I was looking through the latest issuse of Hemmings Motor News last night and came to the "C" pages, which I usually skip, but thoght it would be fun to see what ridiculous prices the chevy-boys out there were asking for there vega's. Now, don't get me wrong, I knew what a vega looked like before but, just seeing a picture of one, I relized what a copy of design that Chevy had stolen from Ford. I mean, at lest they could have changed the front ends just a little bit, ya know???? And this isn't the first time they've stolen designs either, back in the 30's 40's, and even to some cars of today! I dunno, it just makes me mad. >:(
Ford was just copying the japs...It was all a race for a small economical car.
Yep..Chevys really su.ck...Now wait, which cars blew up into a ball of flames when rear-ended? :P
Here's a car I'm restoring...Stock for stock, it'll roast any of the newer mustangs, minus the blown cobras.
www.cardomain.com/id/xxbulaxx
Hmmmmm, modern technology, smooth running, awesome looks, great stereo, great milage, high horse power, drive it 50k miles before opening the hood
----vs.---
no power until 6,000 rpm, 10mpg, adjust the valves every other tank of gas, afraid to nail it for fear of breaking a rare part......... I guess I like them both.
And don't forget, all Cameros are collector's cars, remember?? They don't make them anymore............................something about lack of sales. ;)
Actually, it's 8 mpg if you drive it like you should...On 110 leaded gas too...
I don't know about adjusting the valves every othe tank...A bit of an exaggeration of your part, maybe? ;D
Never open the hood for 50k miles? Yeah...I've heard about that...Some chick never changed the oil on her car, never check any of the fluids...Wasn't a stang though. My buddy has an 04 cobra, and it's already had problems. The clutch went out on him, even though he babies it...Now the tranny had to be replaced, but that was a factory defect.
And I'm not afraid to nail it...Right now the CF302 is in there, which isn't the rare engine, driveshaft won't break, and the rear-end is a posi 12-bolt...Nothing rare.
I'm looking to get a fox-body soon. I wanna put in a blown 351C...Hmmm...So many possibilities...Turbo pinto or Supercharged stang.
And yeah, mine is a collectors car... It'll pull anywhere between 40-50+ k in mint condition...It should look like new in a few years. I already have the sheet-metal and all of the trim pieces. The interior needs cleaned, and the chassis needs dipped.
I hope your not talking about 40 to 50K for a Vega???? Where are you selling your car, I want in on that deal!!!! Anyway, you wanna talk muscle?? Who started calling there cars "pony cars" AFTER Ford introduced the Mustang in 1964 1/2??? All the chevy boys got scared and thought up the butt-ugly Camaros, which is indefinetly in no style comparison to a sleek bodied Mustang!!!! How many people here would rather own a Mustang (pick a year, any year) , heck make it fair, even a Mustang 2, than a Camaro????? I think it would be very interesting to see!!!!!! And then, when were done taking that poll, if you want to start bashing cute Pinto's, let's see how many people bother to put a drag race set-up on a vega and take it Racing!!!!!!! Yeah, 1971 was the start of a sub-compact race, but I think that Ford did an exceptional job with the Pinto. As for the Vega, all that I can say is, (blah!)
P.S. As for your Camaro, I can pick up a pretty nice 68 Super Sport, Rally Sport, Z28 on ebay right now for less than the cost of a brand new Ford Pinto Runabout, if I were into that sort of thing. :D
Now hold on, don't get those Chevy boys riled up, or there liable to re-introduce the 1948 Chevy pickup to the market! First they'll put an underpowered V-8 in it and then tie it to a slushbox transmission. Then they'll make it a convertable and have the roof fold down into the cargo bed so you can't haul anything. And if they get real pissed, they'll charge the Bowtie faithfull $45,000 for the privilege of owning one. Oh wait, never mind, they already did!!!
Right-on right-on, my fellow Ford brothers. And remember, nothing looks, smells, or drives Like a Rock!!!!!!(literally) ;) ;D
QuoteI hope your not talking about 40 to 50K for a Inferior Chevy Vega?
If you would have read my post, you would have seen I am talking about a 1969 camaro z/28 with the DZ302 mill.
QuoteHow many people here would rather own a Mustang (pick a year, any year) , heck make it fair, even a Mustang 2, than a Camaro?
Of course, with all of the bias and ignorance being spouted off by people such as yourself, along with the fact that this site is dedicated to a Ford, I would expect people here to choose a mustang.
