What is this mystery thing and what does it do? The belt is very worn out but I'm not even sure what it does. (http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg487/jvonmuncher/IMAG1081_zps32dc31a5.jpg)
I know, I know what this is!!!
It is a smog pump!!!! Mine was loose and making a funny noise!!!
I wish we did not need these stupid things....
Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on January 03, 2013, 10:31:35 PM
I know, I know what this is!!!
It is a smog pump!!!! Mine was loose and making a funny noise!!!
I wish we did not need these stupid things....
Hehehe.. How I love living in Ohio where we do not need those stupid things... ;D
Oookay! I thought that could possibly be what it was but wasn't sure. I'm in Alabama so it can go ;D
You guys are rubbing this in!!!! The smog pump, probably many of those vacuum lines....can go
Your car will run better and get better gas mileage!!! Ohhhh, I'm getting sick...
If you want or need to maintain the stock appearance without the drag on the engine take the pump apart and remove the thin plastic vanes that "pump" the air. The unit looks correct but with out the vanes there is no resistance on the engine.
Do not be so sure that the engine will run better with out the smog equipment..
Could it possibly hurt performance?
The smog pump is designed to add air to the exhaust to help with emissions. If you take that away,(and if conditions are right) it could possible lead to a cat failure which in turn could restrict exhaust flow causing the fuel mileage to get crappy etc etc etc. If you don't have emissions in your state and your going to remove the smog pump also remove the cat.
Okay. I believe the cat to be original so I'll either remove it or replace it. Depending on what I do with the smog pump.
Ok. I figured you have to prep or do other things when you remove the stupid smog system. Unfortunately you just can't rip it out!!! Weeeeee!!! I would love to do that!!!
Because the A.I.R (smog pump) does nothing until combustion has already taken place, IMHO it has very little (if any) affect on engine performance
Quote from: Ricpinto on January 05, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Because the A.I.R (smog pump) does nothing until combustion has already taken place, IMHO it has very little (if any) affect on engine performance
By itself, no. It works in conjunction with the distributor curve, advance controlled by the Duraspark box & all those vacuum lines & sensors that modify the vacuum advance to change timing under load as well as change air/fuel ratios in the carb.
My solution has always been to eliminate EVERYTHING at once including the cat to avoid any issues. My 60K mile '76 wagon is missing the cat & the AIR pump is gone & all the vacuum lines are history but it still has the stock carb, distributor & electronic box. I got it this way & set the timing at the belt & distributor(they were both way off) & spray cleaned the carb & it runs great & idles smooth but I only get 17 mpg out of it. I figure this is due to the stock emissions carb & ignition system getting & giving false signals at cruising rpm at highway speeds.
I bought an NOS '73 carb for a 2.0, a new '74 2.3L distributor & will get a '74 spark box & put it all on in the spring. I expect my fuel mileage to jump to 23-26 mpg once it's running all pre-emission parts.
Quote from: Pinto5.0 on January 06, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
My 60K mile '76 wagon is missing the cat & the AIR pump is gone & all the vacuum lines are history but it still has the stock carb, distributor & electronic box. I got it this way & set the timing at the belt & distributor(they were both way off) & spray cleaned the carb & it runs great & idles smooth but I only get 17 mpg out of it.
Is that 17mpg in the city or on the highway? I can get about 21 in the city with a stock 157k mile 2.3 with the emissions crap on it. One thing that killed the mileage a lot in cold weather was an overly rich choke (pulloff needed to be tweaked open more than the service manual instructs), and the EGR temperature switch that activated EGR when it was too cold.
Therefore you might want to check everything else before pulling parts off. Since yours only has 60k on it, has the timing belt and valve seals been changed?
If you procede with the emissions strippage, please post a progress thread, as I might be interested in doing this, too it is really helps it.
Quote from: 78txpony on January 06, 2013, 10:20:44 PM
Is that 17mpg in the city or on the highway? I can get about 21 in the city with a stock 157k mile 2.3 with the emissions crap on it. One thing that killed the mileage a lot in cold weather was an overly rich choke (pulloff needed to be tweaked open more than the service manual instructs), and the EGR temperature switch that activated EGR when it was too cold.
Therefore you might want to check everything else before pulling parts off. Since yours only has 60k on it, has the timing belt and valve seals been changed?
If you procede with the emissions strippage, please post a progress thread, as I might be interested in doing this, too it is really helps it.
