I could about choke my Pinto tonight! I borrow a transmission jack, spend a hour getting the T-5 transmission shimmied in, and get a bolt or two snugged up. Then I start buttoning up the clutch and find out that there's no way to adjust it to disengage. The lever hits the front of the opening before that happens. So I drop everything back out to look at it. I'm scratching my head over this. My two best guesses are either I have the wrong throw-out bearing or the throw-out lever is bent. Any advice from the "Pinto Pros"?
Quote from: dholvrsn on August 26, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
I could about choke my Pinto tonight! I borrow a transmission jack, spend a hour getting the T-5 transmission shimmied in, and get a bolt or two snugged up. Then I start buttoning up the clutch and find out that there's no way to adjust it to disengage. The lever hits the front of the opening before that happens. So I drop everything back out to look at it. I'm scratching my head over this. My two best guesses are either I have the wrong throw-out bearing or the throw-out lever is bent. Any advice from the "Pinto Pros"?
Need photos.
Is it a T-5 FOR A 2.3?
What bell are you using?
Is the fork the right one for that bell?
Could be a flywheel or p/p issue too.
Bill
It's a T-5 for a 2.3.
Here are the numbers:
Throw-out arm: D4ZA-7515-BR
Bell Housing: D4ZA-6394-AD
I think they should be a match, circa 1984.
Pictures later today when I get down to my Big Mac in Omaha to munch them.
Quote from: dholvrsn on August 27, 2008, 10:50:54 AM
It's a T-5 for a 2.3.
Here are the numbers:
Throw-out arm: D4ZA-7515-BR
Bell Housing: D4ZA-6394-AD
I think they should be a match, circa 1984.
Pictures later today when I get down to my Big Mac in Omaha to munch them.
What T/O bearing did you use?
BTW: 1974
Bill
Right now, I believe that it's a throw-out for an '80s Mustang. I got new bearing at O'Reilly's, so I am going to compare the two later.
Here are the pictures so far.
PS: I was able to get as far as finding the lever as 7515 and the bearing as 7548 in that parts manual on CD-ROM. I'm scratching my head on how to actually cross reference this to real parts numbers.
A photo of what it looks like looking into the bell at the fork hole with everything installed.
What flywheel, disc, and P/P are you using?
That fork does look bent more than I recall, I will check mine and let you know.
Bill
How many different flywheels, disks, and pressure plates were used? I thought that these old 2.3s were pretty much universal. Will take more pictures next time that I get up to the farm.
I don't know. The Pinto stuff is different from the later stuff.
WHERE did you get the parts you used? Were they all from a donor or did you buy new?
Bill
I bought the transmission, bell, flywheel, arm, clutch and etc. from another member here. They were separate from the motor.
Where are the numbers on the flywheel and PP?
Fork looks bent. All the ones I have are just slightly angled.
Okay. Now could somebody please post a photo of what a normal one looks like?
That fork in the photo does not look too different from my "D5.." and my "D9.." ones, but its hard to tell.
Was the bell fully bolted on to the engine? Was the tranny fully bolted to the bell? Is the 'ball' correctly installed in the bell?
Bill
Quote from: 77turbopinto on August 29, 2008, 12:56:26 PM
Was the bell fully bolted on to the engine? Was the tranny fully bolted to the bell? Is the 'ball' correctly installed in the bell?
Bill
Yes, yes, and 90% likely yes.
Which is why I'm perlexed.... :(
I have just done a swap to a 5 speed in my falcon wagon last year..I had two different Throw out bearings in the 80's and I had to use the longer one to make that swap work..I winder if you landed a short one.
Best of Luck
FrankBoss
Alrighty then, can you please give me anymore details, years, part numbers, etc?
If I could I would ..I long since cleaned the work area of that project...
But as I did you can go to Orielly's or NAPA and have them order in a early and a late 80's model or have some one behind the counter open the book and look up the differences...
I wished I had more to tell yah. But thats how I had to do it...
Best of Luck
FrankBoss
I almost figured out the '73-79 parts manual and FWIW, the bell and arm seem to be from a Mustang II.
I used a 'D9' bell and fork (the fork needed to be slightly modified because the 'Pinto' cable ball is smaller), and a 'F7ZZ-7548-AA' bearing from a Ford dealer. Its made of all metal and was cheaper in price than the 'good' one made with plastic at NAPA.
Yes, I would think that your 'D4' stuff is from a MII. From what I understand there are 'D4' and 'D5' MII ones out there (I had a D5 fork and bell that I sold).
Bill
Found out that there are different lengths of clutch pivot balls. Fortunately, I had a longer one in a '80s hydraulic bell. I swapped it in and apparently all the clutch stuff now fits and works.
BTW, "clutch hbuttles" :surprised: :P :D ;D
thats good news,,,
I have read all your other post on the other forums and Groups...
Man, I'm glad you got there.
FrankBoss
Any clutch cable recommendations for a Pinto with a Mustang II bell and arm?
I have an MII clutch cable on my Sedan. Here's the thread with the info and my "walk-through".
http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,9823.0.html
I didn't modify the original pedal for the eyelet though. For the moment I just have a bolt with washers and two nuts securing it to the pedal. The cable eyelet sits on the driver's side of the pedal and the bolt goes in through the passenger's side. If secured the opposite way, the cable rubs against the tube where it comes into the car though the firewall.