QuoteI can pick up a pretty nice 68 Super Sport, Rally Sport, Z28 on ebay right now for less than the cost of a brand new Ford Pinto Runabout,
Ok...Sure. Look up a 69 Z/28 in good to mint condition...Here, I'll do it for you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4516485392&category=6161&sspagename=WDVW
This one has beel chopped up and modded...Not #'s matching, and is currently going for 30k.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4517622897&category=6161&sspagename=WDVW
Here's a better example. Origonal Z/28 with almost 9 days left in the auction...26k...It'll sell for close to 40.
OK Guys, Its time to take this down a notch. This is a PINTO site and it is ( roughly) moderated by some of us. Friendly banter is allways welcome but this site is not about mine is bigger than your's. If you have usefull info to share thats great but if you want to fight go to another form to do so.
Thanks........... :)
Okay Okay your right, I was just merely trying to state my opinun from the beginning. I don't know why a Chevy lover came to this site to try to bash my word, but he picked the wrong person to do it to. I truly am devoted to my Pinto and try to express my feelings as so but when some peoples ignorance (such as thinking that a regular modifed z28 Camaro is worth more than an all-original RS/SS/Z28 Camaro if you want to take it to the big boys at Barret-Jackson) that angers me. But I will stop this if need be and all of my previous comments can be ignored. I guess wether you are a devoted Ford, Chey, or Mopar fan, respectivly, you have the right to your own opinon and I opligize if I offended any of the rest of you.
I'm devoted to everything on 4 wheels. I really don't understand why some don't even like the new Rice generation (the cars that is, I get angry at the things the younger kids do but they're doing the exact same thing I used to do). Here's my list in the 21 years I've been driving, I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple.
Fords (6)
Chevys (5)
Mopar (3)
buick (1)
Olds (1)
Toyota (1)
VW (1)
Kia (1)
Nope, no loyalty here. I've even Hot Rodded about half these cars one way or another.
A hot rod Kia! I can't say as though I've ever pulled up next to one of those!
Quote from: BlueGoldPinto on January 07, 2005, 08:30:47 PM
Okay Okay your right, I was just merely trying to state my opinun from the beginning. I don't know why a Chevy lover came to this site to try to bash my word, but he picked the wrong person to do it to. I truly am devoted to my Pinto and try to express my feelings as so but when some peoples ignorance (such as thinking that a regular modifed z28 Camaro is worth more than an all-original RS/SS/Z28 Camaro if you want to take it to the big boys at Barret-Jackson) that angers me. But I will stop this if need be and all of my previous comments can be ignored. I guess wether you are a devoted Ford, Chey, or Mopar fan, respectivly, you have the right to your own opinon and I opligize if I offended any of the rest of you.
Before I stop, I have a few things to add.
I never tried to bash your word, look at the posts, you started bashing chevy for no reason.
I'd also like to see where I said a Z/28 that's been modded is worth more than an original. I said that one was all chopped up, but was still selling for over 30k. The whole point of the restoration of my car is to return it back to a factory original condition.
I am also not just a die-hard chevy guy. My dad is, and that's what I grew up around. Big-block chevelles and 57' chevys bring back lots of memories. Check out some of my other posts, I'm planning on doing either a turbo-pinto or a nice fox-body.
You're right about one thing, though. Vega's are retarded, and they always will be...Although they can be just as fast(With a Chevy smallblock) as a 302 pinto... ;)
Quotebig boys at Barret-Jackson
;D I swear, noone can spell my last name right... It's Barre
tt. Although, you spelled it better than most people, including my teachers, do.
OK, everybody is cool........... ;D
And Speaking of the Barrett (spell it right this time, Greg?) -Jackson auction,I think it would be really awsome to see a fully restored, or all original, or full- blown dragged out Pinto up on the auction block, I think it would do either really well or really, uh, not well. I mean, why not? You see some of the big-boy Thunderbirds of the seventies, and people buy those!!!! Is there a certian limit as to what kind of car you have to register???? I think it would go either great or get boo'd off the stage ( and some people might be afraid to step behind them!) What do ya'll think?
(Let's get's some bugs up there too!!!! Everyone loves a cute Volkswagen or two!)
Brad's already toned down the situation, so I'll hang loose on this thread for the time being.