My AIR pump, cat & all the vacuum lines were removed before I bought it. It sat in the corner of a bodyshop almost 15 years before I got it. It had a new timing belt but was off by almost 30 degrees & the distributor was advanced so far I'm amazed it ran to get it home. I got the timing dead-on & installed a new water pump, hoses, thermostat, radiator & belts while I was under the hood. I also changed the oil & filter which looked clean considering it probably hadn't been changed in the 15 years that it sat.
This engine fires right up without a hint of oil smoke & idles as smooth as any new car I've ever had. It holds almost 50 psi oil pressure hot & rarely goes above 170 degree temps even in 80 degree weather thanks to the new parts. It gets 17 mpg highway & falls to 14 around town. It's an auto trans car with 3.00 rear but this mileage stinks even for anautomatic wagon.
All the vacuum lines that send signals to the stock carb are capped & only a single vacuum line goes to the distributor now. I'm sure the ignition box has pre-set curves based on emissions for '76 & with all the sending units no longer getting vacuum or sending the correct electrical impulses where they need to go I doubt the engines running optimally at cruising speeds. I suspect it goes from rich to lean constantly as I drive though the plugs read perfect when I checked their color.
In '74 only California cars got AIR pumps but all Pintos had cats. The ignition should have a very simple advance curve based on RPM & swapping to it should eliminate emissions calibrations. I picked up an NOS water choke '73 2.0 carb that's pre emissions so that should eliminate the vacuum headaches of the stock carb. Everything I can find says it has the same CFM rating as the stock 2.3 carb & it's physically identical other than having a lot less vacuum ports. I can't wait to swap these parts on in the spring & finally get this car up to it's potential.
Neither of my two '74s have catalytic converters. It doesn't look like they ever had them. I thought they put them in Pintos in the '75 model year and up.
Quote from: blupinto on January 07, 2013, 06:43:36 PM
Neither of my two '74s have catalytic converters. It doesn't look like they ever had them. I thought they put them in Pintos in the '75 model year and up.
you are correct , Becky. 1975 & newer.
Quote from: Srt on January 08, 2013, 03:08:17 AM
you are correct , Becky. 1975 & newer.
I thought all Fords got them in '74. I seem to remember my moms '74 Maverick having a cat.
well jennifer my wagon came from idaho its a 77 and has no smog pump. yet it can pass ca smog. federal cars didnt need it.ac compressor is sitting where the smog pump might go.then again if ca would raise the age to say 1980or 1985 or older no more smog checks the would be great. chris
Now that were on t his subject, my 1978 Pinto wagon is missing the air reactor pump and diverter valve and vac hoses. In St Louis my car is old enough it doesnt have to pass emissions now. Can y ou believe it wont pass the safety part because some emissions parts are off of it? Do they do this sort of thing just to be cruel or what
Quote from: tonij1960 on January 08, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
Now that were on t his subject, my 1978 Pinto wagon is missing the air reactor pump and diverter valve and vac hoses. In St Louis my car is old enough it doesnt have to pass emissions now. Can y ou believe it wont pass the safety part because some emissions parts are off of it? Do they do this sort of thing just to be cruel or what
Unfortunately, this is the law in most areas, including TX. It may not have to have an emissions test done, but still needs to pass a visual check to make sure the parts are there and hooked up. Also, the car cannot be smoking or running rough, obvious emission issues.
Try getting you inspection at a different place who might 'bend the rules'. The place I go has an old car buff doing inspections and he often does not even pop the hood on mine! Of course he knows me well with my fleet of old vehicles....
I know a place here I go to :) When I stayed in a small town in Kentucky for a while (Shelbyville) all they did for an inspection was come out of the sheriffs office poke their head in the window write down the mileage and hand you a paper. I walked across the street and got my plates. I like places like that.
Toni, I wish I knew a place like that!!!
Chris, I wish they would finally pass that law stating that 1985 cars and older don't need smog checks. But I don't think that will happen because they want the old cars off the road.
It is our job to keep putting them back on the road!!!! :D
Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on January 08, 2013, 08:58:08 PM
Toni, I wish I knew a place like that!!!
Chris, I wish they would finally pass that law stating that 1985 cars and older don't need smog checks. But I don't think that will happen because they want the old cars off the road.
It is our job to keep putting them back on the road!!!! :D
I could explain Agenda 21 & the plans to restrict our freedom to drive anywhere or anytime we please or putting GPS tracking in our cars to track & tax us for driving or to make gas so expensive that we will actually want that crappy Volt in our driveways instead of our Pintos but then I suspect this whole thread would disappear like any other that points out what's being done to us against our will. Emission checks & visual inspections are chump change compared to what's on the way.....
I'm sure I'll now get a nasty PM or this comment will be deleted or both but that doesn't make my point less valid.
That's the good thing about car people... we're small change in the classic car department, numbers-wise, but there are a lot of folks who own and drive old cars not because they have to, but because they want to. You better believe there are car lobbies like there are gun lobbies and other powerful groups like that. I do think people like us can and will stand up to Big Government and fight for the right to drive the cars we love. Of course I might be living in a dream world... but there's lots of money in classic cars, and we vote too! >:(
Quote from: blupinto on January 08, 2013, 10:34:40 PMI do think people like us can and will stand up to Big Government and fight for the right to drive the cars we love. Of course I might be living in a dream world... but there's lots of money in classic cars, and we vote too! >:(
I used to believe my voice mattered but the last 20 years & ESPECIALLY the last 4 years have taught me otherwise. For my belief in a balanced budget & constitutional limits on the size & scope of the federal government I've been openly mocked by the media & been called a domestic terrorist by this president & labeled as dangerous. As far as "our rights ??" they are now subject to interpretation by 537 rulers & a supreme court that has no clue where their powers end. Frankly, I'm terrified of where we are heading.
I bought my '75 almost a year ago..and upon seeing the picture though 'Uhhhh...is that what I should hav had in mine??' Way ta scare a guy, California!
I has no cat either though..
Quote from: James Meter on January 15, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I bought my '75 almost a year ago..and upon seeing the picture though 'Uhhhh...is that what I should hav had in mine??' Way ta scare a guy, California!
I has no cat either though..
Is yours a California car? I'm not sure you need Cali equipment on a car originally sold outside the state when it's that old. There are a few loopholes but not many.
Naa, mine was sold outta Festus, MO. I was wondering if it originally had a cat (not like I'd re-install..but curious is all) or not. I heard from someone that cars 1975 and up had 'em..but I dunno. My '74 Econoline E-100 never had one, and it was bone stock bumper to bumper.
Pinto5.0
"I could explain Agenda 21 & the plans to restrict our freedom to drive anywhere or anytime we please or putting GPS tracking in our cars to track & tax us for driving or to make gas so expensive that we will actually want that crappy Volt in our driveways instead of our Pintos but then I suspect this whole thread would disappear like any other that points out what's being done to us against our will. Emission checks & visual inspections are chump change compared to what's on the way.....
I'm sure I'll now get a nasty PM or this comment will be deleted or both but that doesn't make my point less valid.
I used to believe my voice mattered but the last 20 years & ESPECIALLY the last 4 years have taught me otherwise. For my belief in a balanced budget & constitutional limits on the size & scope of the federal government I've been openly mocked by the media & been called a domestic terrorist by this president & labeled as dangerous. As far as "our rights ??" they are now subject to interpretation by 537 rulers & a supreme court that has no clue where their powers end. Frankly, I'm terrified of where we are heading."
"Paranoia will destroy ya."
David Byrne
First, Agenda 21 is pure Right Wing nutjobbery, seek other sources for your information. You and many others have been PLAYED by the propaganda of the Glenn Beck wing of the nutty Right.
Second, the majority of us elected a black man as President, twice. GET OVER IT.
Third, where was your concern for deficits and corruption under Bush?(13 trillion dollar debt, economy crashing, 750,000 job loses a month on the day Obama took office, but it was all his fault, right) It is Bush and his cronies who created the current situation and crashed the economy. It's like you hold the janitor responsible for not cleaning up the mess the Republican party made of the country fast enough.
Fourth, I don't come to Fordpinto.com to be assaulted by Right Wing woo and I doubt many others do, either. If that is what you seek, go elsewhere. I am tired of Right Wing lies and stupidity spilling over where it does not belong, it is putrid drivel that is best left in the cesspools of the internet where those who seek it can swim in crap to their hearts content.
Grumpy
Dear Grumpy. I for one find it odd that you even know what Glenn Beck says, or you a closet listener? I also find it odd that the only way you view are two term President is that he is black, and to refer to him as a janitor cleaning up a white mans mess may border on racist. I also find it odd that you could have moved right past this post and went on to something that does not cause your gears to grind so hard. I myself enjoy that this group of folks can be who they are and not be to afraid to share their thoughts without having their person attacked for it! For as a man sows so shall he reap.
