i've called the only salvage yards on the island and i finally found a possible canidate!
i found a 1986 Rustang with the entire drivetrain intact! the 302CID engine, the T5 tranny, and the rear end!
the reason i post this is i need input... the car is scheduled to be crushed soon (they crush most cars older than 1990s out here) and i dont have much time to come to a decision...
is this a pretty good find?
spose its worth my time, money, energy, blood, sweat, and tears to give this a go?
would 86 rustang innards be a pretty good replacement?
$450 - engine
$300 - T5
$100 - rear end
$50 - part pulling fee (wont let me do it :'( )
grab the engine and trans out of it, the rear end would take quite a bit of work to do, but if it is all you got...
im sure i could find another suitable donor car for the rear end.
any ideas of a post 80's car with a decent fitting rear end capable of withstanding the torque of a 302?
Yes the 8 in out of a Pinto. Any that came with a V6 (i think) and some later station wagons. IIRC they stopped making the small rear sometime in 78?? I got mine out of a 78 V6 sedan model.
BOLT IN....
Anyways the Pintos 8 in only differs in that it has smaller necked down axle tubes and weaker axle shafts. I dont think the tubes being smaller is that much of a consequence and for any serious HP your going to upgrade the axles and diff anyways.
Id say your good for about 350 hp with street tires and the light weight of the car. With slicks all bets are off and probably only about 550 HP with the best available HP parts for that axle anyways.
Now where to find one on the Island..........
If you find someone there that does that kind of fab work you could use the 8.8 with ALOT of work done to it. Shorten it, leaf pads, etc. But in the end it will take just about anything you can throw at it!
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on March 17, 2011, 03:06:57 AM
Yes the 8 in out of a Pinto. Any that came with a V6 (i think) and some later station wagons. IIRC they stopped making the small rear sometime in 78?? I got mine out of a 78 V6 sedan model.
BOLT IN....
Now where to find one on the Island..........
i know there are no other (registered) pintos on the island... let alone one willing to surrender an 8" rear end :/
and besides... just learned 1985 was the last year for a carbureted 302 engine. meaning the 1986 donor car has EFI and i don't think im willing to tackle EFI or a conversion :-\
in any case, back to the rear end... so you're saying there are no other options for a rear end (without extreme modification) for this set up other than a 8" pinto/mustangII/maverick rear end? because those aren't an option :'(
anyone wanna ship a rear diff to the hawaiian islands? :rolleye:
Even if the motor is a efi motor all you would need to do is change the intake to a carb intake and if its a HO motor its should run pretty good. That is if it runs!
As for other suitable rear ends A mustang 8.8 can be used but it will be wider then the stock rear end and you will have to weld on your own spring perch. other then something like that or a custom job the only other options are goin 5 lug and getting a Granada/Versailles 9 inch rear (exact bolt-ins) or a ranger/explorer 8.8 rear(needs some mods to work). The later 90's(98 and close to that) model explorer rears are nice cause they are 8.8s with usually 3.73 gears a trac-loc, disc brakes and 31 spline axles.
I have a 75 4 lug V-6 8" out there, never shipped to Hawaii. Done England, Australia, Canada I don't know will need to do ship weight + size check quote to the big I. Fred :)
I would certainly grab the motor and trans if the V8 is the swap you want to do! As previously stated, you can change the top end. Thats no problem. As for the rear end, they can be found on evil bay. But, I am sure that the shipping to the island could be a killer. If you can weld, you can grind off the mounts and weld on new ones. So that is a 50/50 there! Kinda sucks for you being on the islad as the stang II's do come up on ebay cheap once in a while. I have been watching for one. But none near me yet. Of course, I dont have the money for one now anyways! LOL. Good luck in your search!
