as you know, I'm in NW ohio and looking for a pre 78 pinto.
I have found TWO within 250 miles that are in my price range.
a rusty 72, pictured below, and a really nice on the outside 78 cruising wagon thats not running yet and needs the interior assembled. The current owner has never driven it nor heard it run. Both cars are about 3 hours away. What do you guys think the 72 is worth. Supposedly it is mechanically sound except for an exhaust leak at the manifold. It comes with an extra manifold.
Keep it mind, the pickins are slim up here
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The first question that comes to mind is how are the floors, frame rails, and cowl on that 72? The interior is pretty nice on that car, which is a big bonus as half the battle is piecing together a clean interior. While the body does have some rust, it is repairable. The car looks to be fairly loaded, 2.0L, 4 spd, deluxe interior, AC, squire wagon. At this point, price will really depend on how well it runs and drives, in my opinion. How much are they asking?
I forgot, ac doesn't work but its all there.
the guy couldn't get me pics of the underside but went out and laid on the ground and looked for me, he said " it was very nice under there. It's still mostly body color (white) and there were a couple of spots. Both on the drivers' side. One was very small and only a little crusty. I couldn't tell if it was a through hole yet.
The other is the lip around a what was either a seat belt reinforcement or a body plug, the place in the floor where you remove the plug to let water drain from the interior. It wasn't bad, just a little crusty around there, too. All in all, very nice. I didn't look behind the rear axle."
He says its roadworthy and drivable. I just went back through the emails and all I can find was the exhaust leak, the ac not working, the body , cracked dash pad, and an aftermarket tach on the steering column. The only thing different since the pics were taken is that he cleaned the battery terminals. its a 2.0, it has 62,000 miles on it. its 3 and a half hours away, he's asking 1395 or best offer.
Unless you want this as a parts car, why don't you wait for a better specimen with no rust? There are plenty on EBAY and the Internet, and with shipping available to almost anywhere.
Even if you got this car for free, the repair costs would be prohibitive. To put this in context, I got a 1976 Runabout with only 40K miles for $2,100 here in CA. A thousand dollars or so later, and it runs and looks like new. The true value of the car like the one here is that you could get real satisfaction out of brininging it back from the dead...if you have the skills, money, and patience. If that's what you want, go for it. But to ask what the value is makes me wonder if you think it might be a good investment. From a financial perspective, at least, it isn't (in my humble opinion). This car will cost a fortune to restore. Do it only if it gives you pleasure.
thanks guys. I'm not looking at it as an investment. more along the lines of is it a fair price compared to other pintos. I guess I will keep waiting, but there very rarely are any around here, and with the cost of shipping, its hard to imagine getting anything other than a rust bucket on my budget, I mean, with shipping of 1000 dollars or more, that leaves me looking for a 1000 dollar pinto :[
I liked it better when people didnt like pintos, LOL
If it were me I'd go for the '72 Squire!!!
I'm partial to '72s because that's my birth year... I'm also partial to Squires because they're so... American...THEN I saw that interior!!! OMG!!! The cracks on the dashboard aren't bad at all. You should see Green Meanies... and she's a year younger!!! I love the early deluxe interiors and I think this would be a gem with some TLC. It isn't my money, but if you want it I say GO FOR IT!!! The seller might lower the price... and it never hurts to say, "I have $1,000 cash in hand". Don't be too interested... tell the seller there's a couple other cars you're looking at. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best! Too bad I'm not out there... I would love to have a '72 Squire. Well I would need the money too... ::)
First let's talk shipping, i got a California car sent to the East coast last year for $750. so if the car is in far better shape, then shipping is worth alot more than trying to find those impossible to find parts and then have to fix them. Having said that, it is hard to see exactly how many repairs are necessary. If the AC doesn't work then do not even discuss this as an option when talking price, it will most likely end up costing more to fix the AC then the car is worth. Engine and drivetrain, if these need rebuilding, same result as the AC, if not, then it is worth looking into further. If the car runs, has a clean title and you can get it for under $1000 I would persue it further, but go over the car carefully and thoroughly, that will help you in the negotiating if you know what it needs and how much it would cost to fix. I agree with Tigger, the interior looks clean which is a huge part of a restoration. Probably the most positive aspect of this wagon. Check the suspension, floorpans, and undercarriage. Turn those stones over and see what is under them.
is it a squire? I thought the squires were only automatic and came out in 73 :/
I'm not worried about the ac, whatever I get will probably end up with a turbo coupe swap next spring (2012). I also should point out that I will be modifying whatever I get as well. Just so noone thinks I'm going for a restoration or anything. I would be removing the woodgrain, and the trim, grinding the "pegs" for the trim down and welding in the holes. Then I would be welding in the windows and turning it into a sedan delivery. Since I plan so many modifications, I don't know if that makes this a better or worse starting point
who did you use for shipping? I'm getting 750 dollar quotes from kentucky to nw ohio. I even got a quote for over 1000 from upstate michigan to nw ohio, and that was the cheapest quote I could get for that particular one.
1972 was the first year of the wagon and this one being what it is, a squire with a lot of options would make a great resto for thoes looking for an early wagon that would be the envy of all your pinto friends when restored to original condition. These are hard to find (early wagons with options) in any condition.
Poomwah, if you are looking to add a turbo and modify one like you suggest, I'm sure many will agree looking for a 1974 and up is what you should be looking for. Better options for suspension and larger engine bays for the turbo.
All that said, I have seen this car in person and have to admit it looks worse in these pics than I recall. I didn't go over it with a fine tooth comb or anything but did give it a good look, never heard it run. The interior is near mint! and like Tigger pointed out that is worth a bunch! There is rust, a lot of it is surface with a few bad spots requiring some work for sure. Not sure how reliable it would be running wise for a long drive home, I wouldn't consider it a daily driver, been sitting a lot for the last few years but it does run.
The reason I know this car is because I bought it, sight unseen after seeing it on Craigslist. Pintony came to MN to get the car and trailered it back home. There was a reason we did this but after seeing the wagon Tony decided it was way to nice to do what was planned. After I saw it a couple years back I had to agree. The interior is really nice, it's a first year squire with options and the body is saveable. Yes, it will need work but... it is what it is.
If I didn't have to many projects on my plate already... I would go get it and consider a restore myself and considering I don't ever want to restore a rusty car myself again (been there, done that) since I can't do body work myself driving the cost to restore up... this one I would consider only because it is what it is and I do believe with careful planning you could restore it to original condition and still have close to it's resale value or less if you were careful not to overspend. Knowing how to do body work and turn a wrech, doing most of the work yourself would help save lots of cash.
The above was not a sales pitch for the wagon, just my humble opinion and what I know of the wagon.
I do know what Tony has into the wagon and while he doen't have a lot of wiggle room to move on the price and get his money back make an offer, never know he may consider it. Don't bother with low-balling him, others have and he still has it.
Tony's email is pintony_2000@yahoo.com in case anybody else may be interested in it.
I wouldn't feel right offering him less. I mean, just from emailing I can tell what kind of person he is, and he is WAY too nice to offer him less. I know the ad says or best offer, but he's been so accomodating to me. Like I said, super nice guy.
By the way cookieboy, have you talked to Tony lately? You should send him a get well E-card or something. When we got that storm the other day, he fell and broke his ankle, had to have surgery on it.
Quote from: poomwah on February 04, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
You should send him a get well E-card or something. When we got that storm the other day, he fell and broke his ankle, had to have surgery on it.
wish him well for me my mom did that last winter
and i trust cookieboys judgment on the car and would agree with all he said.
phil
I think we are talking about different people.
The owner's name is Tony. But Pintony is apparently from staughton, ILL (over by ST Louis)
this car's owner lives south of indianapolis, IN
I'm going to agree with Brian on the car being restored as opposed to being modified. '72 wagons were the only ones that had the three-button pop-out windows. To me that's huge! As I mentioned earlier, I'm a tad partial to Squires. Just my humble opinion, but I'd hate to see that car stripped of its Squire heritage and changed into a go-fast car. I still wish you the best with whatever you do. :D
Quote from: blupinto on February 04, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
I'm going to agree with Brian on the car being restored as opposed to being modified. '72 wagons were the only ones that had the three-button pop-out windows. To me that's huge! As I mentioned earlier, I'm a tad partial to Squires. Just my humble opinion, but I'd hate to see that car stripped of its Squire heritage and changed into a go-fast car. I still wish you the best with whatever you do. :D
I completely understand, in my ignorance, I didnt realize how "special" the car was. I would feel guilty as hell about modifying the buhjeezus out of it. But, at the same time, I couldn't handle it being white.
Quote from: poomwah on February 04, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
I think we are talking about different people. The owner's name is Tony. But Pintony is apparently from staughton, ILL (over by ST Louis) this car's owner lives south of indianapolis, IN
something here does seem rather strange and I have been trying to reach Pintony all day with no sucess...
I talk to Pintony, in Staunton, IL regularly, couple times yesterday and I haven't heard anything about a broken ankle, he also tells me he hasn't talked to anyone about this 72 in recent recollection. There is no question that the pictures posted at the beginning of this post are of the 72 wagon I refered to above, purchased and that Pintony has now, the licence plate matches the pictures I have of it.
so that begs the question... who are you talking to? and why is he sending you pictures of a car than belongs to someone else?
like I said I'm trying to reach Pintony to clear this up but I think something isn't quite right here ?? I don't think Pintony sold the wagon and still has it sitting at his place.
interesting, I hadn't noticed the minnesota plate before.
here is the ad http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2155437474.html (http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2155437474.html)
did he sell it to someone in indiana and they took pics before they left his place? but if its being driven in indiana, why does it still have the MN plate :\
OK, confusion now solved! Pintony did sell the Pinto to the person you are dealing with.
Hahahaha! guess I wasn't paying attention if Pintony told me but he's not sure he told me either ;D
how long ago did he sell it? I'm wondering how long it sat afterwards. Like I said, I can't figure out how he's driving it if it still has the MN plate
it wasn't that long ago that Pintony sold it and I do know that when Pintony and I worked our deal Pintony did say it ran and drove up on the trailer. I didn't see it for about the 1st year Pintony had it and when I did it was just a quick walk around and look, I never heard it run. I know the person I bought it from made it sound like it had been sitting in his garage for years but wasn't driven regularly.
so to answer the question, Pintony sold it not that long ago but never drove the car himself "much" just enough to move it around, before that it wasn't driven much either. New seller... who knows, if he's been driving it, fixing stuff, one never knows. Pintony said it ran ok, likely didn't take much to get it into driving condition. The MN plates were still on it when Pintony sold but noticed in the ad you provided a link to the rear plate is missing and I can't tell if it's still the MN plate on the front. Also who knows "when" he took the pictures vs. what it looks like now?
for anyone looking to buy one of these cars (pinto's) in this kind of condition, I recommend a first had look and test drive and base the decision off that. I have driven 100's of miles, many times to look at and buy cars only to get there and walk away grumbling that the seller didn't provide an accurate description or that "his" idea of no rust and "my" idea of no rust means something different. When you are the one standing there with cash in hand, deciding to buy or not to buy.... your opinion is the only one that counts ;D
So what kind of money for the cruiser? IMHO, if I were looking for a car to mod like you want to do, I would prob go for the cruiser, the squire should be restored and kept stock. :)
the cruiser is set at a tentative 2500, the current owner said he won't raise that unless he runs into big expenses getting it running.
he thinks the interior is complete. He can't vouch for whether or not it will be drivable. I'm waiting to here from him whether or not his mechanic got it running. Last I heard, the mechanic had it for a weekend and still had no luck, in my opinion, not a good sign, not trying to brag, but I'm not a professional mechanic and in an afternoon I could either have a pinto running or know exactly why it wasn't. After it comes home from the mechanic, it has to go to another shop for some welding.