Quote from: 79prostreet on January 19, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
Dear Grumpy. I for one find it odd that you even know what Glenn Beck says, or you a closet listener? I also find it odd that the only way you view are two term President is that he is black, and to refer to him as a janitor cleaning up a white mans mess may border on racist. I also find it odd that you could have moved right past this post and went on to something that does not cause your gears to grind so hard. I myself enjoy that this group of folks can be who they are and not be to afraid to share their thoughts without having their person attacked for it! For as a man sows so shall he reap.
You were much more polite than I may have been but I'm with you. I'm not obsessed with Barrys skin color, it's his Marxism that bothers me. There are plenty of non-white, non-marxist candidates whom I would not only donate money to their campaigns but also I'd volunteer to work for them. If all Grumpy knows about Agenda 21 is that Beck wrote a book about it then he should Google more. I'm one of the people who was sending Beck links to info on Agenda 21 long before a book was written.
79prostreet
QuoteI for one find it odd that you even know what Glenn Beck says, or you a closet listener?[/font][/size]
"Know your enemy" Sun TzuI wouldn't waste a moment of my time actually watching the dreck that is Glenn Beck. But I do keep up with the Right Wingnuts as they are what is wrong with our country. The ignorant wing of either party should be watched(I don't like Dennis Kusinich any better than GB).I also find it odd that the only way you view are two term President is that he is black, and to refer to him as a janitor cleaning up a white mans mess may border on racist.[/font][/size]
Quote[size=78%]That is how the Right Wing treats our President. They made the mess, left the economy in the tank and then have the gall to complain that he isn't cleaning up the mess they made fast enough.[/size]
I also find it odd that you could have moved right past this post and went on to something that does not cause your gears to grind so hard.[/font][/size]
Quote[size=78%]Why? I'm not an [/size]ideologue.[size=78%] Ideology is the study and practice of idiocy. And Glenn Beck and Fox news is idiocy and nothing but Right Wing propaganda destroying our politics. You would get exactly the same reaction from me if you started quoting Marx and spewing Communist propaganda as fact, for the same reason. Both would be appropriate on a political forum, not here.[/size]
I myself enjoy that this group of folks can be who they are and not be to afraid to share their thoughts without having their person attacked for it! For as a man sows so shall he reap.[/font][/size]
Quote[size=78%]Spew ideological non-sense and lies and you can expect to be corrected in your behavior. I talk to anyone who actually takes responsibility for what they say. Those that speak irresponsibly can expect a reaction. Keep such idiocy to yourself or on appropriate fora. If this forum turns into Redneck, Right Wing non-sense you have killed it completely. The same would be true if you were preaching communism. Why do Right Wingers feel empowered to inject their idiocy in a car forum when you wouldn't allow Left Wing idiocy a pass? If you sow stupidity you reap a stupid country and society. I will not quietly accept such behavior at all, from either side of the political spectrum. If Pinto5.0 acts like an butt, an butt I will call him.[/size][size=78%]Pinto5.0[/size]
I'm not obsessed with Barrys skin color, it's his Marxism that bothers me[/font][/size]
QuoteCamouflage[size=78%]. He is not a Marxist, he is a moderate REPUBLICAN in his policies. I don't think you know what Marxism is. You're not fooling anyone, it's because he is a black man when all the camo falls away.[/size]
If all Grumpy knows about Agenda 21 is that Beck wrote a book about it then he should Google more[/font][/size]
Quote[size=78%]I know more than Glenn Beck does about it, evidently. Using a UN resolution(which has no force of law in the US)as a basis to gin up fear in an already ill-informed portion of the public is pure propaganda. [/size]Goebbels[size=78%] would be so proud.[/size]
I'm one of the people who was sending Beck links to info on Agenda 21 long before a book was written.[/font][/size]
Quote[size=78%]WOW! You say that as if it was something to be proud of. I wouldn't be advertising your ignorance and mental problems in public were I you. Glad I'm not. But you know what, if you keep them out of the public discourse people might conclude you were a decent human being.[/size][size=78%]Grumpy[/size]
LMAO.....WOW, I don't even need to respond beyond this ;D ;D ;D ;D
Based on this thread Grumpy's user name seems appropriate! ;)
This is insane guys, Let's keep it civil & on topic
Quote from: r4pinto on January 21, 2013, 11:03:15 AM
This is insane guys, Let's keep it civil & on topic
I have & always do even though I was called a racist amongst other things. I get a kick out of those who haven't dated outside their race making declarations about those who have. It really is hilarious ;)
I just want to find another Pinto...if I wanted politics I would spend the day with my in-laws.