Quick side note, if you do get the rear end, make sure you get the whole deal with hubs and all! Also, if you like, the center console can fit the pinto too! See what it has for a sterring wheel. Maybe theres a nice custom one on it? Thanks.
thanks for the input fellas!
however, due to some potential financial issues (Navy may not be getting paid on the 1st of April :hypno: ) i think I'm only going to grab the T5 for now.
i also ordered the V8 swap manual off of eBay. i know its been rumoured to be practically useless... however it will at least give me some more insight on a possible swap. (if not good reading material :drunk: )
in short, I'm going to grab the T5 and wait on the engine until i can make a more educated decision.
well i found a junkyard that had a small number of pre 80's cars still on the property.
thought i'd post a few pictures of my friday afternoon :)
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and this last picture is the best one... or at least, the closest thing to a parts car for my 76 Shelly on the entire island :(
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yep. a 1972 ford maverick.
i had a hard time getting a good look at the car considering where it was perched... but i know its has an 8" rear end.
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only thing is that i really dont want to put a different bolt pattern on the rear end of shelly.. i paid quite a pretty penny for some custom 4x4.25 patterned wheels...
not to mention the guy who runs the lot wanted an outrageous $300 for a used rear end!! what a thief!
anyone know if i can just slip the axles from the 6 1/4" rear end into the 8"? that seems like it would be too good to be true :'(
How much for the whole car? LOL.
Quote from: tinkerman73 on March 19, 2011, 08:26:15 PM
How much for the whole car? LOL.
he was actually quite rude about it.
as soon as i mentioned "that old maverick up there" he interupted me with a stern, monotone "It's not for sale."
i responded with i dont want the whole car, just the rear end and he said "$300." :hypno:
i've been doing a bit of reading and i've heard quite a few people say that the 4x4.25 axles will not just slide right into the 8" rear end :'(
i am considerably dissappointed... seems like nothing is getting accomplished with my pinto... its quite disheartening :'(
:sigh:
My mustang II 8" has 4x4.25 bolt pattern. Which is perfect because my restored steel style rims look sexy on my 78! :)
Keep an eye out. It took me three years to track down the one I have.
I was parting out a 78 Mercury Bobcat station wagon a couple years ago and I met this gentleman with his son who were setting up their Mustang II for light racing at the local speedway. They were pulling the bent up bumpers off the Bobcat, but they couldn't find a good set of 13" 4x4.25 wheels to use. We swapped phone numbers and I gave them two 13" steel style wheels for $15 if I recall correctly. His son kept my number around since I have a lot of Pinto parts which can be interchangeable with Mustang IIs. Well the son came through my drive-thru (Jack In The Box) while I was working and wanted a set of 78 Pinto bumpers. Lucky for him I had good front and rear 78 bumpers that I pulled from a 78 Pinto station wagon last summer and I purchased them for $30 for the pair. Well, when all was said and done, I drove the bumpers out to his house and we swapped! I got myself the much needed 8" Mustang rear end and he got the bumpers of his dreams! :D
The moral of the story...Be outgoing to help others in the classic car world (Fords to), look into swap meets during car show season and swap phone numbers with fellow Mustang II and Pinto owners. I honestly didn't expect to have an 8" for my 78 Sedan until another two years down the road!
yea i understand... its just exponentially more difficult and expensive out here isolated from the mainland
That roadster in your picture I think is an Excaliber kit car and most of them have Pinto running gear. Might be something there for you.
Quote from: sedandelivery on March 20, 2011, 07:29:52 AM
That roadster in your picture I think is an Excaliber kit car and most of them have Pinto running gear. Might be something there for you.
Those kit cars were built using various compact cars of the day, but it certainly couldn't hurt to have a look/see. There just might be a Pinto lurking under all that!
Dwayne :smile:
Hey, you want wild and one of a kind? Pull the 4.9 BB Northstar and drive train from that caddy! That is if thats what it got! My caddy was about 5,000 lbs and with that 4.9, I showed up a early 90's vette going down the strip in sevierville! My caddy was a 91 Springtime edition, wih was only available in limited numbers and only by mail owner to previous caddy owners. It was a beautiful baby blue with white caraige top with moon roof and white leather interior. The kid driving the vette pulled up to the light and started reving his motr. Turned and laughed at me, then got a quizical look when he realized I was no old fuddy duddy! LOL. When the light turned green I smoked them tires and him! Yes, it is a front wheel drive! I will never forget that day! I had other simular stories like a kid that had a SHO taurus with power chip and crap on it. Blew him away like no tomorrow! So think what one of them would do in a pinto! ROFLMBO!!