My vehicle history:
Ford/Mercury: 1976 Mercury Comet (totalled in an accident), 1974 (or '75?...don't remember) Mustang II (2.8 V6, no problems, sold for $300), 1974 F100 (302 from a '69 Mustang...transmission blew, sold for $60), 1984 Bronco II (transmission blew, abandoned), 1993 Mercury Villager (engine seized after ex-wife crushed oil filter and continued driving), 1984 F150 (302, engine blew, sold for salvage: $75), 1992 Tempo (2.3L, been through 2 starters, still own), 1992 Ford Aerostar (4.0L, still own and drive), 1974 Pinto Wagon (currently a "project" car...or parts car), 1972 Pinto Wagon (daily driver);
GM (1978 Pontiac Grand Prix (301, engine blew, rebuilt it, traded it on Cutlass), 1979 Olds Cutlass (puny V6), 1980-something Olds Omega (4 banger blew), 1980-something Buick Century (traded in on '86 Grand Am), 1986 Grand Am (engine blew, traded straight across for Mustang II), 1988 Beretta (bought for $700, sold for $600, engine blew shortly after selling), 1991 Grand Am (4 cylinder HO, totalled and rebuilt front end 3 times, engine blew);
Nissan (1)...an abandoned 1990 Pulsar left at a motel with "engine problems." The problem was a loose coil wire. 1600cc engine. Eventually #4 cylinder dropped through pan, I rebuilt it, *that* #4 cylinder made a similar exit one month later, abandoned with real engine problems.
I refuse to buy new vehicles. All of these were 8-years-old or older when I bought them. I do routine maintenance and I'm not overly hard on vehicles I drive. Still, I've had similar problems with all makes and models. Chevy has given me engine problems over and over. Ford has mixed engine and transmission problems.
I think one problem is that the cars of the 70's, 80's, and early 90's were built for 55 mph speed limits. With the speed limits here in Kansas being 65 to 70, the cars just don't have the ability to run at that level. Some of them weren't too whippy at 55 mph (the Omega, and Cutlass are primary examples).
I know lots of car guys who get snippy about Ford vs. Chevy vs. Mopar. That stuff doesn't belong here.
This site simply helps Pinto owners/enthusiasts learn and share information about their vehicles.
Oh, Chevy V**a is a four-letter word around here.
Thats alot of engine blows, maybe the 70mph had nothing to do with it but trying to get ther in under 4 seconds did?
Maybe the Penzoil liquid ball bearings failed?
Did you have a 16 year old male driver any of these times? (I NEVER hot roded my parents car ::))
It probably has more to do with the fact most vehicles I buy already have 130K+ miles (usually 165K+) on the odometer and I drive them until there's major failure and then spend another $500 to $1500 to get another car to drive to the junkyard.
Too many cars to list (31 or2 to be exact) but I know whatcha mean about Ford and it's tranny problems. Got a 96 Contour, sweet looking, fast little car with a 2.4 liter twin valve dual overhead cam drive (blew off some cheesy chevy's and some 5.0 mustangs with teenage drivers) but the flywheel went and the tranny lost passing gear(second) so right now it sittin' waiting for me to drive it.(Picked that car up for $800) Also now currently running 95 Contour the we got for $600 just before they took away to the salvage yard... it pulled itself for awhile but on a trip the tranny totally went on it going up a hill, just made it then trying to cross at a busy intersection(that was fun...)but that was what was sussposed to be originally wrong with the car, nothing else. In fact, the car was going to go to "The Yard" with a brand new Jasper engine(same as the 96') as we later found out in the glove-box the brocher was still in there and the date the engine was up for warranty(which it still had a year left....) and the Chevy garage that was going to send it to the salvage yard did'nt have clue!!!!
Also, hats off to our little 89' Festiva. $500 ($400?) for that car, alittle love a care and we took it to the dragstip where it blew off a fox-body 5.0 liter Mustang....what a night, I love that little car. And anohter good deal, a 93 Ford F150 we picked up for $600 ( $500 for the truck, $100 for the sweet diamond plated box in the back) with a 5.0 liter in it with diamond plated bed guard rails, with a tad bit of a rust and smoke problem, did some bodywork and the truck looks great!!!! (red with a gray stripe, got a repaint after the famous Ford Truck fender well rust-repair. Heck, we even got a cute little Ford tractor for $600, just had to replace the magneto so far.... And also my cute little love-bug, picked up for $600, needs some major rust repair on the floor. Lot's of good deals, and that's not the half of it.........
