Pinto guys and gals,
It is time to do the interior. The complete interior. Over the next few months or eternity(whichever comes first) I will be chicken scratching at this project and doing a High_Horse interior. I will document things as clearly as possible for all here at FordPinto.com. I am not an expert and the only thing that I plan to have done by someone else is reupolstering the seats. As you can see the stock interior is tan I will be changing that to gray. Nuff said.
High_Horse
#226
Some more pics.
I will start with the Headliner. First I replace the heat/noise insulation in the three sections encompassed by the body channel. Then I prepare the Headliner for modular installation.
I then place the Modular Headliner assembly carefully into place just below where it will be when elevated. I then begin the process of snipping,clipping,screwing and fitting this modular unit into position.
very cool headliner, who makes it, cost, colors ect?
78Pinto,
The Headliner material is actually a thin carpeting that I purchaced at Home Depo and comes in about 6 general colors. It is called Perfection carpet. It is very thin ( like 3/16ths or less of an inch). I am going to use the same stuff for other parts of the interior as well like the door skins and maybe the seats. The assembly technique I employed with adhesive,backing,stringer attatchment is my own brew. I may need to make some adjustments. These adjustments will allow me to gain a finished measurement of of the headliner template and proof that my brew will hold up. I would be happy to pass this recipe on to others if it's preformance is verified. Anybody interested should let me know they are and as soon as the results are in I can begin to pass the recipe on.
High_Horse
#226
what is that black finish panel on the passenger side under the dash, directly under the glove box? i dont think i have ever seen that before.
Skrach,
That is a stock dash extension that was used to hide the a/c unit. That is the only part of the a/c configuration that I kept.
High_Horse
#226
Here is a picture of the maplight that I have been holding onto for years in anticipation of one day installing. The pictures show it's stock blue color and then painted gray.
Pictured here is the maplight installed in its proper location. Also, pictured are Pintony, Original74 and myself taken in front of ThunderPinto with Pintonys new acquisition pictured in the right background.
no picture? EDIT: you got it now!
Well, I'm pulling the panels out and have removed the rear glass and just generally cleaning things up. I have decided,based on a suggestion by Pintony to go with a one peice tinted Lexan to cover the two window openings. It will fit within the parimeter of the existing body trim which will stay.I assume it will be lighter as well and I will use the same material for the rear window.
The seats are out and the old carpet was so fragile that a box knife was almost not needed. The carpet padding that I used held up well but I am still removing it to see how the anti-rust coating held up. It held up well. So, armed with my scraper, removal of the carpet padding continues..........
Dashboard here I come.........A pic of where I had installed rear speakers (5 by 7) when I had a back seat. This location will likely be changed considering I am going with a no backseat configuration.
Finally getting some paint in there......Gonna try the shiney thing......Look out 78Pinto here comes Shiney_Horse.
go for it!
Putting a little work into sizing up a set of door skin backings. I'm not going to use those plastic retainers, I am going to screw them up.....
Finished the preliminary work on the sun visors and mounted them (trying to get some of the detailing done because I have parts all over the place) I used the same material that I used for the headliner. I will be searching the local craft shop for some edging to enhance the liniar detailing and so I can find them because they seem to blend in really well.
Got a chance to work on some insets for my door skins. They are going in that empty space to the outside of the arm rests.......
Decided to go with black armrests...........
thats freaking sweet! :amazed:
After removing the old padding chunks,adhiesive and drying it out, I coat the floor with a Rust arrester called Extend. The left side is done and dry, the right side is freshly applied.
After the Extend is thoughly dry I replace the factory seam sealer with new. In this case I am using a regular 35 year Acrylic/Latex general purpose caulk called Alex Plus and made by Dapp. I am using White as so it is easy to see where I have done.
Special Note > While slopping this stuff about the floor I felt it would not hurt to fill the floor corrigations as I felt it would add a measure of resonance and sound deadening qualities that certainly would compliment rigid motor mounts.
High Horse,
Your ingenuity and attention to detail continue to be an inspiration to me :yinyan:!
Pic#1>>>Well here goes the carpet padding.
pic#2>>>4 Hours later and allot of good excercise. Bingo Done. Layed like a decal.
pic#1>>>>Beginning the rough installation of the back seat storage pod...
Pic#2>>>>All the sizing is done and the cover cut to shape...3 hours of Pinto bliss.
Notice.....the Canadian styling.
wow, looking good buddy!
Pic#1>>>>Wow, The carpet arrived today. It took less then a week. I got the Medium Grey.......