Too bad you're not in SoCal... there's a '78 (I think) cruising wagon near me that runs for $1500. It's a silver one.
too bad shipping costs so much.
even though I'm not a HUGE fan of the actual crusing wagon. I don't really like the porthole. I prefer the panel wagon or sedan delivery look. And I prefer the front end on the older ones too.
so... the 72 squire... I'm sure the kids would prefer having windows to look out of instead of riding in the back of a box, LOL, not to mention the pop-out window providing a little ventilation.
would it be considered "bad" or "wrong" to tint the windows on a restoration? or is it one of those things thats "supposed" to be left as it would come from the factory? Also, what is the etiquette or protocol on restoring with a different factory color. If that is "acceptable" , where can I find a list of colors that were offered in 72 for the squire?
now, the white, I just can't handle.... but this, I could live with http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9WTCpRkueuI/ShY5cdI7_MI/AAAAAAAAAe0/TikzTC4UWR8/s1600-h/73+Pinto+Squire.bmp
That Squire is an exceptional one... of course my personal favorite would be Grabber Blue or Medium Yellow Gold (a light orangish-yellow). ;D White isn't my favorite color, but my mind can change when it comes to Pintos, Mavericks, and Mustang IIs. lol
I personally don't like dark tinted windows on ANYTHING, especially Pintos... but I wouldn't hate ya if you did... ;)
well, I'm definitely in a better position now....
they say knowledge is power.
the guy seemed like a really decent guy... but, I found out that the car has a weak cylinder, he never told me about that, I found out from someone else. he also told me that he was asking 1400 just to get his money out of it. I also found out that he paid 900 dollars including delivery, and hasn't done anything to it. So I got suspicious. Started re-reading emails, asking more questions, etc. He said he was driving it, and just pulled the insurance off of it. But, its still has the plate on the front of it from two owners ago. He also went on to tell me in a different email that he never put the title in his name, its still in the name of the PO two owners back. And an earlier email he had told me it needed a battery, that he had changed it, and that it was dependable again. But later email says he's done nothing to the car, and that he hasn't even installed the battery yet. So, a few discrepancies. But the nice part is, after talking to a VERY knowledgeable source, I know what the car is worth, and what to offer.
Quote from: blupinto on February 05, 2011, 01:02:17 AM
That Squire is an exceptional one... of course my personal favorite would be Grabber Blue or Medium Yellow Gold (a light orangish-yellow). ;D White isn't my favorite color, but my mind can change when it comes to Pintos, Mavericks, and Mustang IIs. lol
I personally don't like dark tinted windows on ANYTHING, especially Pintos... but I wouldn't hate ya if you did... ;)
Grabber blue is nice, but I don't think I'd like it with the woodgrain. Medium Yellow Gold would be sweet. My first choice would be green but then I'd want a green interior too instead of the brown. Not to mention if I had a green wagon, it would look like I was copying Pintony's "frozen woody"
As far as tint, I'm not thinking dark like aftermarket looking dark , but a dark factory tint look, if that makes sense. something thats going to be hard to get right I'm sure
I know on the earler Pintos the factory tint doesn't look tinted at all unless you see it at certain angles. If that Squire has factory a/c, chances are it has the so-called factory tinted windows. The Carlite stamp would say Sun-X if it is factory tinted.
Grabber Blue on a Squire is something else for sure... but then I'm partial to that color. (Did I mention I was weird?) lol I drool over Medium Yellow Gold, though... and the Ginger interior would go nicely with that yellow. ;D
for color choices here is a site it will take some navagation but will give you some ideas
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/ (http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/)
once it is your car you can do what you want with it. mine has the original tint and it does not seem like much the pop out windows do help with the breeze and my ac does not work so we just drive with the windows down. white would not have been my first choice eather but not i realy like it. i have a 76 white bobcat woody wagon.
phil