Duh, how could I forget my Pinto??? $500 straight and that car is not too bad if I don't say so myself.
My little brother tried to covert me to chevy. It is a 80 Z28 with T-tops and all the numbers match.it sits at my dads in the weeds. I built a turbo pinto and can't stop to get a pepsi with out some wanting to talk about pinto for at least an hour. I think I built the better of the two.
The vega was a design derivative of the European Opel kadette, with some '70 Camaro styling added to tie it into the US family. Nothing on it copied the Pinto. And yes, with V8s, they can be as fun as V8 Pintos. I love them both.
My first car was a '62 Comet, followed by a '71 Torino GT w/429 and a '72 Pinto race car, back in '79. I've had over a hundred cars since then, 3 of which were bought new (my '96 Ranger Splash, '99 SVT Contour, and '02 PT Curiser Touring edition). I've had cars from most every major manufacturer, from Ford to Porsche. I just finished a restoration on a '81 Fiat 124 Spider and am finally getting started on my '63 Comet convertible show car project (after being on hold for 15 years...)
This "brand loyalty" stuff is the automotive equivalent of the caveman tribal loyalty, and is as outdated... There's no reason to hate everything but your favorite in order to justify having that favorite. And you can like most everything and still have a favorite or two.
One of these days, I'll get around to building my big block Pinto for fun. But that doesn't mean I can't like and appreciate other brands and styles of cars...
I'm not going to even start about the Vega again, and yes, I still do think there is a little Pinto influence in its design. I might make a point of it to contact GM and get the number of the designer if hes still living......
Anyway, without brand loyalty where would this whole idea of mustang clubs and cavalier clubs and firebird clubs,(and pinto clubs) come into play? I'm not saying that you HAVE to have brand loyalty to join these clubs, there are probably plenty of pinto owners out there that own nothing else but chevys or mopar products, but rather that having a sense a brand loyalty make these kinds of clubs fun, (if I am sitting at a dragstip and a pinto comes up against a cavalier, I'm definently going to route for the Pinto) and going to all ford, chevy, or mopar events is fun because you are around people with the same certain interests as you, and can relate to those engine problems, tranny problems or what have you, and who you can laugh with when you share stories about beating that kid with the cavalier or firebird. Don't bash brand loyalty, or people with brand loyalty, it's about as innocent as a baby sucking a lollipop, it's what makes the car world as we know it.
By the way, we don't just own Fords, we have a Feiro, a Corvair, a New Yorker two door hardtop a 46 Plymoth coupe, and MGB a 1930 Chevy, a Cadillac a Dune buggy, a 74 Volkswagen bug, a corvette, and an Audi, so I'm versitile too. :P
Quote from: BlueGoldPinto on February 24, 2005, 04:03:37 PMDon't bash brand loyalty, or people with brand loyalty, it's about as innocent as a baby s*cking a lollipop, it's what makes the car world as we know it.
That would be nice, were it true. But run around automotive forums. it's incessant and insulting. People are uisng brand loyalty to run aroun dinsulting everything that isnt' their favorites. This isnt' a high school football game. This is the real world where real people have multiple interests. Runing around insulting people's interests because they are different is rude, and it speaks to the ignroance of teh person making the comments.
I'm not taking about being PC. I'm talking about runing around in message boards going "all your brand X cars zoop and are total pieces of garbage. Only gays and morons buy them." Once or twice it might be funny ribbing. A few million times (to every car type FROM every car type) and you see the larger pattern of caveman levels of ignorance and hatred of "the Other."
It's worse for those of us that like off brand or non-popular models. it would be nice to be able to enjoy the hobby without constantly being ridiculed for liking something "different." Again, a few times would be easy to shrug off. A few years of it, and you wonder why you are in the hobby in the first place. And then, when you are interested in one of those off models, and you go to a website for them and see the fans doing the exact same things to other cars you like, you wonder if any of these people have ever actually learned anything? There's no reason to bash on other cars to get help on YOUR car.
Well, number one
Sure people have different interests, always have always will. No one asks a person to buy a certain brand of car they just do, brand loyalty or what have you, so that has to say something about the person right there. When you buy a car you buy it fora number of reasons, some having more importance than others. One of those importances is that you trust the brand of car your buying, that's probably why you even bothered to look at before you look at "brand X" of cars first, so that is a type of brand loyalty right there, and you don't even have to speak to show that.
