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Title: head bolts...
Post by: kemerick on September 08, 2004, 07:51:31 PM
what tool is used for the head bolts?  they look like a large torx bit would fit... if so, what size?

also... how do I tell what year my motor is as it is in a buggy?

thanks in advance - Kyle
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: kemerick on September 08, 2004, 08:13:03 PM
i found some markings on the block...

70HM6015BA

does this mean its from 1970?  if so, what else do the markings tell me?
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: bricker4864 on September 08, 2004, 09:19:40 PM
I used a 12 point socket to take off my head bolts.  It seems like someone posted a part number docoder on the site a while back.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: bricker4864 on September 08, 2004, 09:26:21 PM
Here is the website: http://home.early.com/~walt/fordpart.htm
It would indicate that your engine is indeed from 1970 as far as I understand.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: kemerick on September 08, 2004, 11:16:39 PM
a 12 point socket will not work... a torx type goes inside the bolt not the outside

i got 6 point torx but the problem is that i need 12 point so it bites properly as the head bolts are awfully tight i would assume
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: bricker4864 on September 09, 2004, 12:22:47 AM
Who makes torx head bolts? I've gone through 4 heads and they've all been 12 point bolts. ???
Your's looks like the one on the left, correct? (only 12 point instead of 6)
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: turbopinto72 on September 09, 2004, 09:26:56 AM
 Those special 12 pt ( torx) are hard to find. I would call Esslinger Engineering and ask them where to get one. I think they may even still sell them.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: kemerick on September 09, 2004, 12:26:42 PM
Yes, the one on the left but 12 pt.

I agree... they are quite odd.  I have thousands in tools and not one is a 12 pt (inner) torx type fitting.

I will replace them with the ones on the right... thanks for your time.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: 73pinto on September 09, 2004, 03:51:28 PM
ahh yes, the 12-point torx.  I almost crapped my pants when I saw those on my 2.0.  Anyway, I couldn't find ANYONE who had a 12 point torx socket, so I tried a standard torx and it worked. 

Size is T-55

My advice is:  Make sure the socket is as far in the bolthead as it will go and make sure its centered.  You may want to have someone with you to eyeball it from another angle to be sure.   I did this and with a good breaker bar got them loose with no problems.

Here is the most helpful part for putting them back on: DO NOT USE LISLE TORX SOCKETS!!!  I've got a nice scar on my knuckle from when 2 of them broke sending my hand into the fender. OUCH!  Anyway, I'd get a craftsman or another GOOD brand with a lifetime warrenty and make sure its one of the ones that looks like a chrome socket with the torx shaft fixed to it.  I got a cheepy from advance autoparts and it did the trick.

Good luck and watch those knuckles.

-Harry
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: bricker4864 on September 09, 2004, 04:31:25 PM
Why would you put the torx back on instead of putting on regular 12pts?
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: turbopinto72 on September 09, 2004, 05:46:00 PM
 I agree, use the torx for fishing line weight and go get some new bolts.  ;D
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: 73pinto on September 10, 2004, 04:31:23 PM
Had to reuse the trox bolts because the holes in the heads are recessed and you can't get a socket in them. 

Trust me, I have no use for a torx anything.  I'd like to find the guy that invented torx and beat him in the head with a lead-filled heater hose.

-Harry
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: bricker4864 on September 12, 2004, 11:29:49 AM
Why don't you use a hex bolt? It seems like that would be a lot easier to work with.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: dyceman on September 12, 2004, 11:47:25 PM
The 122 point torx looking bolts are stock on some 4 cyl Fords. When I had to remove them I went to my local Ford dealer who sold me the proper tool to remove these. It looked like  a 1/2" extension with the proper cut in the end. Hope this helps.
Dyceman
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: kris kincaid on July 12, 2005, 06:47:06 PM
I was just searching for info on the proper tool to remove the 2.0 head bolts. The tool is actually Owatonna Tool Co. 7016. Thats the easy part, now the hard part is finding one. I spoke with the Ford dealers and they said "NO!" pretty much before I finished asking.

So, I am just wondering, is using a Torx T-55 to remove them the best solution? I have no problems using one, I just want to make sure there are no better ideas before I chase all over the city in search of a T-55. Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: mcrouthamel on July 13, 2005, 03:11:06 AM
If you can get get the bolts out, they can be replace w/ ARP head studs.
I believe they can still be orderes from Summit Racing.
If you are in a fix,
I have the bit required to remove the bolts and no longer need it. Also have the bit for the oil pump and timing belt tensioner pully.
Also have a head stud kit I no longer meed.
If interested,
mcrouthamel@netcarrier.com
or
215-679-3520
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: UltimatePinto on July 13, 2005, 04:00:35 AM
The tool is 12mm and the K-D # is 2306. I don't know if you can still get it.
I have one from Snap On, # STSM12LE and you can still get one.
Al
in Ct.
Title: Re: head bolts...
Post by: kris kincaid on July 15, 2005, 08:49:19 AM
 I really like this forum for the quick response to tech questions. It's helped me out several time. Thanks for the replies.