lol funny how the identification of a smog pump devolved into a discussion of modern politics. I for one am for this site being about the Pintos, of the Pintos and for the Pintos (Bobcats too) and I'm sure a political thread could be started in the Off Topic section. I don't like getting verbally attacked because of my point of view. I doubt other people are keen on it either. I hope I'm not being scoldy 'cause I don't mean to be. :)
Okay guys, we've had point and counterpoint. I let this ride initially because I believe in the concept of free speech, but I think we've had quite enough politics for now... let's drop it and get back to talking about our Pintos. As for the rest of it, just agree to disagree. Fair enough?
dga57
Moderator
74pintoguy
QuoteI just want to find another Pinto...if I wanted politics I would spend the day with my in-laws.
That was MY point. Pinto5.0 can take his political garbage elsewhere. If he hadn't posted such crap in an inappropriate forum I would have never called him down for doing it and this conversation would have never come up. See how that works?
I threw my Right Wing nutjob uncle out of my house on Thanksgiving several decades ago, just before I threw his communist son(a Left Wing nutjob)out with him FOR THE SAME REASON. Neither is welcome in my house anymore. Was I at fault for expelling disruptive and contentious behavior from an inappropriate venue? No. And I am not wrong here either.
Pinto5.0
QuoteI have & always do
So explain how Agenda 21 has anything at all to do with someone asking about a smog pump? The answer(It doesn't)puts the lie to the above claim. You started this by injecting your toxic spew where it did not belong. You've evidently had this problem before but you just can't help yourself. Keep your politics out of forums not about politics, like this one. Red State will welcome you with open arms, but here it is offensive non-sense and I, for one, am sick and tired of it. You will get that same correction in your behavior every time I see it. Best for all if it doesn't happen again. Your choice.
blupinto
Quotelol funny how the identification of a smog pump devolved into a discussion of modern politics. I for one am for this site being about the Pintos, of the Pintos and for the Pintos (Bobcats too) and I'm sure a political thread could be started in the Off Topic section. I don't like getting verbally attacked because of my point of view. I doubt other people are keen on it either. I hope I'm not being scoldy 'cause I don't mean to be.
[size=78%]Couldn't agree more. But these guys will continue to think they have a right to inject their politics anywhere until the rest of us start calling them on it. That is what I did. I did not start this, but I will damn well see an end to it, one way or another. If this forum devolves into a political cesspool it will be because we said nothing to stop it. If they don't like people talking back in the face of their inappropriate non-sense, then they can stop posting it and talk only about Pintos. It may seem harsh, but it is what is required to preserve this forum for it's intended purpose. I won't hide behind a moderator, nor will I hide what I have to say in a PM. It was a public offense calling for a public rebuke.[/size]
Grumpy 8)
dga57
QuoteOkay guys, we've had point and counterpoint. I let this ride initially because I believe in the concept of free speech, but I think we've had quite enough politics for now... let's drop it and get back to talking about our Pintos. As for the rest of it, just agree to disagree. Fair enough?[/size]dga57[/size]Moderator
OK, I have said what I think needed said. I would not have brought the subject up at all if others had not. And I found the original political post highly offensive. Let's hope ALL get the message clearly and no more offensive posts appear. Peace.
Grumpy
Quote from: blupinto on January 21, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
lol funny how the identification of a smog pump devolved into a discussion of modern politics.
Unfortunitely a huge part of our hobby is intertwined with politics. Emissions, fines, the high price of gas, clunker laws, bailouts, inspections, you name it, all have a political party trying to savage our hobby.
Ethanol blending is political, battery disposal, getting rid of old tires....all political issues. It's an unfortunite fact of our lives that we are fighting a losing battle to keep what's ours.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 21, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
dga57
OK, I have said what I think needed said. I would not have brought the subject up at all if others had not. And I found the original political post highly offensive. Let's hope ALL get the message clearly and no more offensive posts appear. Peace.
Grumpy
Thank you very much... that's all I asked.
Dwayne :)
From a smog pump to having the Big Boss step in.. Be careful!! :o