What parts are needed to do this conversion? I would guess the following....
Crank pulley
Harmonic balancer
Smog pump pulley
Alternator pully
Water pump pulley
Power steering pump pulley (dependent upon vehicle options)
I would also say that the belt covers would be on the list, but not a necessity if you can figure out how many degrees off your stock one would be.
I think the hardest to find of them all would be the water pump pulley though, seeing as it may not have the holes necessary to mount the fan blades.
Is there anything I am missing from the list?
You also need the accessory brackets and the idlers and tensioners on them.
The 2.3 did not come with a harmonic balancer until about 1998. The earlier 2.3 serpentine set ups had a crank hub with a bolt on pulley in the 90's or a "one piece" hub with pulley in the late 80's. These earlier crank pulleys were solid with no vibration dampening.
I have not checked all years but I suspect that the 2.3 serp' belt set up came only on the EFI engines, first on the turbo engines and then on the standard engines. I do not recall ever seeing a serp' 2.3 with a smog pump. My 86 V8 has a serp' set with a smog pump, so maybe a non-2.3 pulley would work.
The serp' set up uses a spring loaded belt tensioner. You would need one of them also.
From what I have read, The belt alignments front to back kept changing over the years making mixing parts a pain. Collecting the parts from a single year should make this easier.
I would assume that a stock 2.3 in a Pinto wouldn't be "upgradable", due to the radiator hose location being on the driver's side.
I have tried three other alternator brackets on my own 2.3, in hopes to convert to a dual belt system. I have not found a set of brackets that keeps the alternator belts from rubbing on the top radiator hose though.
Quote from: dave1987 on November 03, 2008, 08:40:25 PM
I would assume that a stock 2.3 in a Pinto wouldn't be "upgradable", due to the radiator hose location being on the driver's side.
I have tried three other alternator brackets on my own 2.3, in hopes to convert to a dual belt system. I have not found a set of brackets that keeps the alternator belts from rubbing on the top radiator hose though.
Depends on the upgrade; I went with the wider 2.3 with A/C, it has a wider core and the outlets are correct.
I have had that issue as well, but either trimming the hose, or installing one for A/C has worked for me.
Bill
Installing a radiator or a radiator hose for an A/C car has worked for you? If it is just the hose, I'm all for it!
I have used the uppers and lowers from A/C radiators on non A/C radiators as well as the other way around. They are not quite 'right', but they work.
The A/C one in Connie's car is close to the alt. and the fan shroud, but with a little fitting/trimming/adjustment, it does not make contact with either.
I took a radiator from a 67 V8 Muatang and fit it into a radiator support from a later Pinto and it is a 'DIRECT BOLT IN' item (less the hoses). IIRC: The only thing is the upper and lower are on the passenger side, and the sizes might be wrong, but there is a wide range of universal hoses out there (I was able to find two to make my M-II V8 rad. work in my Pinto).
Bill
Which alternator brackets are you using though?
Quote from: dave1987 on November 03, 2008, 08:40:25 PM
I would assume that a stock 2.3 in a Pinto wouldn't be "upgradable", due to the radiator hose location being on the driver's side.
I have tried three other alternator brackets on my own 2.3, in hopes to convert to a dual belt system. I have not found a set of brackets that keeps the alternator belts from rubbing on the top radiator hose though.
By duel belts do you mean something like this.
hi i have a 77wagon 2.3 auto air i replaced my 17 inch stock radiator with a 20 inch ac hd duty radiator .the first thing you notice is the stock 17 rad hoses come straight out of the rad.the new 20 has the outlets curved for a better fit and clear the suspenison parts and your 2 pulley alt better.i use goodyear formed hoses and with the right turning of the upper hose gives you the largest clearcence possible.the new 20 was worth the price in cooling and hose mounting clearence areas.hopes this helps chris ;D
Earthquake, that is what I mean about dual belts. I do have those brackets too, they came off a Ranger if I recall correctly.
I am basically looking for a way to use dual belts (or serpentine) with a preformed top hose and stock radiator.
I have this interesting 77 wagon that my friend kind of gave me to do something with. I have not had the time to fool with it yet but it has this serpentine setup on it. I don't know much about it as it came on the car when my friend got it. I snapped a couple pics for you to see. The belt looks like it could be adjusted some as it felt a little loose but it does not make noise when the engine is running.
TIGGER, the alternator brackets appear to be identical to the Ranger ones I have. It looks like I will just need the belts and the proper pulley's for that half of the belt system.
Now, what to do about the air pump?
Dave,that is a stock 1980 setup with power steering.
Quote from: dave1987 on November 09, 2008, 08:40:27 AM
TIGGER, the alternator brackets appear to be identical to the Ranger ones I have. It looks like I will just need the belts and the proper pulley's for that half of the belt system.
Now, what to do about the air pump?
That is an early ranger setup.Later they were driven off the nose of the water pump pulley.I'll get pics of one later today.
Quote from: TIGGER on November 09, 2008, 12:19:23 AM
I have this interesting 77 wagon that my friend kind of gave me to do something with. I have not had the time to fool with it yet but it has this serpentine setup on it. I don't know much about it as it came on the car when my friend got it. I snapped a couple pics for you to see. The belt looks like it could be adjusted some as it felt a little loose but it does not make noise when the engine is running.
I find that quite interesting myself. Is that with power steering?
Quote from: dave1987 on November 03, 2008, 08:40:25 PM
I have tried three other alternator brackets on my own 2.3, in hopes to convert to a dual belt system. I have not found a set of brackets that keeps the alternator belts from rubbing on the top radiator hose though.
When I put the Gates 20878 onto my 2.3, it rubbed on the double-sheave alternator pulley. So, I pulled the hose off, cut 1", perhaps, off of the radiator end, and reinstalled.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Pinto/Radiatorhose.jpg)
Instant clearance!
Mike
Quote from: dave1987 on November 09, 2008, 08:40:27 AM
Now, what to do about the air pump?
Dave, that is the main problem with this car. The engine in this car was suppsedly rebuilt but there is no air pump and it does not pass smog ???
TIGGER, exactly why I want to keep mine. :D
I believe another issue with using dual belt for my car, would be the fact that I don't have a power steering pump. So finding correct sized belts is also an issue.