Pic#2>>>>Pictured at the top is a hind veiw of the vertical part of the boxing that will occupy the back seat area. The holes are cutouts for the speakers. Pictured at the bottom is the duel battery holddown system taylored to specifially hold 7.250" high batterys in the spare tire compartment as this seems to be the lowest commonly sized bats that can be found. Notice that the back section of the car has undergone coating to prevent rust and vapor penetration.
Pic#1>>>Cleaned,Degreased,Rust Coated,Painted and lubed. These seat rails are ready to go.
Pic#2>>>After a painstaking masking session the dashboard is finally painted>>>Ford gray.
Pic#1>>>Fabricated the battery base locater for the battery compartment. Using padding to fill in between the tire well base corregations then a 1/4"peice of masonite for the batts to sit on which is adhered to a 1" peice of polytyrene insulation cut out for the batts to fit into. Also this combination has been cut to the same radius graduation from vertical to horizontal at the bottom of the tire well.
Pic#2>>>Covering the front face plate for the storage pod. Also, installed the protective mesh for the speakers. Special note...Am using 4 magnets to keep the lid closed. They are located evenly spaced and inserted in notches cut into the plywood. They are fastened with black RTV and then covered with the carpet.
Pic#1>>>Carpet time...Put in.
Pic#2>>>Priliminary fit up.
Looks Great! So what do you think of the carpet now... mine is still in the box.
CookieBoy.
The most important thing was the molding job, and I give it a 10. The carpet sports every little detail of the flooring. They also left plenty to trim off, not that much needs trimmed. As I put in my own padding I had to remove the padding they put on. But I ordered it without any, any way,so I don't know why it was there. Also, the front padding was not put into the mold straight when pressed with the adheisive so it was kinda overlapped and crooked. That corner on passenger front side front had to come off (anyway) and be readhered if I were to use it. I would not take it out of the box and attempt to put it right in. Take it out about a week earlier and work out the wrinkles and check your padding to be sure it's properly in place.
High_Horse
#226
Sounds Good! thanks for the tips... gonna be awhile before I get to put mine in but glad to hear all is well w/yours.
Pic#1>>>Put a little time into augmenting the bottom battery locater with some structure.
Pic#2>>>Finally completed the battery compartment lower locator. The padding is installed on the underside (can't see) and all has been coated with final gray. Notice the carpet inserts that the batteries will sit on. Purdy yet functional.
Pic#1>>>Well, I got goofing around again and decided to roll my own door threshold strips. I was going to use a rubber face but went with some peices of headliner material. The thresholds are mild steel with a rust preventer and then the material adhered, folded over the outside edge and butted up to the interior carpet.
Heavy Duty.
Pic#2>>>A different shot. It's the details that make the job detailed.
Lookin GREAT High Horse. MUCH better than mine, for now anyways. I like that you found a good use of school books too ;)
Pic#1>>>Assembled the pod front and put in the side panels to be able to get a finish cut measurement on the Pod cover. It will have a 1/2" gap as so the carpet can be adhered around and under the covers edge.
Pic#2>>>The cover will be held down by 8 magnets(4 on lid, 4 on faceplate) The Pic shows the top magnet in position being adhered to the cover with RTV. Also indicated is the position of the corrosponding faceplate magnet which has already been adhered and covered with carpet. There won't be any rattling going on here.
Pic#1&2>>>Spent the day working on dashboard stuff. Painting glove box door and ash tray. Also removed the steering column and painted the cowling, lubed the bearings and generally inspected it. I removed the ignition switch and steering lock. I really don't want that switch there anymore, (maybe I don't want to scratch the paint job) so I am going to do something different.
Horse, Lookin SWEET! A few Q?? tho. If you move the Iggy switch, what are your plans for the hole in the column? Also That gloss grey looks mighty spiffy on the dash & such, is it an automotive body paint? (IE: duplicolor or such) I did the interior on my '74 2 years ago & the fabric I used faded out BAD!
CrazyHorse,
I am not going to ruin the intergrity of the ignition cowl on the steering column, I am just going to put in some rubber grommets to close up the holes. The paint i am using for the dash is Dupli-color NEW FORD GRAY #DE1611, Engine Enamal with ceramic. Seemed like hard stuff and it can be scotch brighted and re-sprayed without curdling as iv'e done with the glove box cover. The carpet i am using is exterior grade and althought anything fades in direct sunlight after time I will be making an effort to keep the sun off of it.
Seat-of-the-pants_Horse
Pic#1&2>>>Covered the pod lid with carpeting. The lid uses a third type of fuzzy carpet that is halfway in shade between the floor carpet and headliner and will extend to the back of the car. The inside of the cover uses the same stuff as the pod front plate and headliner etc. This cannot be differentiated by the pictures. I need now to make some type of lid holder prop rod thing.
