Went to Pick A Part (So. Cal) today. It was rather sad to see engines with silica run through them and stickers attesting to such.
At the near by U - Pull Parts they had a plethora (hundreds) of "Clunker Cars." There they had a sign stating they would "remove you from the yard" if you attempted to remove drivetrain components (engine, trans, rear end and even the driveshaft) from the clunker cars.
Ford Explorers seemed to be the most represented "clunker vehicle" there. There must have been 50-75 of them. I glanced at the VIN for one. It was under 10 years old and under 100,000 miles. Sad that a lot of decent 302 engines (I have a Sunbeam Tiger) are hands-off!
Tom
Gotta love that green government... I wonder how "green" it is to now dispose of these vehicles and components that won't pollute the environment... idiots... >:(
Two junk yards here in NC got closed down for selling parts off clunker.
Thanks Comrade Obama, isn't socialism great, NOT!!!!
That's what happens when dunderheads want "change" so they forsake all of our freedoms. I'm so glad my tax money is going to help someone get a new car that, in this economy, they'll possibly lose anyway because of car payments. Morons.
That's what happens when morons are put in charge of someone else's money. Since it's taxpayer money, how come we (personally) didn't get to vote on how or if it would be spent? What it boils down to is the gov'mt owns GM & Chrysler so they have to do something to sell thier cars. They don't care about the side effects and long term effects. The drive trains of these vehicles are the bread and butter of salvage yards. How much energy is going to be spent to crush these cars? My friend who owns a yard only fires his up once a month (or less) because it costs so much to run it. The money he gets for these cars after they are crushed (in essence HIS money to begin with) minus the fuel to run the crusher pales to what he could get if it were not of clunker status. These so called "clunkers" are what poor people like me buy, fix up and drive until they die a natural death. (We have some really nice clunkers traded in!!) They only had to buy a car that got 4 MPG more than their clunker. Big savings!!
Quote from: 71pintoracer on September 05, 2009, 07:41:20 AM
They only had to buy a car that got 4 MPG more than their clunker. Big savings!!
And now they just lost their jobs or got their hours cut and can't afford the payments on their nice loan payment they now have to save that extra 4 miles per gallon! :surprised:
Well Said Everyone...
Now the question for the day is: "Who is John Galt?" Hmm?
My world echoes Nero and ancient Rome, and I'm ready to get out the Fiddle and Play...
Hope & Change Verse one ....soon!
Pintosopher , Echoes of Car Trek
Putting a Horse in the senate makes much more sense to me. Everything I am seeing in Washington is nothing more than pinko propaganda.
My kids will not watch any of B.O.s broadcast at school. Cash for clunkers was just another way for more government control of our lives.
I did see that Van Jones the commie, cop watching, trouble maker resigned today. Keep up the pressure on these fools, maybe then we will get our country back from these thieves.
Not to insult anyone who used the clunker program, but...:
If you can qualify for a loan you are probably no doing too bad. Frankly most of the clunkers I saw were not cars that the poor drove. Now, I want to be straight here, I am NOT in favor of the healthcare bill, but I do suffer economically having paid out over $100,000 in health insurance cost the past 18 years. Basically I pay $7,000 a year and have a $5,000 dductible. So, it's not "health" insurance, it's "don't loose your home in a crisis insurance."
I guess what rubs me the wrong way is that the same people who balk about helping with a common need (healthcare) gladly are willing to have the poor (yes, they do pay taxes) assist in getting their well cared for butts into a new car!
Anyway, I realize I just opened a can of worms. I just got "fried" by a doctor over on the Sunbeam Tiger website I frequent. I was gripping about the doctor who poked his head in the door of my son's room, asked him to wiggle his toes, promptly left - and charged $350. And not just once, but twice! Wow, I was unemployed from Jan to Aug. I took what work I could get. I worked 32 HOURS to make the $350 that doctor wanted for his 2 MINUTES of work. OK. I'll shut up.
Tom
Witt i totally agree with you. To be Honest with you i think the nurses should get that 250 Dollars you see more of them then you do the Doctor. And 90% of the work is done by Said Nurses. Including possible Diagnosis, treatment and so forth. Ive only met a hand ful of doctors that truely do their Job. Id love to see every nurse in america go on strike ( I know that might seem harsh but hear me out) and watch the Doctors flounder as they try and figure out what to do.. I work in the Health care field. I deal with doctors and nurses everyday. day in and day out. I order supplies, I do everything i need to do and more for my job. Just like a nurse. Almost every doctor i see is there for 2-5 min max. sorry to have Hijacked the thread .