The Cadillac in the photo is a 1989-93 Deville and should, indeed, have a 4.9 V-8. It would not be a Northstar however, unless one was transplanted into it. The Northstar engine debuted on the 1992 Allante and did not make it to the Deville line until 1994 (and then only on the Concours edition). It became the standard powerplant for the Deville in 1996.
Dwayne :smile:
Sorry Dwayne, but you are absulty incorrect my friend! My cadilac was a 1991 dwville and it was confirmed to be the 4.9 Northstar! It was a mail order car only that year being the springtime edition for previous caddy dealers. The handbook stated such. The vin crossreferenced as such. The autoparts store had that size in file for that vin number and the GM garage also told me that is what it was. Cant argue with the ex owner! LOL. Perhaps that was a special deal for those cars? I dont know. But I know that is what I had!
Quote from: tinkerman73 on March 20, 2011, 08:27:25 PM
Sorry Dwayne, but you are absulty incorrect my friend! My cadilac was a 1991 dwville and it was confirmed to be the 4.9 Northstar! It was a mail order car only that year being the springtime edition for previous caddy dealers. The handbook stated such. The vin crossreference d as such. The autoparts store had that size in file for that vin number and the GM garage also told me that is what it was. Cant argue with the ex owner! LOL. Perhaps that was a special deal for those cars? I dont know. But I know that is what I had!
According to CADILLAC, it was not! As for ownership, between the years of 1981 and 2000 I purchased six
new Cadillacs. That included one of the ill-fated V8-6-4's, and an even worse 5.7L diesel, an HT4100 (good engine), a 4.9 L V-8 (probably one of Cadillacs best engines), an oil-guzzling 4.6 Northstar (by the way,
all Northstars were 4.6's), and unfortunately, a 3.0 L V-6 in a disastrous 2000 Catera. After that, I switched to Lincolns and have had basically trouble-free motoring. This is my last comment on the subject.
Dwayne :smile:
Quote from: tinkerman73 on March 20, 2011, 07:43:56 PM
Hey, you want wild and one of a kind? Pull the 4.9 BB Northstar and drive train from that caddy! That is if thats what it got! My caddy was about 5,000 lbs and with that 4.9, I showed up a early 90's vette going down the strip in sevierville! My caddy was a 91 Springtime edition, wih was only available in limited numbers and only by mail owner to previous caddy owners. It was a beautiful baby blue with white caraige top with moon roof and white leather interior. The kid driving the vette pulled up to the light and started reving his motr. Turned and laughed at me, then got a quizical look when he realized I was no old fuddy duddy! LOL. When the light turned green I smoked them tires and him! Yes, it is a front wheel drive! I will never forget that day! I had other simular stories like a kid that had a SHO taurus with power chip and crap on it. Blew him away like no tomorrow! So think what one of them would do in a pinto! ROFLMBO!!
thats awesome!
i have been thinking about an unpractical powertrain idea that has recently presented itself to me, check this out;
i have a friend with a 2004 Audi TT that has given her nothing but problems since the day she bought it. the car has is the quattro model and the full time all wheel drive system is just been a headache forever... shes sunk a few thousand dollars into that car with no obvious headway :/
the car has the bulletproof T/C 1.8L and my lil head got to thinking.... what would that be like? O.o
(wikifacts)
1.8 T quattro
1,781 cc (108.7 cu in)
Inline-4 20v DOHC Turbocharger
225 PS (165 kW; 222 hp) @ 5,900
280 N·m (207 ft·lbf) @ 2,200-5,500 <--- that 4spd "hummer" and 6 3/4" will never hold up...
i found a company in the Netherlands that makes a bell housing that will mate the german 1.8L to a ford "type-9" transmission! i got in contact with them and they said they also have quite a few adapter plates to mate the engine to a T5!!
that would
truly be a one of a kind!! (but not with a 6 3/4" rear end :nocool: )
Well, how are you at grinding and welding? Or, maybe you can hire a fab shop to do the rear end for you. The only down fall is the axle ends. But...... have you ever thought of cragar rims? I kow I found a gorgious red pinto wagon with cragars on them! Just beautiful! LOL.