High_Horse
Pic#1>>>This is a mockup of where I am going to put my guages, Fan switches,Ignition switch arrangement and whatever else might be comming down the pike. I will move the temp. plate back up on the dashboard to the right of the speedo cluster.
Pic#2>>>Had to taper it off. It's just to boxy looking.
Pics1&2>>>From mockup to reality. Masonite/RTV construction with a steel flat face.
The point of that is? ???
QuotePic#1>>>This is a mockup of where I am going to put my guages, Fan switches,Ignition switch arrangement and whatever else might be comming down the pike. I will move the temp. plate back up on the dashboard to the right of the speedo cluster.
High_Horse
Pics1&2>>>Spent the better part of today covering (I'm going to call it a control head) the control head. It is pictured along with the stock insert. Notice it is a little longer to hide wires a better.
Very Nice! High Horse, that will look good filled w/gages and such. Just for "snits and giggles" you should set the ignition up something like this...
1) flip a switch
2) turn a knob
3) push a button
then..
4) pull a knob to start (once started let go of the knob and it sucks back in)
now that would be cool (OK.. maybe a little silly and a bugger to setup) but when people see you start it... it will make em' think... ;D
Thanks CookieBoy,
I am always into thinking of doing things trick....I love trick. Yah. Kind of a combination ignition. Here is a trick thing for you. Now that my ignition key tumbler is removed I was thinking of using the hole for the tach. mount. Anyway, one thing you will see in all my work is "Ease of Maintenance".
High_Horse
Excellent idea on the tach mount... gives the hole left behind a purpose.
Pic1>>>Installed tach.,water temp.,oil press., two fan switches and vacuum gauge into plate. Note ...That is a Sun tach. that I bought when I was 19...it finally found a place. Decided against the trick tach. mount for now and may just put the key switch back in for now and will play with it when I have more time.
Pic2>>>Cut the carpeting for the rear and storage pod. Painted the rails that hold the rear panels in place(not pictured).
I'm starting to see the theme....looks good.
Frank
Thank you FCanon
High_Horse
Man now that looks great. one of these days I will be that far. I like the gage set up you built it looks like it was suposed to be there. I am planning to use the mounts on my trans. tunnel to mount a Alpine flip up screen unit and use the original radio hole for the gages. Well at least that is the plan for now anyway. Keep up the great work. Joe
Thanx Pintossssssss,
High_Horse
Pic#1>>>1640 Cranking amps.
Pic#2>>>Cut out the battery compartment cover. Not painted.
Pic#1>>>Battery comp. cover down. Special note...Lucked out and found a set of side panels (blue) in excellent condition. Mine were badly sun baked. Yeah!!!
Pic#2>>>Looks even better finished.
Hello High_Horse,
Your ideas are coming together and looking GREAT!!!!!
From Pintony
Pic#1>>>I wonder how this would look painted on that cover.??
Pic#2>>>We will see just how permanant those markers really are. The carpet being used for the battery cover is more like a tweed. The surrounding carpet is a cut pile.
not sure how you would get the paint to stick to the carpet but I like it.
BTW... Looking Good !!
Just a note to say that I am currently working on the bucket seat reupholstery......yes......I am going to try to do this myself, which, I thought I wasn't going to do. I guess I just had to experience it. I ran a test article to see what is what. I will post pictures as soon as I have something to show.
High_Horse
Well had to take a break from the Pinto today. My son and I installed a new intake manifold on his 97 Crown Vic P71 P.I. Twas a nice way to spend the day.
High_Horses
Pic#1>>>Been plugging away and rough finished the buckets.
Pic#2>>>The buckets shown along with the cut patterns for the seat backs.
Pics1&2>>>Crossed a major milestaone and sat in it. Hand stitched using 10lb test fishing line. Ha!! The driver seat is roughed.
As soon as I remove a bunch of tools from the Interior boom there is another set right back in there. I wired the gauge panel ( not shown yet) and am getting to the wiring. Decided not to change the ignition position so I am cleaning and lubing everything for reinstallation. It occured to me while looking at (what I call) the Control head, that I did lengthen it(could have been longer still)towards the firewall when I built it as to hide things better. But it looks like a fine nondistructive place to put a forward set of speakers. Five inchers would fit easily, 5 by 7's if it was a tad longer. I had my driver seat in to feel it out and I am glad I tried my hand at rolling my own seat upholstry. They match,they breath and they feel real nice to sit in foam wise.
High_Horse
The final hurdle on this interior job is at hand....It is the dashboard cap. I decided to try to recover my existing cap myself. So upon examination it was evident that the vinyl covering was going to let go of the foam fairly easily but in some spots a 1/2 inch wood chisel was used for seperation. The foam is important.
