So i took a road trip to help install a refurbished 2.3 in a 79 wagon... Well after getting the motor started (remember on automatics to plug in the electronics to the tranny) oil came GUSHING out the oil separator. We are talking 5 quarts on the ground in 10 seconds of running.
Now here are the details to my question:
-How do you properly remove and install a oil separator
-can you still buy them
- can you block the hole on the block or use some other trick since there is no pcv vavle or anything
- and is this a problem with the oil separator it self or could a oil passage in the block had been clogged causing this.
This is a very urgent matter if anyone has important info please call 541-260-1413- Jake
Damn! That's wild! :o
1. the seperator is pressed in and pryed/wiggled out.
2. not sure if they are available anywhere new
3. you can't block the hole because the crankcase needs to vent. why don't you have a pcv, is this a race car? I ask because on my race engines I tap the hole and use a fitting that goes to a catch can.
4. you have a problem somewhere else. The only thing I can think of right off is the oil pump relief is stuck and you are getting like 200+ psi of oil pressure. :P
thanks... Im thinking oil pump is the problem too.
Im still trying to figure out the best way to modify my pcv system on 2.3 motors. Any sugestions? I have found: http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,9267.msg56929.html#msg56929 (http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,9267.msg56929.html#msg56929)
But don't have ANYONE in southern Or that can tell me a single thing about: 1. a Ford, 2. a 2.3 Ford, or 3. a 2.3 Ford Pinto... It is very frustrating. Anyone who uses a 2.3 is minstock racing and dosn't have the time, it they are working on a motor its theirs.
Thanks for the advice and I think- out with the motor off with the pan and change the oil pump... and we will see. It has power steering and I hate moving those racks, so motor out
First thought is you are pressurizing the entire crankcase ie massive blowby. Is there a breather in the valve cover? You have to be making air pressure in the crankcase to force oil up and out. Is the oil for sure coming out the seperator? I believe there is an oil gallery down that side of the block...possible hole or crack? Let us know what you find. JT
Yea, after thinking about it, I'm not sure that excessive oil pressure would do that. Most likely that would cause seals and gaskets to blow out. There would have to be massive amounts of pressue in the crankcase to blow out that much oil in 10 seconds. I think I have to agree with 72pair, cracked block. :(
Hey,
Why not veryify that the Crankcase is really vented? If it allows even a small amount of air in but won't purge through the separator, it's just a Giant air pump. It will push the oil out fast wherever it can!
My two cents..
Pintosopher
Yea, I would pull the separator out altogether, fill it with oil and disconnect the coil wire, even pull the plugs out and just spin it w/ the starter. no use firing the engine, you only get 10 seconds of run time that way. If it doesn't push the oil out, fire it with the separator out.
Some speculation. I can not figure out a method for the engine to dump 5 quarts in 10 seconds via the crankcase vent. If this loss rate is accurate, I suspect it is being pumped out. The oil filter is near the crankcase oil separator and a leak at the filter may hose down the separator giving you a false sense of the source. Suggest removing, inspecting, and replacing the oil filter. Hopefully it is not something difficult like a stuck oil pump pressure regulator (this would cause a good filter to leak, see past cookieboy thread) or a cracked block.
A friend did a oil and filter replacement. He did not inspect the block filter flange before installing the new filter. The O-ring gasket from the old filter stayed attached to block and when he spun on the new filter, he had two gaskets installed. When started, it promply pumped the oil out. I had a similar experience when I did not get the gasket on a old canister oil filter right and it also pumped all oil out at first crank.
I have been doing hours of research on anything this can be. The hard part is that it isn't my motor nor is it at my house... Its an hour and a half up the Oregon coast. The guy had got this block from scary ebay and for some reason the rear main cap was busted... didn't inquire if that had happened before or after unloading. Oh, I first dealt with the motor after the head, oil pan, valve cover were on. Also its a referb head.
The first time we fired up the motor and lost our first 4 quarts and $14.99 or break-in oil I thought it was the oil filter... so I tightened it. Second time, and $14.99 more, oil came out at the bottom of the oil separator. I reached down and grabbed hold of the it and could wiggle it. I then inquired if it had come on the block already and he said, "No, i pryed it off the old block." I'm not the fan or words like pry or beat when it comes to motors. Any hoo, I need to make a trip and take a look at the motor and see: it the blocks cracked, if the oil pumps bad, and how i can replace the oil separator.
Thanks a bunch, still think about it though cuz it may happen to someone some day.
I agree with the idea that you can't pump oil out the separator in 10 seconds. I just re-ringed my 2.3 in the car, and the separator hole is at least 3 inches or more above the level of the oil with the pan full. If you plugged up the entire pcv system you'd probably see the dipstick pop out first, then other seals and gaskets. Hole in the block sounds more like it. I had a 2.0 that I got running in a 73 that had a pinhole in the block that pee'd antifreeze. I tapped on the little hole and it grew to the size if a dime!
Joe