Am I the only person who is bothered by the way rust is described in ads? It seems way too often people describe the absence of metal as rust. What I mean is they are describing the hole that was left by the rust - that is no longer there.
I'll see ads where the car is described as having "NO RUST" and yet the vehicle is covered with it. Then they will claim that a small hole created by the rust is the "only rust" on the car.
Rust is the oxidized steel of a brownish color. The hole created by rust is just that - a hole. It is not rust, it is the end result of rust having completed its cycle.
The other issue is what constitutes "surface rust." I have soaked even mildly surface rusted parts in a metal etching prep and typically the rust is deeper than "surface."
Anyway, I guess I have just looked at too many ads with a distorted "rust" claim and felt the need to ask if it bothered others as much as it does me.
Tom
:lol:
Reminds me of a Cougar I looked at once (the car, get your mind out of the gutter) listed as mint condition. Drove an hour to look at a car with its windows down (car was full of leaves) four flat tires from sitting for years just for laughs I asked him top start it, that was funny to watch and more rot (excuse me ) Rust, than was found on the Titanic.
:mad: I hate liars as well, I especially love that every Pinto on e-bay has 50,000 original miles on it, like we don't know the speedometer turns at 99,999, I have almost this much mileage on my 2005 Expedition and it isn't 39 years old. All I can say to these people is :showback:
that reminds me of a car i looked at "surface rust" the only surface the rust had was my hand going through the holes. they told me to stop as i was making it worse, i laughed as they walked away i went to the other side and pulled more large rust pieces off and walked away. funny thing it was garage kept untill 6 months prior.
maybe that was when the pulled it out from the garage that had fallen on it years ago.
Haha, that's to funny Phil! :lol:
They told me my wagon didn't have any rust on it at all. Well, it is semi-true, but it DOES have rust, just not badly, and only in small spots. The car IS brown though, so it's rather hard to tell when viewed by a total amateur.
Quote from: rear ended on January 04, 2010, 08:47:43 PM
:lol:
Reminds me of a Cougar I looked at once (the car, get your mind out of the gutter) listed as mint condition.
Who me?
Rust. Yeah, it's out there. Or should I say it's IN there, quietly hiding, unseen, unknown. My wagon project is one of those that, had I known any better, I might have passed on it.
Rust in the floors. Rust at the cowl. Rust at the interface between the front wheelhouse and the firewall. Rust in the door bottoms. Rust that severely corroded the bumper backing plates. Rust that almost completely ate away the passenger inner fender, which is currently (read: as soon as the d#^n temperatures get up again) in the process of being removed/replaced.
Even southern cars (I do NOT mean desert/dry climate cars) can suffer from rust. Leave any car outdoors, unprotected, and see what happens. With the work I have done, most of my rust is repaired, but I would have chosen not to deal with it. The silver lining? I have good fenders and quarters, aside from the dents. The car never saw salt and snow, or it would have been a complete loss.
Chris
Hey, even here in "It never rains in California" our cars still rust. It's because, "when it pours, man it pours." Coastal cars suffer significanly from the salty air. All the 60 mile trips I made to Santa Barbara to look at... well... rust.
The real problem with California cars is they often get leaks into the interior. Then the water sits under the carpets and eats the floors away. I have seen a good number of cars that look great from underneath. But pull up the carpet and the damage is apparent.
Tom
......they often get leaks into the interior. Then the water sits under the carpets and eats the floors away. I have seen a good number of cars that look great from underneath. But pull up the carpet and the damage is apparent.
That's EXACTLY what I ran into. When I asked why carpet was wet, seller told me, "I had the windows cracked open when it rained". Told the truth about the rain, but was a LIAR otherwise.
Chris
I almost don't want to pull up the carpet on the wagon, since I already know what I will find. :(
When I replaced the carpets in my car, in September 2009 the floors where like new ,but the windshield and heater core leaked when i first got it .So when took the carpets out,, i was ready for a night mare,,but to my surprise it was clean..The car,,, when i bought it was outside for sale for 2 years.....
Yea, I delayed the look for a few weeks. But, I knew I could cry or "Get-er Dun" and went right at it.
My passenger floor was pretty far gone. I made this panel up out of an old computer case. I put the dimples in with two different sized socket (one on the top, other bottom) and a 5 pound hammer. If you notice I came up one short on the dimples. I hit my finger so hard I still have a scar. That was enough.
Tom
That looks pretty darn good to me nice job
I might be guilty of the "surface Rust" naming but here's my side of the story...
To me, "surface rust" means that little bit of rust you see peeking through the paint. With elbow grease and some sandpaper it can be erased. "Rust cancer" to me is when the rust and its byproducts are bubbled under the paint or freed from the car outright. It looks like, well, tumors. I've never tried to sell my cars so I've never told fibs about rust or lack thereof but when I describe rust that's how I describe it. A hole caused bu rust is just that. ;D Hope I didn't irritate anyone. I seem to be good at that. :-\
Quote from: blupinto on January 06, 2010, 03:37:12 PM
I might be guilty of the "surface Rust" naming but here's my side of the story...
To me, "surface rust" means that little bit of rust you see peeking through the paint. With elbow grease and some sandpaper it can be erased. "Rust cancer" to me is when the rust and its byproducts are bubbled under the paint or freed from the car outright. It looks like, well, tumors. I've never tried to sell my cars so I've never told fibs about rust or lack thereof but when I describe rust that's how I describe it. A hole caused bu rust is just that. ;D Hope I didn't irritate anyone. I seem to be good at that. :-\
MAN, what an irritating response. But just irritating on the surface, not a deep, flaking, hole-creating irritation :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.
Chris
See what I mean? :-\
Yea looks like their gonna get ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hypno: