I have both. The II rear is still in the II, the other is on the floor of the garage.
From what I have read, there are pros and cons to both. So I am looking for input on which to use in the Pinto. I am leaning towards a 302 for the engine, but at this point am not sure. I just found out someone here at work will be selling a V-6 from a 1990 ranger. That would be different, at least. :D
And I could probably get it cheap and complete with fuel injection and trans.
1967 pros
already 5 lug. more brake choices. According to some on a II site, a stronger housing than the II. I wouldn't have to remove it from a rusty/dirty car with rusted hardware.
1967 cons
Not a bolt in. Wider than the II.
II pros
Bolt in.
II cons
4 lug. Very limited choice in brakes. I am looking at going with disc brakes, only found one kit for the II. Possibly weaker housing. Will possibly make getting rid of the II body harder.
Did I miss any?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks,
Russ
Id say for ease of fitment go with the mustang 2 housing. No difference in weakness than the 67. You can get the stock axles drilled for 5 or get some "stronger" Axles from like Moser.
A administrator on fordmuscle.com has a 67 with a 8 in. He put the later model ( mustang 11 style) pumpkin in it and a "lock rite" Locker in it. Then later upgraded to some slightly stronger Moser axles after twisting the splines due to 5000rpm clutch dumps with drag slicks.
He had hundreds of passes on that rear over the time he was running it for a Test mule for the website.
If you "shop around" on fordmuscle as well there is a guy that has a disk brake on his 8in rear. Very simple and slick. Its what i will be doing once i get "a round tuit"
My opinons!
GL!
Robert
Thanks. I will try to find that disk brake stuff on fordmuscle. Hopefully I don't have to pay to do it.
i have to decide soon. Want to get the II stuff on craig's list this weekend.
Russ
ok, I must be extra dense tonight. I couldn't find anything on disk brakes for the Mustang II 8 inch rear.
Thanks,
Russ
No problem. They have a bit of a archaic search function
Heres the link.
Its in the "tech exchange" fourm. Im not sure if you need to subscribe to see this one.
On that note its well worth the basic subscription price for the year.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/488169-budget-rear-discs-8-small-9-axles.html (http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/488169-budget-rear-discs-8-small-9-axles.html)
check currie enterprises. i have rear rotors and calipers from an 87 or 8 turbo coupe
(4 lug). i think one of the brackets currie sells will adapt that caliper to the 8 inch housing. i think it may be the bracket for the super coupe caliper. id have to remeasure the turbo coupe rotors. same set up joe morgan ran from what i remember.
OK, that brake setup. I am familar with it from my vintage mustang days, but had forgotten about it. Thanks!
It might work, since you have to modify the flange anyway.
I know that most aftermarket kits won't work without mods on the II rear end because it is shaped a bit differently than the rest of the 8 inchers.
And I really do want to subscribe. Have to wait a while though. Wish my wife had asked me what I wanted a subscription to a while back. She got me a subscription for Valentine's day to a magazine I really didn't want anymore. sigh.
It is frustrating to read one of the articles and find out that you have to subscribe to see the whole thing.
Another question is about the mounting to the leaf springs. Doesn't the Pinto and II use some sort of pad or spacer that the normal 8 inch ones don't? That was one of the "weak points" brought up on the II site about them. It might not really matter for a medium powered car anyway.
Russ
I have a 8" from a '70's era Maveric in my wagon (project)
It has 5 lug axles and was a direct bolt in, no mods needed.
Hey i hear ya about the subscription money thing. Ive been subscribing for 6+ years now and every once in a while i have to let it lapse.
I got rid of the rubber spacers in the clamp setup and placed another small leaf in there to take up the room. IIRC. Yea if you leave them in there especially since they are probably shot, it will create a weak link.
I got my 8 out of a 79 v6 sedan. I grabbed the springs,and the axle so i had the extras to fool around with. Since the leaf mounting points are further apart front to back on 74 and up pintos, i ended up using the old springs i had and then just pulled apart the later leaves and grabbed the small leave at the bottom. Seemed to work great!
From a standstill it will smoke the BF's and no wheel hop. Course i also have full poly bushings as well front to back on the leaves.
(When i go to the strip i will of course have the traction bars and drag radials )
Thanks. Adding that extra leaf sounds like a good solution.
I spent most of the evening trying to get the II rear off of the II. Taking it off in one piece with the springs still attached. Got the front mounting brackets off from inside the car, that made it pretty easy. Used a sawzall to cut the shocks after I got frustrated trying to unbolt them. Still need to get the rear of the springs unbolted/cut. Wish I had a torch. Broke the one sawzall blade I had trying to cut through the bushing and the bolt.
I also took the V6 frame mounts off. Once I figured out a way to do it with only me, it wasn't too hard.
Hoping to be done with it tomorrow. Need to get the II sent to scrap so I can clean the garage before moving the Pinto in.
Russ
Ouch!! Have to warn you that the bushings on the front leafs are HARD. They are not afraid of sawalls!! So you might just keep on busting blades!
I had some extra peices that i ended up using in another part of the car. I had to shorten them. THEY SPARKED BIG TIME with the cutoff wheel. Like i was striking flint!
