Hello Folks
Can anyone give me the dimensions of a 2.3L engine and a C4 transmission? What I am looking for are:
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view¤t=enginesize.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view¤t=enginesize.jpg)
A. Lowest point on oil pan to center of crankshaft
B. Lowest point on oil pan to highest point of air cleaner
C. Lowest point on pan to center of motor mount
D. Distance between the centers of the motor mounts
E. Water Pump to center of motor mount
F. Water Pump to front of bell-housing
G. Overall Width left to right
H. Front of bell housing to center of transmission mount
I. Bell housing to center of speedometer connect
J. Bell housing to end of tailshaft
A friend of my brothers is going to give him a 75 Pinto, and he wants me to make him a frame for it, and deliver it to him when I come for his birthday.. The problem is that neither of us have seen the car, much less been able to get measurements... I have good overall measurements for the length and front/rear suspension placement, just not the rest of the drivetrain... Any help would be greatly appreciated, even pointing me to websites where I can find the info...
Thanks
Drag
Hello folks, I am still looking for these dimensions... Can anyone help??
Drag
You are making a crate for the whole car, or just the engine and trans ?
If just the engine/trans, set on a pallet and ratchet strap it on. Ratchet strap into the back of a pick up & go.
or am I missing something......?
Are you making a custom frame for the pinto? I am slightly confused on just what you are doing. However, I do have a spare motor and tranny sitting on blocks in my barn. I could get you the measurements. Thanks.
OK, let me rephrase my question/explanation... My brother lives in Florida, near Tampa... I live in Texas... His friend who will be giving him the car lives in North Georgia... He has told my brother that the car is a 75 hatchback, with a 2.3 and c4 transmission, and that the floors and trunk are badly rusted... Otherwise the car is complete and "solid"... I weld and do framework, my brother does not... I will be going to visit in April for his birthday, and will be bringing a car he had me restore for his daughter... He has asked me to build a frame to put the pinto body on, and bring it when I visit in April... I found a 75 hatch in a local pic-n-pull but the motor/transmission mounts and tunnel had been cut out by the previous owner... So I have all the measurements as far as the frame/suspension/body go, but not motor mounts, transmission mount, or body clearances for engine/tranny... I already built in the front crossmember and added the rear spring mounts, and have created lower firewall, floor, wheel tubs, and trunk panels...
Basically, what I would like to be able to do is jack up the body, cut out the old, drop/weld the body on the frame, help him move over the engine/trans/suspension/axle and let him finish the rest... If the engine and transmission mounts unbolt from the frame I should be able to just move them, but my concern is that they may also be rusted...
I know the c4 stayed pretty much the same, but I am not sure if the 2.3 had different mounts or mounting points over the years, so I guess my question really is can I take measurements off the engine and transmission in a cougar or t-bird and be close enough?? Also was the 2.3 engine in a pinto offset to one side or was it centered in the frame??
Drag
Well, my mill appears to be centered within the engine bay. Today I should be able to get a chance to get the dimensions you were asking for. I already printed out your guide so I can take that out to the barn with me. Sounds like a great project. Personally, with a full frame and partial firewall built, I would have gone with a big block mill in it! LOL.
Im trying to keep the old fart from killing himself (he will be 65) and keep it so he can afford to drive...
Drag
LOL. Cool. Although, my grandfather is 90 and he owns several cars. This includes two metros. He forgot to drain out the motor in one two years ago ( the hard top one, not the convertibel) and he thinks he may have cracked the block. So he has been toying with the idea of putting in a v6 into it. He loves his super beetle, Bradley GT and 67 Mustang Convertible. But kinda wants something faster. His statement is, if he wants to go slow, that is what his 1920 Model T is for. LOL. And yes, he still does all of his own mechanics and welding at 90!
to answer you question the 2.3 stayed the same and the mounts bolted to the frameit may be slightly to one side as the mounts i have off are different thickness.sejn ce you were able to rebuild the front susmension you should be able to get the measurment for the mounts from the same place it will be 2 hole very near the center of the front wheels.
sorry i did not see this post sooner to respond.if you have more question i will try to help
here is a pic of one i took a part
I could still use these measurements, if anyone has the time...