Quote from: Wittsend on September 04, 2009, 11:45:04 PM
It was rather sad to see engines with silica run through them and stickers attesting to such.
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? Something to make these engines unusable without rebuild? or unusable period?
I had no idea this level ov ignorance was in play regarding this 'clunkers' business... I figured the vehicles could still be bought/saved/used in some way by the industry in one form or another.
Cash for Clunkers: How to destroy an engine. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0IcIxhd8ks#normal)
the engine must be destroyed Blow-up .
Quote from: Pale Roader on September 10, 2009, 07:15:17 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? Something to make these engines unusable without rebuild? or unusable period?
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Yep, drain the oil, two qts of silica, start the engine and run at 2000 rpm until is siezes. They actually run for a few minuets, then the silica starts to destroy the internals and they make awful grinding/squealing noises and then lock up. The silica destroys everything so there is no way you could rebuild the engine even if you could get it. We had about six nice V8 Explorers. Pitiful and painful to watch. >:( :( :'(
silica...as in sand? What a waste of sand and engine. Did the people who implemented this dumb "cash for clunkers" really think they'd make a difference in what America drives? What a horrible farce. >:(
And isn't it just like the government to be able to get away without having and environmental impact report on the sand used in this process. What a waste of our precious natural resources!
Frankly I think it would be much more amusing (and environmentally safe for sand everywhere) if the oil was just drained, a brick thrown on the accelerator pedal, and then Vegas could run odds on when these cars would blow.
These bureaucrats, they just don't think outside the box.
Tom
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: blupinto on September 11, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
silica...as in sand? What a waste of sand and engine. Did the people who implemented this dumb "cash for clunkers" really think they'd make a difference in what America drives? What a horrible farce. >:(
The 'people ' who implemented this are the ones who don't let their 'elected' representatives hear their opinions on what the 'gov' is planning on doing.
THAT... is the most doggone offensively ignorant thing i've seen in a long time. Just thinking that someone has done this to a few usable cars makes me want to kill someone. If that was happening here and i saw anything good in the lot i'd be stealing cars.
An aside... that "junk" Oldsmobile V8 they just destroyed sounded better (smoother, cleaner, more efficient) than any 'high-performance' or 'built' Mopar V8 i've ever heard. The only 'junk' in this scenario was the shizod whatever waste ov life thought this up was freebasing on.
I really do hate America (and that means Canada too) more every day.
Quote from: Pale Roader on September 12, 2009, 08:26:25 AM
I really do hate America (and that means Canada too) more every day.
You should be fighting to remove the scum bags in Washington making these laws!
If you Hate America Move to Cuba see how you like it there!
This is the greatest country on the planet just need new leadership!
Pale Roader...don't hate America...hate the jackasses that are running it. Those are the ones fooking everything up....especially the dumbass they put in office. And I do excersize my right to free speech...LOL
I am disappointed in the leadership of our country, not the county itself. though i think more of us should Voice our opinions, thoughts and wants in the general public. to be heard anymore we have to make a stink about it. we have to stand up and say no more. wonder if we as a country can rally and petition to Impeach the president of the US and re-elect someone better for the position
What got me about the whole thing, was that gas mileage was supposed to be the objective here. While watching them talk about it on CNN and Fox news I saw their footage of 'clunkers'. Yes, there were the usual suspects, the late 90's Explorers and such, but in a few scenes they showed a Nissan pickup from about 85-86, an early 90's Civic and Volvos! Most of that stuff would have to do better than the 18 mpg that was supposed to be the minimum qualifier. Remember that it was according to EPA estimates and not real world driving because of miles and poor maintenance.
I was dissapointed that these cars are going to waste. A lot of the cars they crushed looked better than I can afford to buy! I did see a video of the silica on one of the news programs too! They put in a Mercedes M-class SUV!
I've also seen some of the carnage here at the u-pull it, they say "Not For Highway Use" on the windshields! I believe in New Mexico, theoretically, that means that they could be used as offroad vehicles after the destroyed engines have been replaced(presumably with a readily available 'crate engine'). I do live in the 'wild' west! There are probably people that would love to have a 2001 F250 for a trail truck or rock crawler!
Chuck :afro:
Chuck, from what the yard that is contracted to get our clunkers told me, they can remove and sell any part they want except the engine. Anything they want to remove and store to sell later is fine. After 180 days the remainder of the car will be crushed. I don't know how whomever is in charge of this mess determines that the actual clunker is the one that was crushed. Of couse the title is branded so it can never be put on the road again but if they have 100 clunkers do they have some gov't official right there documenting each and every VIN that is crushed? Or does the yard just turn in 100 crushed cars?
And yea, he have some questionable clunkers, a v6 auto long bed Ranger, v6 Explorers, a Volvo wagon (very nice car!) The money spent on this mess is staggering, the billions they approved for the clunkers is just the tip of the iceburg!! >:(
Quote from: map351 on September 12, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
You should be fighting to remove the scum bags in Washington making these laws!
If you Hate America Move to Cuba see how you like it there!
This is the greatest country on the planet just need new leadership!
Keep in mind i live in Canada, not the US. And my country or the people in it are no better. I spent some time in Europe recently, and while its certainly got its own issues, the general level ov intelligence and overall efficiency ov pretty much everything is higher. I was only there for lil less than a month, but i tell ya, being back here was bloody depressing. And by the way, 'America' (including Canada) is only as good as the people in it. So all the good intentions in the country dont amount to shizod if it doesn't go past talk. Actually sounds like you guys have it a lot worse than we do.
I wonder if they have that same BS here. I haven't heard much, if anything about clunker bills here. Possibly out East? Man this pisses me off, but then again, its ALWAYS automotive things that make me hate. Maybe i'm in the wrong business... haha.
And not that i want to make this thread any more political, but hol-EEE do you guys seem to hate Obama. Trust me, even if he is the very face ov Satan that his worst hater makes him out to be (which i'm guessing he isn't), he's INFINITELY better than the idiots we have up here. My GOD what i'd give to have a guy like him up here. And i dont even know anything about him. (yes, its that bad here...)
That poor Oldsmobile...
Map351,
Yesterday I watched American speak out out the March on Washington. If you seen how many people were there, you would know we love America and will die for it. Fox and NBC reported over 2 MILLION FM MAD AMERICANS! This is as you say the GREATEST country, 2010 will prove it!!
Palerider,
If you want Obamy you can have him! Socialism is NOT welcomed in America! By the way you can have his cabinet and czars. too!
The Clunker thing was all a farce, a waste of time, money and good cars and a way to take the pressure off the government's reported screw ups.
And not that i want to make this thread any more political, but hol-EEE do you guys seem to hate Obama. Trust me, even if he is the very face ov Satan that his worst hater makes him out to be (which i'm guessing he isn't), he's INFINITELY better than the idiots we have up here. My GOD what i'd give to have a guy like him up here. And i dont even know anything about him. (yes, its that bad here...)
Wow! By comparison Obamanation is better than what you have? How sad....and even sadder, he is making every effort to turn America into the same environment you have. Can you see why he is so hated? Really makes you wonder how he got into office in the first place, and how the heck we can get him out even faster.
The new "America the Beautiful" will be written like this - "O-Bama and his spacious lies......"
Chris
If you ever noticed, US politics produces mainly mostly pot versus kettle arguments. Because of some luck of the draw, the argument here is heavy weighted towards one utensil.... :P
Quote from: popbumper on September 13, 2009, 11:38:12 AM
Wow! By comparison Obamanation is better than what you have? How sad....and even sadder, he is making every effort to turn America into the same environment you have. Can you see why he is so hated? Really makes you wonder how he got into office in the first place, and how the heck we can get him out even faster.
The new "America the Beautiful" will be written like this - "O-Bama and his spacious lies......"
Chris
Yes, it is better. No matter how bad things are or get there, people still show up for elections. And they KNOW WHEN those elections take place. Up here elections come and go with alarming regularity... Everyone is so incredibly apathetic we dont even pay attention anymore. As i type this they are talking about another one now... and we just HAD one!
Quote from: dholvrsn on September 13, 2009, 12:02:26 PM
If you ever noticed, US politics produces mainly mostly pot versus kettle arguments. Because of some luck of the draw, the argument here is heavy weighted towards one utensil.... :P
Yeah, i noticed that pretty quick...
Again ... Does Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged ring a bell? We are here because of a Flawed state of "Objectivity" that began over 40 years ago, thinking we could have our "cake" and "eat" it with no consequence.
Well, we're just about all in "Metabolic Syndrome " and the Republic is Type 2 diabetic.
Too bad , Activist or Insulin, your Choice.
Pintosopher
Quote from: dholvrsn on September 13, 2009, 12:02:26 PM
If you ever noticed, US politics produces mainly mostly pot versus kettle arguments. Because of some luck of the draw, the argument here is heavy weighted towards one utensil.... :P
I'm not partial to spoon or fork...pot or kettle. If G.W. wanted cash4clunkr'$ I still wouldn't have supported it. :drunk:
Quote from: pintosopher on September 14, 2009, 01:54:02 PM
We are here because of a Flawed state of "Objectivity" that began over 40 years ago, thinking we could have our "cake" and "eat" it with no consequence.
It's funny how much the 'richest' country in the world wastes. Some of the consequence is ironic. Nobody's buying new trash because we're surrounded by old trash. We can't simply buy our way out of trash. We're at a tipping point too in that we've run short of materials to make new trash, so your old car will become a refrigerator...but at what cost? The more people have to touch something, the more it costs. :-\
I'm just for freedom man. If you can't afford to feed your Hummer, don't make me pay you to buy a new Toyota. >:(
We as individual Americans though do have a spirit of "helping our fellow man", though. There has always been some 'entitlement' system in this country, be it land grants, soup kitchens, etc. How far back can we scale things? With 300 million plus inhabitants, you would expect sort of a big representative govern, but more people equals thinner rations. Are we "too big to fail" as a nation? Gets scary if I think about it too much. :drunk:
My mom told me the easiest way to get in trouble is to talk about politics or religion :cheesy_n:
Chuck :afro:
Well guys I have to throw in my 2 cents here because I live in southern WV and Im not sure how the rest of the country is. Here if you dont work in the coal mines or you and your spouse both work you cant afford to live and thats the way it has to be here there really is no other choice thought the gas feild is starting to pick up but the good jobs here are impossible to get and the crapy job that I had I lost and lost my car Because I couldnt afford it. But at that time you could drive 2 miles from my house and have stoped and looked at 10 cars and trucks for under 1000 dollars. Im really glad someone posted this cause I was wandering where all these cars had went. Well now I know and if there really is something we can do to fix this messed up government we are living under I am more than willing to help just please someone let me know where to start. And by the way the only reason I didnt bye during the cash for clunkers is because while my tax dollars were paying for someone else to get a new car I couldnot and still can not afford one. Thanx guys for letting me get that off my chest.
I'm sure you're not the only one in that situation! Cash for Clunkers was an ill conceived, poorly executed program if ever there was one!
Dwayne :smile:
I agree with you all. But think about long term. As stated...a good chunk of these cars will be lost, due to loss of employment...thus loss of car....thus hindering the economy just a tad more.
Now what did this do to the USED car market? Well, we all know supply and demand... Well, these :cough: clunkers :cough: that are eliminated from the used car pool make up a good percent of what typical used car dealerships resell. If their supply of thses used cars go down...their cost of them goes up. That means YOUR cost goes up. Wait...we are tight ecomnomicly already. And if we couldnt afoord a "Clunker deal", we SURE cant afford a price inflated used car. Now that over extended used car lot isnt selling cars....so he closes. Well, they made 2 jobs....lost 6.
But wait...that V8 olds (that gets 23MPG, according to the CARS website), the government paid $4500 for it. Good deal, right? Well.....actually.... where does that $4500 come from? Thats right the goverment. But where does Uncle Sam get his money? From you! Thats right...WE paid $4500 for that car. And the next. and the next. and the....well, you get it.
I agree. Most re-god-d@mned-diculous program I ever heard of!
Funny how a Pinto forum became a political platform. I would say the most depressing thing about the cash for clunkers was it was supposed to boost the American economy. With that thought, why did they allow clunkers to be traded in for foreign cars? Toyotas, nissans, Hondas and Volkwagens should not have been part of the equation. Car & Driver had a great artical, the basis was how stupid this whole thing is that we need to sell 14 million cars a year, that we have increased our sales practically every year since cars were created. We do not have to sell 14 million cars per manufacturer a year and by convincing the American public that they need a new car when they cannot afford one will only make the coming year even worse for the car makers when no one will buy next year. cars for clunkers was a bad idea, forcing Americans to consume whe they can't afford it is a bad idea. you want a good idea, double the tax on imported items so American products are affordable and we can let go of cheap Chinese crap. maybe we won't be able to afford as much, but do we need this much crap, i mean who needs four plasma television, ipods, blackberries, etc. etc. rebuild your Pinto!!!!!