After a successfull seperation it was apperent that the vinyl had shrunk spitting the foam. The foam was in good plyable condition with no disintegration. Good. I do have two cracks to deal with. Oh. Using black RTV I apply a thin preliminary thin coat to the foam (which sinks nicely into the porus foam) to insure containment and shape.
The entire back edge of the dashcap foam closest to the windsheild had curled up so I employed a splint and clamped the cap to it and will apply RTV hopefully returning it to it's original position.
Finally completed the coating of the dashcap with two thin coats od silicone RTV. Now to cover Hmmmmm?
looking good high horse, the person who did mine used a non-reflective/sun resistant vinyl (don't want shiny in the eyes) and a heat gun to help mold it to the dash pad during the gluing and stapling. Don't use vinyl that is real thin or every little bump will show but also don't use to thick as it will be hard to work with and mold.
CookieBoy,
Thanks for the input. But I am really trying to stay with the tweed. Covering the dash foam with RTV gasket silicone worked really well and I am sure it will preserve the dashcap integrity for a long time to come but one problem....Nothing sticks to silicone but silicone. LOL. So here is my plan. I am going to cut the tweed into 1 inch squares( keep it mind that the tweed has a grain pattern) and stick them to the dash in a checkerboard fashion using gray silicone RTV as the adheisive. Kinda like a Mosaic. Isn't there anything about this that is easy.
High_Horse
You do some seriously good work Horse! I took a lot of shortcuts doing my dash. Now I'm paying for it with sun fading.
If the tweed has any stretch to it you can still lay it over the cap in one piece. Since you used RTV you can "sew" it down into the contours with your fishing line. I used 3m spray glue on mine, but I also used fleece as the covering material.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/crazyhorse001/misc/DS2_0171.jpg)
That pic is the day I finished it.
CrazyHorse,
Thanks for the input. And your points have undergone serious consideration. This carpet is exterior grade but I do plan to cut a cover that will be in place when the dash is not being displayed. To many don't cut a cover till their dash is bad. Also, During a discussion with Pintony, the subject of dirt and dust penetration was explored. After the squares are installed I will be vacuuming and fluffing the carpet to clean and enhance the checkerboard texture. Then I will be coating/sealing it with a clear vinyl spray, just enough to seal it but not as to loose the texture because it important to match the interior. And hopefully it will enhance the cherkerboard effect. The tweed has minimal stretch as I found out when I tried to adhere it to the silicone shell with 3M adhesive. So recovering is not an option without removing the exhisting cover. By the way I like the way you extended your guage hood I wish I saw that before I got this far. I'd rather be doing and engine.
High_Horse
The completion of this dash covering is at hand. It is just the outside edges that need to set and I can get on with the surface processing. It required the placement of over 330 1 inch squares and a triangle upon occation.
if you are looking for sound deadner, try using DYNAMAT. when i did my 79 4x4 i used it on the doors, floor, and behind the bench seat wall. the shtuff works great and can really take the contours of the floor. In your wagon, the walls under the back glass would be ideal. also the rear fenderwells. the mat is about an 1/8" thick. tony v.
Tony V,
Thanks for the advice. I will look into Dynamat.
Finished the DashCap. I brushed the carpet gently with a hairbrush and took the supervac to it. Sprayed the first coat of clear on it and found that the fibers were collecting spray beads...NO GOOD!! Grabbed the wallpaper joint roller and rolled the beads away but not without lifting some fuzz cause it was tacky. NO GOOD!!! Dipped the roller into some solvent and was able to press the fibers in to stick...Done, first coat.
Second coat proved that if I spray real close like 1 inch there are minimal beads...Hit it with the solvent roller and worked it till dry to the touch but not so tight as to flatten the texture of the carpet.
Third coat.. Finished the can...Rolled gently with solvent roller till set. The seams went together nicely,no hairballs and no fuzzy apperance...Whew.
High_Horse
Now that I got the dash cap done and installed, I can get on with it. Today I spent the morning getting the wiring worked out and back together...like making sure everything is plugged in and the light bulbs all work. Also, I am finally hooking up these two mini Johnson control gauges that have been in the car forever and never hooked up. Ha!!! They are 0-30 psi and I am going to use them to read Water Pressure and Fuel Pressure, just a set of unlit quick referance troubleshooters. What the heck.
Finished the speedo cluster....onward and sideways.
The Comfort control turned out better then I expected considering that I processed it without taking it apart. But I better make it snappy if I am going to make the Central Regional PCCA Pinto meet in Tulsa, Oklahoma June 14th through the 17th.