SO youll probably have better luck soaking the bolts in PB Blaster or some other good penatrant OR maybe heating them with a propane tortch and get out the big guns like a 1/2" breaker bar and some Muscle to break them loose.
Sounds like a big bunch of work!
Now that im getting "older" (amazing what 6 years and 2 kids can do to you!! LOL) I try to do things the easy way if possible!!
GL!
Edit, Im not sure where you are but there are a ton of crown vic "complete with brakes" rear ends on ebay.
Some going for dirt cheap. Since most of what you need is attached to the rear, that might make things easier!
I havenet found the adapter pieces from the article though. Im sure they are still around somewhere.
Goodnight for now!
Robert
Cutoff wheel. Why didn't I think of that? I have a 4 inch grinder, if I can find the key (chuck) for it, and some cutoff wheels. I tried just cutting the shackles, but I couldn't get a good angle on it with the sawzall. The car isn't really up high enough, but in the shape it is in it is as high as I am comfortable with.
I hear you about doing things the easy way. I am 50. This stuff isn't as easy as it used to be. :-) But it is still fun, as long as it isn't stay up all night to fix the car to go to work stuff.
In Akron Ohio. Don't do Ebay any more. Plus, can't afford anything right now. I have the II rear so it will work.
I used to have the website saved for that brake change over. Not sure if I still have it, I got rid of most of my vintage mustang stuff when I gave away my 69 project.
I just asked on the vintage mustang site, hope to get an answer soon.It was someone from there that was selling them a few years ago at least.
Russ
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on April 25, 2010, 12:50:23 AM
I havenet found the adapter pieces from the article though. Im sure they are still around somewhere.
Goodnight for now!
Robert
I found the adapters. The sellers name is fastmerc on ebay. Here is a link to a current auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
I knew someone on the vintage mustang site would come through. :-)
If I had the cash (and still used ebay) I would buy a set of both, so I would have them when I finally get the brakes. With my luck, things like this tend to quit being sold just when I need them.
Russ
Quote from: russosborne on April 25, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
I found the adapters. The sellers name is fastmerc on ebay. Here is a link to a current auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
I knew someone on the vintage mustang site would come through. :-)
If I had the cash (and still used ebay) I would buy a set of both, so I would have them when I finally get the brakes. With my luck, things like this tend to quit being sold just when I need them.
Russ
How cool!
I have them on my watch list now. I will probably be doing this in the future. But as you say they will probably stop selling them when you actually need it !! LOL
So considering the amount of crown vics in the yards these days i bet you could really go budget on this stuff! Also dont forget that major yards do there half price weekends at least twice a year and with that you could save some major cash! Its what ill be doing when i decide to take the plunge! Its what i did as well when i bought the rear end and springs way back when... Saved a bundle!
So if you dont mind me asking why dont you do Ebay anymore?? Bad experience? too much money spent?? (LOL! that would be my problem hehehe.) How are you going to get those parts then? Just curious, not trying to pry.. Well i guess i am!
Robert
Problem for me is that when places have those sales I don't have the cash.
Ebay. One reason was the money I spent there. Another (and the main reason) is that I quit in protest a couple three years ago when they started scr@#ing the small sellers. I never sold, but I bought most of the stuff I did from small sellers, and Ebay is trying real hard to get rid of them.
As far as these parts go, when the time comes I will see if I can contact fastmerc and buy the stuff direct. If not, then I guess I won't be getting them from him.
Russ
Update. Someone posted a tutorial on making your own spacers for this swap on the Mustang site.
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/mod-custom-forum/580960-rear-discs-your-8inch-rear-spacer-tutorial.html (http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/mod-custom-forum/580960-rear-discs-your-8inch-rear-spacer-tutorial.html)
Russ
All of those rear ends mentioned are wider than the Pinto.
I can't remember the Lincoln car name, same as the Granada, 1977 had rear dics brakes and if my mine served me right it was an 8"or 9"? Something like "Versay"
Quote from: fordmastertech on April 27, 2010, 10:27:17 AM
All of those rear ends mentioned are wider than the Pinto.
Yes of course they are. The reason for buying the whole shabang is to get all the hardware and peices that are needed in the swap to disk brakes.
Quote from: Carolina Boy on April 27, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
I can't remember the Lincoln car name, same as the Granada, 1977 had rear dics brakes and if my mine served me right it was an 8"or 9"? Something like "Versay"
Its a granada versailles. They had a 9" rear end and that was a killer swap for the pinto. However they are rarer than hens teeth these days. If you find a complete rear end i bet it way more expensive than having a custom mild 9 built from scratch these days.
All good info guys!
umm the lincoln versailles im still on the look out for one of those! id rather not ditch out the 1000+ for one ill use a 8.8 before i pay that for a used 9 inch
Just to close out the original question, looks like I have a buyer for the 67 Stang rear, so I will be going with the II rear for sure.
Hey, $40 is $40. :-)
Russ
I got my Granada rear today and it is a 9" but drum brakes. The car had a 351 with tow package. Best of all I got the whole car for $250. So I got the heavy springs, drive shaft, rotors and calipers and radiator. I am FIVE lug bound. Already have a buyer for the shell, actually making $50.