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Shiny is Good! => General Pinto Talk => Topic started by: volksnut on March 08, 2009, 08:23:58 PM

Title: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: volksnut on March 08, 2009, 08:23:58 PM
what kind and how much....75 model, thanks
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dave1987 on March 08, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
I don't know what everyone else uses, but I have always run Valvoline 75w-90, same stuff I use in the rear end. However, if there is something better that would make it shift smoother, I would like to know.
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dick1172762 on March 09, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
Redline will make it shift like hot butter.
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 09, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
That's a Big Ditto, I've never met a transmission that didn't like Redline. In fact, when I worked at the (please forgive me ,I needed a job with a racing company  :-\)" Legendary Acura tuner Mfr Supplier " Comptech USA , all of the S/charged cars got Redline in the Autos & Manual trans.

Good stuff,

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: volksnut on March 09, 2009, 07:30:07 PM
so it's 90w gear oil? And redline brand will make it shift like butter, so how much "butter" do I add to fill it up , oh and power steering fluid, what type   thanks
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 09, 2009, 08:59:42 PM
Volksnut,

In most manual trans applications Redline MTL is the preferred lube, But it has more to do with the type of Synchronizers that are used. An API Rating of GL-4 covers a lot of gearboxes.
Every once in a awhile a trans needs 75w-90 GL-5 type oil to protect the Synchros from degradation by some oils that have Sulfur compounds. I had to use that in my old 1988 Jeep Cherokee 5 speed (damn Peugot trans ) but it sure helped on the 1-2nd shift in cold weather.
My Pinto manuals only Specify Ford Standard gear oil, I don't know what the API # for this OEM oil is.

On Power steering, I stay with Ford recommended fluid or meets Ford requirements.


Any other input out there?

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dave1987 on March 09, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
Which redline fluid should we be specifically be using then?
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dick1172762 on March 09, 2009, 10:05:42 PM
MTL is the type of Redline oil made for tranies. JEGS has it.
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dick1172762 on March 09, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: pintosopher on March 09, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
That's a Big Ditto, I've never met a transmission that didn't like Redline. In fact, when I worked at the (please forgive me ,I needed a job with a racing company  :-\)" Legendary Acura tuner Mfr Supplier " Comptech USA , all of the S/charged cars got Redline in the Autos & Manual trans.

Good stuff, Does that mean your no longer working for "Comptech"?

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 10, 2009, 07:19:04 AM
Dick,
Yes I had to leave for my health, Lower back issue put into limbo for 8 months. I was just totally into the environment. I also enjoyed the smell of methanol in the morning as a IRL chevy would be doing a pull in the dyno cell,zipping past the Camel Lights GTP NSX on my way to the front office. Getting bitched at by the Sales dept in Aftermarket, watching the "wizards" in the next room prototyping headers, air boxes, and suspension goodies.
But it was all going away, after I left, the venture capitalists came, squeezed out any non profitable expenses, and laid off half the staff. It folded in 2006 I think...

A simple passage in my career, Man I wish I could do it again! But with FORDS ;D

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dave1987 on March 10, 2009, 08:52:03 AM
I notice just noticed the statement that...

"Every once in a awhile a trans needs 75w-90 GL-5 type oil to protect the Synchros from degradation by some oils that have Sulfur compounds."

Does Redline contain sulfur? I just want to make my little stock 4spd last as long as I can, while still getting great performance and smooth shifting out of it!
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 10, 2009, 09:15:38 AM
Dave,
I think all of the Redline Products are Synthetic in formulation. But to be safe, we need to find out if the Ford recommended Gear oil is API GL-4 or API GL-5 rated. That's the determining factor when switching brands or formulation type. If the Oil required is GL-4 then use Redline MTL, if it's GL-5 then use Redline 75W-90.

I'll look into this further..

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dick1172762 on March 10, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
Pintosopher! Heres a couple of web sites for you to enjoy. http://www.landspeedracing.com (weekly history of racing in So Cal) and http://www.4m.net ( dirt track racing with a super 2.0/2.3 ford tech under "mini stock tech". Sorry to hear about Comptech. When the tracks dry up, so do the shops. What and where is "Marys hill climb"? Do you still have the race car? DICK.
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 11, 2009, 07:38:36 AM
Dick,
Thanks  for the web links, I'll check them out today. The Comptech thing was a  shooting star of Opportunities , but had internal  problems with a bunch of Personnel and ownership issues. Otherwise,it was good life experience.
Mary's Peak is one one the highest coastal mountains in Western Oregon. For about 15 years , The Northwest Hillclimb Association ran timed runs on the Paved road using SCCA solo2 and GCR regs for car prep. Yes, I still have my 72 Pinto racer, It begs me daily to re-awaken it for fun and games. ( Just the voices in my head speaking)

Pintosopher
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: dick1172762 on March 11, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
Pintosopher! Hill climbs and the salt flats are the only two types of racing that are grass roots and affordable any more. Did you run at the Hoppie (spelling?) indian hill climb? The Northwest Hillclimb Association is still active isn,t it? Take a look at http://www.pahillclimb.org for hill climbs on the east coast. DICK.
Title: Re: gear oil for 4 speed
Post by: Pintosopher on March 11, 2009, 03:32:17 PM
Dick,
Yes , I did run the " Hoopa" Hillclimb in 2002, But not in my Pinto. I co-drove a CSP class early Mazda Miata that is one of the Most photographed CSP Miatas in all SCCA Solo competition. The Owner lives right here in Folsom. That car is fast, I nearly spun the car off the mountain on my last run, because the owner dared me to beat his time :hypno:. I've course-worked at Freezeout and Bogus Basin in Idaho too.
Haven't done anything in the last 5 years, costs were too high to get there :surprised:
The people in the PA area have it soo good! In CA we can't do anything unless it's on private land. Hoopa a Indian reservation, so it keeps on going. I believe the NHA is still active. It is a consortium of Northwest sports car clubs that sign on for the series sanction.
Someday my Pinto will scorch the pavement again... I Believe those voices ;)

Pintosopher