High_Horse
Let my clueless self in. What is your emerging theme? Battleships? "50s electronic test equipment?
Not that any of us ever painted our homemade model rocket launch equipment gray to make it look more NASA, milspec, or official back when we were kids.
:accident:
Pictured below is a sheet of smoked gray acrylic 1/4 inch thick plexiglass that I am going to use to fashion cruising wagon panels with. I called the guy and ordered some custom cut molding that I will use to inset this plexiglass with. I went with a smoked gray tint because my car will ultimatly be painted white and it needs to match the 50's test equiptment....I mean interior.
hey high,car is lookin good. duplicolor makes fabric die. you could really freak out with the pony you painted on the rear carpet. wont fade that bad in the long run either. keep hammerin at it, it looks like its all coming together. tony v
Thanks Tony V,
Yah! I picked some up in black but have yet to follow though like you say. I also want to add the v8 like I have on my avitar <-----. I picked up the molding today for the plexiglass and am going to try to get the panels installed. That will be the light at the end of the tunnel and I can start hitting the details. I lost a weeks worth of Pinto due to an unexpected bersitis issue...ouch.
High_Horse
So, this is my question, now. How much has all this cost, i am currently doing the interior in mine and have only spent about 500 (i bought brand new seats) and the back part of the carpet. I tried spray canning the inside, and its not bad, but it's not great either, it scratches easily so i may end up redoing all of it with automotive grade paint. and my dash needs to be entirely replaced or a dash cap, either way that will be a bit pricey.
Thoraxethree,
The tweed carpeting for all 100,the floor carpet 130,carpet padding 25, spray paint 25,guages fittings and copper tubing 100,chalk and rtv 25, snaps and snap tool for seats 25, padding for seats 100, a 4 by 8 sheet of 1/4 inch masonite for doors,control head and battery compartment cover 15, plexiglass 130, rubber molding and glue 30, plywood 10, screws,hinges and angle 25, misc and gopher gas 60,
Wagon back panels from bobcat 30. That is 730. What kind of new seats did you get?
High_Horse
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They fit but with little room for error, i actually had to re-drill the holes two times to get it to fit right. I also had to make a bracket for them. And, if you can help it, don't do it by yourself, it was hell for me.
Thoraxethree,
I seriously considered getting a set like that but being from the roll your own generation I had to pass and get to know my seats better. I have gotten interested in the seats and dashes to the point of wanting to experiment with them further to provide Pinto guys (only) with a good seat and dash alternative. I appriciate your response on the other tread and will be getting back with you. Those are nice seats.
High_Horse
Finally got around to begin fitting up the plexiglass panels. Pictured is the cardboard template.
Trimmed up the template according to body lines, contact points and door opening and I guess I lucked out. Shimmed 1/8th inch from the roof gutter and made it precisly past all the window reccess radi. The stiffness of the acrylic was not beyond flexing to get it to fit better then I expected and it is set to form to it's new contour.
I thought it to be important to show the retainers. Stainless steel 10-24 button head phillups against stainless button washers. I drilled the acrylic 0ne size smaller then 3/8s and fit in rubber collars that reduced to 3/16th. I fit o-rings inside the button washers to hold against the acrylic. I thought this would be good to allow for the expansion differential and water sealing. I will use simple vulcanized rubber to seal the acrylic to the body.
Finally got the painting done on the passenger door and frame. This allowed me to get that pesky headliner molding in that runs all the way to the back and that cover that hides the spring assembly for the wagon hatch. Today I installed the door skin, armrest and handles. Yessssss!!!! Just 22 things on the list before Tulsa.
looking good !! 20 day and 22 things.. you can do it !!
High_Horse, you've done a great job on the interior! You have been keeping yourself busy! Jeff
Well I've got my countdown checklist taped to the windshield. And here is a shot of the driver seat in...I have yet to assemble the back of the pass seat but all parts are ready.
Hurry_Horse
That. Looks. SO. Cool. Period.
Well this is not an interior part but I'm in the mode to get this baby ready for Tulsa and that ment my front spoiler and air dam. I took it off when I did the v8 conversion and although I drove the car for half a year testing it out I always felt like my garage door was open without it. Another thing scratched off the list. Yessssss!!!!!!
Got the dash completed and set the plexiglass on the passenger side....nothing like pulling that sticky covering off of a virgin piece of plexy. I better get snappy it looks like CookieBoy has left the building.
High_Horse
WOW, thats all that i have to say. Can't wait to see it with some color on the outside!!! And the interior is superb as well. Good job!
Wow! I can't wait to see this in person... 6 more days ;D