What do you have to do to swap a 2.3 engine for a 2.0?
Can you use the stock frame mounts?
I just bougth a 72 with a 2.0 and It came with an extra 2.3 engine(and a trailer of stuff ) and an cast iron head ported and large valves ect from Esslinger.
Is it a pain to fit the 2.3?
Thanks for your answers
A "down the road" project that I have is placing a turbo 2300 w/auto tranny in a 71 Sedan.
Although I haven't studied it closely, my first guess is that you will have to change the motor mounts. Not that hard if you have access to cutting tools and a mig welder. Keeping the right drive train geometry, (up - down, left - right), would be a factor to carefully consider before welding in the new mounts.
If you have an eight inch rear differential I would choose to use it in place of the 6 & 3/4.
Depending upon what you choose for a transmission may necessitate some mount modifications or mount placement for that.
After that you may have to make up a driveshaft for your particular combination.
Nothing, that I would bet many in this forum have already done, that should be all that hard.
Al
Heres a photo of the 74 mounts in early car.
Those sure look like 2300 mounts to me. They sure are not any two liter that I've ever seen. This is in a 74 right?? ??? ,, as that's when i think the 2300's came out.
Your best bet would probably to compare bolt patterns on the engine block as well as the mounts themselves. I think that you'll find they are located differently from front to rear.
You may also want to look in the FAQ section in this forum. I'll bet you will find something in there to help. The Projects and General Talk also, you just have to spend some time and do some diggin'
Unless I got it backwards, (as I more often that not do), and your looking to put the two liter back and take the 2300 out. ::)
Al
The mounts on the frame are different for sure but I havent seen a 2.0 up closely so I dont know if the mounts from the motor are the same. If not you should be able to find motor mounts easily. But you will definitely have to weld knew mounts from a 2.3 pinto onto the frame.
Here's a question to consider. If you look at the rack & pinion hold down strap in the picture, (on the right hand side), it looks to me as though it's the eariler version. 71/72 for sure, not sure about the 73's.
Didn't the 74 and later versions have two bolts securing the steering unit located from the front?
My guess is that this vehicle was converted from 2 to 2.3 already. I don't think the 2.3's were an option in 73.
Al
That is a photo of a owner modified 2.3 in where a 2.0 was. I still have not been able to talk to someone who has done it themselves. When I do I will share photo's procedures ect with you all. With how popular this swap is I am sure someone has made a photo story of the swap.
I do not think I will do it with my Blue 72 because the car is just too straight to start welding on ect. I will save my 2.3 race stuff until I get a 74 or later.
If you go to " Your Racers" and look up " 72 2.5 Turbo Pinto" then go to page 2 and 3 you will see my 72 with 2.3 motor mounts in it.
Thank You Very Much. That was exactly what I was looking for. So you leave the stock crossmember in place. Remove the stock 2.0 mounts off of the crossmember area...Weld in the new mounts.
Sounds like ,bolt the engine and trans in the car at the trans mount and let the engine tell you where to weld the mounts in. Would a level on the carb mounting surface do for determining the position of the bracket?
Thanks again for taking the time to post those photos. THey should be in a thread in the How To section. Great post!
Dave
Hello Dave,
The stock motor mount for the 2.0 has 2 bolts each.
Use those holes to position your 2.3 mounts and weld down the sides of the mount for extra strength.
The 2.0 mount is spot welded so you will have to drill out the spot or use a chisel to cut the welds to remove the old 2.0 mount.
From Pintony
Thanks PintoTony!!! It was your lead that got me this car and engines..and STUFF. My measuring tape is heating up! Thanks again, Dave in Az.
OK guys, After todays info and talking to Esslinger I have decided to put the 2.3 in the 72. I need the motor mounts that I have to weld on the frame and the brackets on the engine...Anybody want to sell me some?? I have the photos posted of what I need. Thanks. Dave in Az.
Other side
When all is ready, it sure makes life a lot easier if you have a bare block, (minus the internals, externals and cylinder head), to use as a locating unit after it's bolted to your transmission. It's a lot easier to move around and you have a nice flat surface for your level for side to side layout, plus with a protractor and level you can get a better idea of your engine/tranny angle in regards to the rear differential after your transmission mount is located.
I had to move the passenger side motor mount in my 72 Runabout due to a header conflict and that's what I did.
Granted I only had to move one side and the rest of my drive train was already installed, driveshaft included.. I could have raised the location a tad taking into consideration lost weight but I didn't as I had the driver's side in the original position to locate from and two new pads to use. Two liter pads have a good measure of room to move between their mounts. Your case may or may not require some consideration in this area if you choose to use a bare block for your install. Looking at the pics it seems as though the 2300 pads/mounts are tighter than the 2000 so it wouldn't make a difference.
What do you think folks ?
Al
Pintony, you mention earlier in this thread to take the 2.0 motor mounts out and use the holes to line up the 2.3 mounts and then weld them on. What kind of relationship should the 2.3 mounts have in regard to these other holes? Thanks
Adam
Quote from: wantapinto on May 17, 2006, 11:19:30 PM
OK guys, After todays info and talking to Esslinger I have decided to put the 2.3 in the 72. I need the motor mounts that I have to weld on the frame and the brackets on the engine...Anybody want to sell me some?? I have the photos posted of what I need. Thanks. Dave in Az.
Those mounts are from my car. I also lowered the mounts so I could clear the TB etc with the hood shut.
So you didn't move them any more forward or rearward, just down? Thanks for the info
Adam