Quote from: tinkerman73 on March 21, 2011, 05:07:16 AM
Well, how are you at grinding and welding? Or, maybe you can hire a fab shop to do the rear end for you. The only down fall is the axle ends. But...... have you ever thought of cragar rims? I kow I found a gorgious red pinto wagon with cragars on them! Just beautiful! LOL.
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i dont plan on taking the entire drivetrain from the car... my plan was to mount the engine perpendicular to the drive axel and mate it to a T5 with the 8"
and i dont need cragars... i have these :D
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Thats right, I forgot about those! There cool! LOL>
A 1.8T out of a Audi could be fun its the same motor that's ran in the 1.8t VW golf I've seen those motors pull 300hp before but that's with some money put into it stock they put out around 180hp at the flywheel.
Quote from: Jippah on March 21, 2011, 12:21:35 AM
I have a friend with a 2004 Audi TT that has given her nothing but problems since the day she bought it. the car has is the quattro model and the full time all wheel drive system is just been a headache forever... shes sunk a few thousand dollars into that car with no obvious headway :/
the car has the bulletproof T/C 1.8L and my lil head got to thinking.... what would that be like? O.o
I was a Service Writer for Audi around 2004-2005. The TT and A4 convertible were by far the most common sights in the service bays. The TT has the Haldex Quatro system which is inferior to the Torsen system found in all the other Quatro Audi models except the A3 (I have a Torsen worm gear rear in my Pinto for racing). The 1.8 is a great engine but suffered from oil sludge build up and failed seals in WAY to many cars that I saw so watch out when buying a used one. One of the best engines Audi has ever made is the Aluminum 3.2L non turbo at 265HP IMHO.
Note: there are two versions of the 3.2L. One standard version and one that is narrowed to 15 degrees to fit the TT and A3 with slightly less torque than the standard one. The narrowed one might be a good one for a Pinto conversion. I saw a supercharged one in a VW R3.2 putting out 600HP!
71HANTO
well i did a quick search for your pinto/mustang II axle on craigslist in hawaii. I came up with nothing. However i would recomend you search for ANYTHING mustang II or pinto. Then even if they are just selling a grill or a carb, ask them if they are selling the axle. couldnt hurt. Hope you get something.
Robert
Curious, where did you get your wheels from?
Quote from: dave1987 on April 01, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
Curious, where did you get your wheels from?
well, i stumbled upon them at this site --> http://www.americanracing.com/wheels/?wheelid=VN0691&siteid=1&groupid=29&page1=4 (http://www.americanracing.com/wheels/?wheelid=VN0691&siteid=1&groupid=29&page1=4)
and took the model number (VNA 69 ANSEN SPRINT) and searched it on google to see if i could find someone who would make them for me. after you have the model number, its up to you which company you choose you want to order them from.
JUST BE SURE YOU SPECIFY YOU WANT THE 4x4.25" (4x108mm) BOLT PATTERN
:)
Jippah, I have good news, fair news and bad news.
Good news - There are two Mustang II's with 8" axles here in Idaho. About 5 miles from here Meridian to Nampa.
Fair news - They want $180.00 for one, I would have to pull it, not hard to do with all the experience I have had with pulling axles the past 12 months.
Bad news - I have no idea how I could ship it to you! I don't know if Fedex would ship to Hawaii, but I'm sure if I did ship it there it would probably cost around $200 if not more. :(
oh man... im originally from Montana... if only i was still home i'd just drive out and pick them myself haha
but yea, i've only heard of freight shipping rates (which unfortunately i have no idea how to go about shipping something "freight")
maybe someone else knows :/