical condition is more important than milage.
Anyone else notice anything out of place? let me know, won't hurt my feelings... I would rather be informed than not...
My dail-up only loaded 40 or so, but looking good.
I did make note of a few things:
I agree about the gauges. (if you are going that fast you should be looking at the road)
It looks like the carpet padding was left out when the new carpet was installed.
The left door pull looks like it is the early 77 and older with the chrome. If so, the DOORS changed in late 77 to fit the new handles. MINOR work is needed to swap the later into the early cars, but more to go the other way. Still very do-able.
Can't wait to get to my office and get a look at the rest.
I might have a spare blue console.
Bill
All I can say is.... NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Bill, I noticed the lack of padding too and the door pull. I need to go out to where the 80 and 78 wagon are stored and check the extra junk doors I have for some mounting clips as I only have one of the 3 I will need.
The console I'm not to worried about.. I have a center console (between the seats and forward) from a Mustang II I've been trying to find a home for and to use it I need to remove the Pinto one.
and Thanks r4pinto... not to bad for a driver... I'm happy so far ;)
I do not think I have ever seen a Pinto with a 100mph guage..
The early Pinto had 110mph
Maybe someone changed the motor and swapped in the 100 to reflect the miles on the engine not the car???
From Pintony
well.... just had a nice long conversation with the seller about some of the questions I had... Super! nice guy and was very willing to answer questions. He did do a bunch of work to the car to get it back on the road after sitting for many, many years. I can tell just from looking at the car he did put a little "love" into the little Pinto. He is convinced that it was a low milage car and purchased it from the original owner who couldn't drive anymore and that's why it sat for all those years He didn't have any idea about the speedo change and I'm satisfied with his answer to the question. I suppose it's always possible the original speedo gave out on the original owner many, many years ago and was swapped out during it's early life.. he did tell me that he would try to get me the phone # of the original owner and said if I wanted to call and ask them he's sure she would be willing to answer any questions I would have.
If I get the phone # for the original owner I may call just to see if the question can be cleared up... but let's face it... doesn't really matter. It is kind of curious as Tony said... 100mph is kind of odd
I also hope to get some pictures of the car before the paint and body work was done. It used to be a light blue with black vinyl top and some body molding. I can tell there used to be wheel lip molding on the car that isn't there any more. Will be nice to have just for history purposes.
Forgot to mention the staring issue.
The way the switch works is that it will cut over to different 'ignition power' circut when the switch is turned to 'start'. It is fully seperate, and when the key returns to the 'run' postition it goes to the normal 'on/run' circut.
I would swap the igintion switch (electrical) with a know good one; it is located on the top of the steering column down near the firewall.
Bill
Thanks Bill, kind of what I thought too...
BTW all.... I updated the page/link above and now only 24 pics and updated the look to match my personal web site. I still need to update my site to show the link but that's a bit-o-work and just don't have the time right now...
Thanks for looking ;D
I notice you also have rear sun shade option, cool beans. I have often wondered how many of our little ponies actually had that option. Nice score!
Quote from: losin sux on November 12, 2007, 11:03:33 PM
I notice you also have rear sun shade option, cool beans. I have often wondered how many of our little ponies actually had that option. Nice score!
I thought it was kind of cool too ;D
Until seeing the picture of yours I didn't even know they ever had sunshades back there. Nice touch. really cleans it up back there. If only I had found one in that good of shape, but noooo. I had to get a project mobile that had to be towed home, cuz of a bad tranny.
Looking at the dash photo I think I see sand blasting marks???
Is there sand in this car???
From Pintony
Quote from: r4pinto on November 13, 2007, 01:54:43 AM
If only I had found one in that good of shape, but noooo. I had to get a project mobile that had to be towed home, cuz of a bad tranny.
Hey Matt, unless you look long and spend the big money and get really lucky it's hard to get a "perfect" car. After all Pinto's are 27 years old and older. I can see appox $350+ just for the gaskets that need replacing - door, hatch, windshield, beltline that I can spend and I haven't even driven it 2 miles yet. It's a nice start and the price wasn't to bad for what I got so I'm happy. In the end it will depend on the mechanical condition and how many repairs I will end up doing before I can call it a great deal.
After all I'm replacing the 1980 beater I bought last winter and did put a bunch of time and money into with this one in hopes of a better driver. So I do know how you feel...
Quote from: Pintony on November 13, 2007, 02:04:19 AM
Looking at the dash photo I think I see sand blasting marks???
Is there sand in this car???
From Pintony
I think what you see is the overspray from the Macco paint job 2 months ago... the door gaskets are so bad you can see daylight and when it was sprayed a bit leaked through and little white dots on the dash pad... no sand I can see... lot's of overspray though... ;D
Matt,
I agree with CB. They are all money-pits to some degree.