Hey! I like my ipod! ;D
I hear you all on the other stuff though. Weren't we the people supposed to get a "stimulus" check of about $400? I know that's our tax money too, but that's WAY better than Cash for Clunkers! At the local junkyard I couldn't believe the cars that were systematically discarded- Cherokees, Rodeos, Explorers, 4Runners... such a waste...
Hey!!! I know!!! Why don't we award the Nobel Peace Prize to the clown who is driving all these goverment programs forward? Oh, never mind..... >:(
....completely and utterly flabbergasted at what this country is becoming....
Chris
Quote from: Carolina Boy on September 05, 2009, 12:44:35 AM
Two junk yards here in NC got closed down for selling parts off clunker.
Thanks Comrade Obama, isn't socialism great, NOT!!!!
I'm with ya on that. I can't stomach that commie neither. He hsn't a clue. In my book, "The One" is a ZERO!
Quote from: popbumper on October 09, 2009, 11:00:32 AM
Hey!!! I know!!! Why don't we award the Nobel Peace Prize to the clown who is driving all these goverment programs forward? Oh, never mind..... >:(
....completely and utterly flabbergasted at what this country is becoming....
Chris
I hear ya. Makes me so @#&$ing mad too.
Quote from: rear ended on October 08, 2009, 10:01:33 PM
Funny how a Pinto forum became a political platform. I would say the most depressing thing about the cash for clunkers was it was supposed to boost the American economy. With that thought, why did they allow clunkers to be traded in for foreign cars? Toyotas, nissans, Hondas and Volkwagens should not have been part of the equation. Car & Driver had a great artical, the basis was how stupid this whole thing is that we need to sell 14 million cars a year, that we have increased our sales practically every year since cars were created. We do not have to sell 14 million cars per manufacturer a year and by convincing the American public that they need a new car when they cannot afford one will only make the coming year even worse for the car makers when no one will buy next year. cars for clunkers was a bad idea, forcing Americans to consume whe they can't afford it is a bad idea. you want a good idea, double the tax on imported items so American products are affordable and we can let go of cheap Chinese crap. maybe we won't be able to afford as much, but do we need this much crap, i mean who needs four plasma television, ipods, blackberries, etc. etc. rebuild your Pinto!!!!!
Well Said. SALUTE!!
Quote from: popbumper on October 09, 2009, 11:00:32 AM
Hey!!! I know!!! Why don't we award the Nobel Peace Prize to the clown who is driving all these goverment programs forward? Oh, never mind..... >:(
....completely and utterly flabbergasted at what this country is becoming....
Chris
And here's the part you WON'T hear, or see on any MSM. The voting for that wonderful (BARF! SPIT! PHOOEY!) prize had to be in by February. That means "The One" was only in office a couple of weeks when they decided on him. Isn't that nice?
Hi,
I'm the guy who started this post. I was at the U-Pick Parts in Sun Valley, CA today. There are SO many clunkers that they had to partition off part of the parking lot and angle stack the cars. THis picture only shows about 20% of the cars.
Tom
What a waste of Nice cars
Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on October 10, 2009, 05:32:53 AM
What a waste of Nice cars
You took the words right out of my mouth. Very sad indeed.
Yeah, what a waste.
I went to u-pull-it this morning, very disappointed that I can't actually use anything from any of the carnage. And why would anyone buy parts for one of the vehicles on the list? Seems like the next wave will take more of the same.
On the other hand, I was trying to pay attention to what was on the road today and in peoples driveways, and really, it doesn't seem to have made any difference in everyday life. You still see a lot of big pickups, suvs and vans here. You can't get rid of them all, if you do you'll also kill the RV and boat industries(not just the manufacturers, but the campgrounds and lakes these vehicles frequent). Try to pull a 25 foot camper with your Aveo, I dare you! Can you haul a backhoe with your 4 cylinder Tacoma? See, they are needed.
On a side note, I caught a program on tv the other night called "Who Killed the Electric Car". Very worthwhile watching, especially for you Californians. They don't want us to get good gas mileage, or replace internal combustion for that matter. 1 trillion barrels of oil left and they mean to sell every last drop of it. And if it's the 'only' option (the car makers and gov't see to that) then whatever 'scarcity' can be applied only increases the price of the remaining supply. I saw a b/w clip from the 50's when the oil rigs first came to Iraq, they were actually touting the blessings that the oil industry would bring that region (there were no car bombs going off in the old footage!)
It's just all sad, very very sad. Good thing I have antidepressents to keep reality from really sinking in ;D
:afro:
P.S. New Mexico's budget is in the crapper due to natural gas prices falling. What ever happened to the CNG vehicles anyway?