Number two
If showing intrest and knowledge in the type of car you like is ignorance, than I think Webster needs to rewrite his dictionary, because I always thought that ignorance is a complete disunderstanding and stupidity of something, not the latter. Insulting somebody is rude, agreed, but that's life. People get insulted everyday, if they can't take getting insulted over the kind of car they drive, then tough. That's not what this hobby is all about I understand, but people are like that. Like I said before people join chevy clubs and mopar clubs and pinto clubs because they like their cars, and they like people that like their cars, and they share a common interest in keeping the hooby alive like this site does with Pinto's. People that join these clubs probably have other brands of cars that people don't like, but there will always be people like that, if that goes back to time of the Cro-Magneon people then I guess we know where us Homo sapieans got it from. Are we supposed to be better than that? We are only as good as are ancestors made us man. Just like a photograph, the print is only as good as the negative. People will be people, and brand loyalty is a part of that. It is still an innocent thing, some people have their own ideas and brand loyalty is a part of that with most people. Heck you wouldn't be on thjis site if you didn't like the Pinto, isn't that like, make loyalty? You may say, no I just love my car, I don't have a bais over it than any other car. But their are people out there that do, and chances are it will probably always be that way, live with it. Calling people with brand loyalty ignorant and "cavemen" is insulting other people's idea's too. And isn't that what you posted back here and said you were tired of in the first place? Why did I post that about the Vega? Because that was my opinoin, still, is chances are you won't change that. And while you can think of me as you like, I can live with people with brand loyalty because I am proud of the brand of cars that I buy the most and can understand why other people defend their favorite brand of cars. But that won't stop me from stating my opinon about my favorite brand. And as long as I have the facts to back my opinon up, then I don't think that I am as ignorant as you think I am. Not being able to back up your knowledge with facts is ignorant. But most people with brand loyalty have that covered, because they know that going to war with a gun that has no bullets in it is pretty stupid. Ignorant? I think a better choice of words could fit there. I do appreciate your opinoun. It only serves to open up my knowledge about the different types of people out there, so that I can work on my words in the future. I hope that you feel the same way.
Thanks
people can like whatever car turns their crank, i love Fords....i work at Ford. My buddy is a Chevy man, we rib eachother.....alot sometimes, but all in good fun. My parents owned a '75 vega gt with a 327 4 speed in it....i loved that car also. I drive a Hyundia Accent to work everyday, its cheap to run, decent quality and i couldn't get a used Focus for near what i paid for it or there would be another Ford in my driveway. This is a site dedicated to the ford pinto, so lets keep on track here guys, not argue about ignorance....we don't need this thread getting out of hand....again. Jeff
Yeah, what Jeff said..................... >:(
I was never tring to tell people what brand of cars to like, so I don't know where that came from. Like I said I was merely trying to state my opinun about how I thought that Chevy Vega's had some design influence from the Pinto. I was venting. I was stating my opinun, which is what everyone else does here too. Some people agreed some people didn't. I said the first time you guys told us to tone it down that I apologize if anything I said offended anyone, well I still do. I said that I would stop I need be, I did. This thread was very dormant for a while, till Mr. V came by and stated his opinun about what I was saying, I by that I could see that he did'nt understand why I posted that in the first place. So I posted back. I don't know if he read the above yet, but if he has, mabye he finally saw what I was talking about. I am totally willing to stop this right now, you think I like explaining things over and over again? I'm just wondering when other people will stop. The original message that I posted in the first place was " I think that chevy stole some of the design points off the Pinto and put them to work on the Vega, and that is not the first time I think that they had done that, what do you people out there on this site that own Pinto's and mabye Vega's or have seen Vega's know what I am talking about and what do you think about it?" No where in there did I say Chevy's totally zoop,I hate them and people that drive them, Ford is the best brand out there, and anyone that thinks different can contact me about it and tell me what you think about it, even if I don't give a rat's A$$ what you chevy people think. If that's how I thought, then that is what I would of said. But that is not what I thought, or what I think, and that I diffinently not what I said. I did say however that I too own chevy's and other various brands of cars along with owning Fords and that I was versitle. So I do not know why this whole brand loyalty thing came up, mabye Mr. V thought that was what I was talking about in the first place. So like I said, I was simply trying to explain my place on this post. Sorry for the confusion and the insults, if I made any, once again and to any body else that bothers to read the whole thread next time please if you have anything to say about the Pinto's influence on the Vega say it and do not blow off on to any other topic or say people that have certain opinuns are ignorant or brand loyal or whatever because I am tired of getting contacted on this particular post by the site administraters and apoligizing over and over again for something that somebody said that got way off topic and I just had to respond because I guess it just seems like I like running my mouth or something. :P If you want to talk about this subject, please do. If you don't, please beware to prepare to get an EARFULL! ;D Once again, sorry people, sorry site administraters, consider the brand loyalty arguing stopped, but also consider that everything that I said still holds true to my words and was an expression of my personal opinun. CASE CLOSED! lets just leave it at that okay? And, no, I did not just say all this to sound like a smart a$$ I am just a little tired of hearing it to like all the rest of you people probably are and you 2 site administraters I know are definatly tired of hearing it and having to break it up. SO POST AT YOUR OWN RISK if it is something other than what I posted to begin with, otherwise, I too, can be very pleasent, and would like to hear your replys about the subject, if I didn't want to hear anything about it from you people, I would'nt have said anything to begin with.