You would not believe what I needed to do to get Connie's car just to be able to drive it: steering rack, tie rod ends, wheel bearing, steering colomn, rag joint, 1 q-glass, rear axle, tires, leaf springs, u-joint, rear main seal, radiator, FULL exhaust, brakes, brake lines, brake hoses, lots of carb. work, tranny cooler line, and maybe a few more things.
Then there was the body/interior: replace both doors, fix the dents and holes in the q-panels, fix the dents in the fenders and hood, FIND parts to replace + replace the wheel lip moldings, grille, and side trim, FIND interior parts+cloth+vinyl.......
Just keep working on yours and learning. If you get another it might have less, more or different issues, but are gaining knowledge (and having fun??).
Bill
CookieBoy,
This is FordPinto.com....Home of the Pinto experts....aaand Ford experts. When I fall into my next Pinto,You can bet your bottom dollar that I will lay that car on the table just as you did to be critiqued,,,,,, that is all the fun and that is what makes us all experts. I might not elaborate though, I might say "Look what I found".
I learned something today.......I learned that Pinto's came with 100 MPH speedos and I sure would like one of those. I'll bet I have the right speedo for your car sitting in the next room and I'll bet it has whatever milage you want on it and I'll bet it has 50 bucks hidden in it somewhere.
Elaborate_Horse
71-74 came with 110MPH speedos also (two different numbering styles)...it went down to 100 in 75 i think, and then 85 after that.
would be interesting if we could verify if it a 1975 speedo... or from what year just for informational purposes.
So people! we need help from owners of 75 and 76 Pinto's... need you to look and check your speedo's and report back if it's not to much of a problem what you have... 110mph, 100mph or 85mph
Thanks ;D
76 bobcat 100mph
phils toys
i just looked and my spare is from a 74 is 100 mph as well
tried to add pic but site will not let me.
Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 13, 2007, 08:44:41 AM
Matt,
I agree with CB. They are all money-pits to some degree.
You would not believe what I needed to do to get Connie's car just to be able to drive it: steering rack, tie rod ends, wheel bearing, steering colomn, rag joint, 1 q-glass, rear axle, tires, leaf springs, u-joint, rear main seal, radiator, FULL exhaust, brakes, brake lines, brake hoses, lots of carb. work, tranny cooler line, and maybe a few more things.
Then there was the body/interior: replace both doors, fix the dents and holes in the q-panels, fix the dents in the fenders and hood, FIND parts to replace + replace the wheel lip moldings, grille, and side trim, FIND interior parts+cloth+vinyl.......
Just keep working on yours and learning. If you get another it might have less, more or different issues, but are gaining knowledge (and having fun??).
Bill
Yeah, I know what you're saying Bill. My first Pinto was in much, much worse shape than this one. The only thing it did better than the 77 is it drove home. Electrical problems, major rust, blown engine, shot interior, missing sunroof panel, busted speedo. Not fun to drive at all. If anything else when I get frustrated with it I always have my turbo Dodge Omni I can go back to. Yeah I enjoy working on it & it's always a big learning experience. Not to mention how it's pictured in my head compared to how it is makes me work even harder to get the car where I want it to be. Although right now I would just be happy to be able to drive it & get the looks. lol
My 77 is 85. The 78 I used to have, someone put in an early year (71- 73 prolly), so I'm not too sure what it was but almost 100% sure it would be 85 as well.
Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 12, 2007, 12:14:10 PM
Forgot to mention the staring issue.
The way the switch works is that it will cut over to different 'ignition power' circut when the switch is turned to 'start'. It is fully seperate, and when the key returns to the 'run' postition it goes to the normal 'on/run' circut.
I would swap the igintion switch (electrical) with a know good one; it is located on the top of the steering column down near the firewall.
Bill
Hey Bill, I stopped at the auto parts store today and one of the guys there said the switch is adjustable? they showed me a picture of the part and the 2 screw holes look to allow for adjustment... and suggested I just try to adjust it... The seller did say the steering column had been changed so could it be possible to adjust the switch and it may fix the problem? what do you think?
I can tell you from experience that the switch is slotted where it mounts to the steering column & can be adjusted. The 78 I used to have had a massive water leak & water leaked into the ignitioin switch in the dead of winter. It was locked solid from the ice. Anyways, I bought a new switch & installed it & had to move it around to get the position right. What I did was turn the key to the "on position & also made sure the switch was in the on position. I then put the ignition rod in the switch & finally installed the switch on the column. When I did that I was able to get it positioned right so I could start the car & have no problems.
After expressing my intrest in a 100 MPH speedo. Phils Toys wasted no time sending me a spare 110 set-up to see if I could use it. Well, It went right in.
I was going to use the matched set of face gauges but I could not because the center dial caps were different but I was able to just snap the one off the fuel side and change it with mine. The one on the speedo is fixed with the speedo dial and would have required considerable surgery. The numbers on the 110 unit and matching fuel guage are D42F-17265 and D42F-9306. The numbers from my stock 77 85 MPH units are D7EF-17265 and D52F-9306.