Drag
Quote from: dragnfyr on March 01, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
Hello Folks
Can anyone give me the dimensions of a 2.3L engine and a C4 transmission? What I am looking for are:
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view¤t=enginesize.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/dragnfyr/?action=view¤t=enginesize.jpg)
A. Lowest point on oil pan to center of crankshaft
B. Lowest point on oil pan to highest point of air cleaner
C. Lowest point on pan to center of motor mount
D. Distance between the centers of the motor mounts
E. Water Pump to center of motor mount
F. Water Pump to front of bell-housing
G. Overall Width left to right
H. Front of bell housing to center of transmission mount
I. Bell housing to center of speedometer connect
J. Bell housing to end of tailshaft
A friend of my brothers is going to give him a 75 Pinto, and he wants me to make him a frame for it, and deliver it to him when I come for his birthday.. The problem is that neither of us have seen the car, much less been able to get measurements.. . I have good overall measurements for the length and front/rear suspension placement, just not the rest of the drivetrain... Any help would be greatly appreciated, even pointing me to websites where I can find the info...
Thanks
Drag
Quote from: dragnfyr on March 05, 2011, 12:22:03 AM
OK, let me rephrase my question/explanation... My brother lives in Florida, near Tampa... I live in Texas... His friend who will be giving him the car lives in North Georgia... He has told my brother that the car is a 75 hatchback, with a 2.3 and c4 transmission, and that the floors and trunk are badly rusted... Otherwise the car is complete and "solid"... I weld and do framework, my brother does not... I will be going to visit in April for his birthday, and will be bringing a car he had me restore for his daughter... He has asked me to build a frame to put the pinto body on, and bring it when I visit in April... I found a 75 hatch in a local pic-n-pull but the motor/transmission mounts and tunnel had been cut out by the previous owner... So I have all the measurements as far as the frame/suspension/body go, but not motor mounts, transmission mount, or body clearances for engine/tranny... I already built in the front crossmember and added the rear spring mounts, and have created lower firewall, floor, wheel tubs, and trunk panels...
Basically, what I would like to be able to do is jack up the body, cut out the old, drop/weld the body on the frame, help him move over the engine/trans/suspension/axle and let him finish the rest... If the engine and transmission mounts unbolt from the frame I should be able to just move them, but my concern is that they may also be rusted...
I know the c4 stayed pretty much the same, but I am not sure if the 2.3 had different mounts or mounting points over the years, so I guess my question really is can I take measurements off the engine and transmission in a cougar or t-bird and be close enough?? Also was the 2.3 engine in a pinto offset to one side or was it centered in the frame??
Drag
Sorry. Had them at large, then we had the two days of silence and I plum forgot! Now, keep in mind that the way the engine is located in my barn that some of these measurments are only eyeballed. So there maye be close but not exact. Likewise, your pictures showed a v6 or v8 while you were asking for measurments of the 2.3. Likewise, the c4 auto I have does not look like the drawing. I am not a mechanical wiz. So bare with me on these. Hopefully they will be a good start for you to rough some things in though? Thasnk.
A; 8"
B: 24 1/2 TO THE TOP OF THE CARB. MAY AIRFILTER IS A ADDITIONAL 2" ON TOP OF THAT.
C:EYEBALLED 7 1/4" ON BOTH SIDES
D: EYEBALLED 21 1/4" ( IN QUESTION TO THE MOTOR MOUNTS, OIL PAN IS 9 1/2" DRIVERS SIDE OF CAR, MOTOR MOUNT IS 5 1/2 BEYOND THE PAN. PASSENGER SIDE MOUNT IS 6 1/4 BEYOND THE PAN. tHIS IS TO THE FRAME BOLT HOLES ON THE MOUNTS.
E:EYEBALLED 10 3/4"
F: EYEBALLED 22 3/4"
G: AGAIN HERE, IN YOUR PICTURE FOR A V STYLE MILL WHEN THIS IS THE 2.3 4 BANGER.SO I DID FROM OUTSIDE OF EXHAUST MANY TO OUT SIDE OF INTAKE MANY. fROM CENTER OF BLOCK TO EXHAUST IS 9". FROM CENTER TO OUTSIDE OF INTAKE IS ABOUT 12"
TRANNY
H:IS THIS TO THE COOLER LINE? IF SO I HAVE EYEBALLED 12 1/2"
I: IF THIS IS TO SHIFTER BOLT, THIS IS EYEBALLED 12 1/4" OTHERWISE, IF IT IS TO A HOLE TOWARDS THE BACK, THEN IT IS 25"
J LENGTH IS 31 INCHES.
FOR THE C4, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND EXACT MEASURMENTS ONLINE SOMEWHERES AS IT IS A VERY COMMON TRANNY AND BEEN USED FOR YEARS. AGAIN, MOST OF THIS IS ROUGH EYEBALLED. BUT HOPEFULLY IT GETS YOU SO YOU CAN ROUGH THINGS IN? THANKS.
Thanks, this is much appreciated...
Drag