Thanks, hope this finally helps ;D :D ;) :)
Permission to post a pic of my old '74 BB396 Chevy Vega..... please??? I had to sell it due to the strict Calif. smog laws & had a hard time racing it because once I reclined the seat back so my helmet would clear the 12 point cage, then I couldn't reach the damn switches and the spooled rear about tore the front end off while turning. It had a 9:1 pump gas, drive it all day, idle it at 600 396 t400 and ran a 12 flat at Carlsbad when the new owner finally ran it in the quarter AND I got a video of him running a 11:40 spinning the tires all through 1st & 2nd on a 100 shot of the funny stuff at good old Pomona. Hey! this just gave me an idea for a new post.
i'd like to see it.
Post It! I definantly want to see that!
As far as who copied whom, doesn't the '78 Pinto front end actually replicate the earlier Vega models?
Just curious.
I can see a simularity as far as the inset of the headlights on some on the earlier Vegas, but as for the Vegas with headlights that did'nt have that rubber thing around them, and the kinda octagonal shape, some of the body lines, and the bumpers, that is where I see some simularaties. Also, the basic shape and design was kinda copied, in my opinun.But yeah, otherwise I know what your saying.
OK maybe we need to put this to bed..... First of all I'm NOT defending or attacking either position. Point of fact, in the late 60's early 70's it took upwards of 5 years to develop a car from scratch. Both vehicles in question are "clean sheet" designs. They were started around the same time, however Chevy also developed the engine, that's why it's entry came later. (I'm trying to avoid using veg@ cause I' don't want it to add "inferior") Cars of this era look just as similar as cars of the early 70's. Any similarites are PURELY CO-INCEDENTAL. The stylists had all the same influences & did all the same drugs. Though I wish they hadn't shared those with the engineers! It's just dumb luck that both cars had (at least later models) 140cu in overhead cam engines.
I've owned BOTH. I had a '75 Astre wagon (pontiac clone of the chevy) it was a GREAT handling car, however, like the '75 Pinto it was underpowered. Mechanically the two cars are very similar, as is my opinion of them. My brand loyalties run to Ford or I'd own a Veg@. Fords have just been better to me than GM. I've got friends who've had terrible luck with Fords & so swear by GM or Mopar. You know the old saying about opinions & bellybuttons. Everybody's got one.
Again I'm not trying to defend OR attack anyone, just set a few facts straight, to end a debate that could go FOREVER. I know some of us bleed Ford Blue & a few of us bleed Chevy Orange, but the plasma that carries it is PURE 10W-40. A little good natured rivalry is a good thing, however this looks to end in bloodshed & bad feelings.
damn you guys, i know this is a FORD PINTO site,im only 17 and i own a 75 pinto and a 78 LTD the only reason i got them is cuz they were cheap ($100 and $150) but i dont understand how u guys could be so loyal to ONE brand or company, thats just foolish. i think every car company makes something good, i mean look at the '70 chevelle LS6 you have to admit that is one of the most beautiful and powerfull production cars ever made, even though the boss 429 is better (Lol) but seriously... cant we all just get along?
we sure can....everyone is entitled to have an opinion on what car, or car company they like! 'nuff said.....this thread is now locked ;D