Also, just for general info...when I did my v8 conversion I kept the same white speedo drive gear ( the one that fits into the trans) in the c4 that it came with...and my speedo has been reading 5 mph higher then how fast I was going...and the spread got progressively higher the faster I went. Well, I finally got around to putting the purple gear back in that was in my c3 behind the v6 and the speed is now reading accurately.
A big Thanx Phils Toys!!!!
High_Horse
Quote from: High_Horse on November 18, 2007, 07:14:47 PM
After expressing my intrest in a 100 MPH speedo. Phils Toys wasted no time sending me a spare 110 set-up to see if I could use it. Well, It went right in.
High_Horse
way to go... the wagon deserves a 110mph speedo. what with the v8 and all ;D
and hats off to Phils Toys for helping' out a fellow in need
I think I'm ready to put insurance on the 78 and start driving it... fixed a few things and all is well and ready. Ignition is fixed and working, fixed an upper heater line, mounted the door pull, fixed the passenger window crank, swapped tires with the 77 wagon, replaced the neg. battery cable and mounted a new battery, flushed the radiator... twice, and filled with fresh antifreeze 30 below+, found all the parts to my mustang II center console and mounted for fit, checked all the lights... gads I'm pooped...
I also charged up the battery on my van... seems I have a draw on the battery someplace and it's killing the battery. I disconnected the neg. battery cable and put a test light between the neg battery cable and the neg post on the battery... lit right up. I didn't have time to troubleshoot so I just left the neg cable loose... it's parked for the winter anyhow.
Only thing I didn't get done was new door hinge pins... that's a job for another day.
Quote from: High_Horse on November 18, 2007, 07:14:47 PM
After expressing my intrest in a 100 MPH speedo. Phils Toys wasted no time sending me a spare 110 set-up to see if I could use it. Well, It went right in.
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A big Thanx Phils Toys!!!!
High_Horse
you are welcome . Glad i could help.
Phils toys.
PS wait till you get the bill Christmas is coming and i have 5 children and a wife to buy for........... :hypno: :surprised: :hangover:
CookieBoy,
Some vehicles draw a little bit of juice when the ignition is off so a test light that comes on is not uncommon. Some batteries are packed with lead cells and last a good seven years some batteries are lean on cells and last 1.5 years. Generally a lean cell battery will go bad when it starts to get cold out like Oct. Nov.....Like clock work. I would place a volt olm meter across the terminals and see if it has a shorted cell or charge it up for a little while and see if it dischargers rapidly...(1 to 2 volts in 10-15 minutes).
Phils Toys,
The kids I can handle. ;D
High_Horse
High Horse... all I know at this point is 5-7 days and it's dead and the battery is less than a year old. We have been unusually warm for this time of the year, temps haven't dropped below 20 yet ??? ;D
I might look into it this week but have a bunch of other stuff I have to do so it may wait. I'll just add it to the list of other small items I need to do to it come spring...
Well I took it for it first big ride... Whooop!! Eeeeee!!
A little intown driving and even got it out on the highway a bit. Seemed to do OK, I just wish it wasn't getting colder and chance of snow for the next couple days. Don't really want to drive it if it's snowing and messy...
CONGRATS!!
Bill
Very nice looking 78. I noticed your timing belt cover is missing too. My 78 is also missing it's cover. Are they prone to fall off, break off, get lost, get stolen or what? Kind of low priority on the parts list anyway. Oh yeah, Pintos may be money pits but like someone told my wife: "at least he's spending time and money on his car and not some blond bimbo." No offense to any blonds or bimbos.
Quote from: SeanP on November 20, 2007, 11:17:38 PM
I noticed your timing belt cover is missing too. My 78 is also missing it's cover. Are they prone to fall off, break off, get lost, get stolen or what?
It was plastic and falling apart.... crumbling would be a better description. I think I have an extra metal one around here someplace...
hi cookieboy i looked at your 78 and you have the same bumpers as my 77 wagon.itll look good on your as well. have you seen the neg batt termainals with the green knob to turn off the juice. i have one on my wagon and it works well to keep the battery up. just a thought chris
Quote from: chrisf1219 on November 21, 2007, 10:27:46 AM
hi cookieboy i looked at your 78 and you have the same bumpers as my 77 wagon.itll look good on your as well. have you seen the neg batt termainals with the green knob to turn off the juice. i have one on my wagon and it works well to keep the battery up. just a thought chris
Yes Chris 77 and 78 use the same bumpers, I wanna see your's with the lower spoiler you added. I looked at the Aerostars on Ebay and think I know which one you used... I would just like to see pictures of it mounted.
I just checked w/the auto parts store and they have the turn off switch for batteries you mentioned.... cool, may need to get one ;D
Update!!! Started the Interior Restore/Fix Up
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