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What V6 can I install
« on: December 23, 2011, 03:14:38 PM »
What V6 can i swap in place of the 2.3 4 banger with a c3 auto

will a 3.0 go and fit?

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 03:55:24 PM »
Anything can go in if you got the skills. I just wanna know why you would wanna replace the 2.3 with a 6?
 
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 04:38:11 PM »
I would suggest a 2011-2012 Mustang 3.7 V6.    You can get a low mileage drivetrain at all the salvage yards now.
This engine is 305 horsepower in stock form and lightweight aluminum.  The engine is lighter than your cast iron four cylinder. 
It would kill any turbo-4 Pinto, run with a V8 Pinto, better weight distribution for handling & traction while it can probably get 40 miles per gallon.   The heavy late model Mustang gets 34 miles per gallon.     
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 05:21:34 PM »
I bet that would be one heck of an install. Just what would you do with all of the junk that comes on the new cars now a days? Or can you take most of that stuff off, being that it's going in a late model?
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 05:53:58 PM »
I bet that would be one heck of an install. Just what would you do with all of the junk that comes on the new cars now a days? Or can you take most of that stuff off, being that it's going in a late model?

Depends on how integrated the wiring is and all the components. I dunno about you but that swap sounds horrible to me.
Yeah its a light engine but they are huge they are as wide or wider then a 351w which is a job just to put in a pinto by itself. Then theres the problem if you can even get a front sump pan for it otherwise that's gonna end up being custom along with mounting it. Then you get to custom wiring,Headers and all the little things most people don't think about.
In the end the overall cost is going to be pricey even if you get the engine cheap.Not to mention you better have the fab skills or someone with the skills to fab at your disposal.Other wise or gonna get reamed on shop hours to have someone else do it all for you.
 
That being said if your just wanting a halfway easy V6 swap look into a stock pinto 2.8 carbed motor so no extra wiring, motor mounts and trans are already at your disposal from other pintos from what I can tell you could prolly even use a 2.9 out of a ranger.
 
It all just depends on how much Work/Money your wanting to throw at it.
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 06:07:22 PM »
Build a killer 2.3 with a turbo...way less headaches, time and money.

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 06:50:09 PM »
find a 2.8 from a mustang ii or other pinto, was a stock motor in them, so mounts and fitting it in will be easy, and parts are still able to be found at a cheap price, not much for performance parts though!!!
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 07:39:46 PM »
Anything can go in if you got the skills. I just wanna know why you would wanna replace the 2.3 with a 6?

the pinto I have just has 30k on it..sat since 1992...I cleaned gas tank replaced fuel filters and rebuilt carb and new fuel pump full tune up etc

I runs good slow and when u floor it and cursing at 55 60 etc

But 15 to 45 give it some gas(not floored) it bogs down somewhat no power let up a tad off gas and it picks up a bit better.

but if u floor it it goes great and cruse good, just from like 15 to 45 it feels like it has no power


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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 09:22:58 PM »
No, an inline 6 is not going to fit in the bay.  Look at how much room your 4 takes up, and add 50% to the length.  Not happening.
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2011, 12:21:50 AM »
Did you do anything with the carb? Sounds like you might have a few issues with it.

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2011, 09:22:22 AM »
Pintovol,
It seems that you are not looking to build a performance car, just looking for good driveability.
I would spend more time tuning and perhaps de-smogging if you can. 
Wifey's 79 2.3 with the C3 runs real nice since I spent some time on carb enrichment, timing, and de-smogging.
It even gets better mileage now.  (now if I can fix all the oil leaks this spring!) 

Regarding the V6, V8, or turbo4 swap comments.. I guess he would first need to define the end result he would want to achieve. 
Do you want it to just be a straight line 1/4 mile machine and not consider vehicle dynamics?  Do you want a total performance vehicle that takes into account handling and braking?  Are you looking at a budget install?  Are you looking at a cruiser?         

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2011, 12:56:59 PM »
Did you do anything with the carb? Sounds like you might have a few issues with it.

The guy I got it from had the carb rebuilt by a shop (have receipt) 150.00 to rebuild , full tune up new fuel pump and filters. Just 3 weeks ago


I cant take it back to that shop because its 400 miles away


carb enrichment, timing, and de-smogging?????...be more detail!

I did notice the A.I.R. pump belt was off

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2011, 01:28:44 PM »
If you don't have emission laws to deal with where you live you could do yourself a big favor by removing all of it. Like Starliner said...sounds like some tuning may be in order. Take a look at the plugs. Those things are a wealth of info on whats going on.

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2011, 01:33:34 PM »
If you don't have emission laws to deal with where you live you could do yourself a big favor by removing all of it. Like Starliner said...sounds like some tuning may be in order. Take a look at the plugs. Those things are a wealth of info on whats going on.

Remove it? what about with the belt off

tuning the carb, how so? what adjustment are on it to tune? its a Holley

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2011, 10:24:41 AM »
Here is what I would start with....
1.  Does the car idle smooth?  If so move on to the next item.  If not, you will need to dig into the tun-up it just had.
2.  Pull the distributor rotor, put two drops of oil into the distributor rotor post.  This will lubricate the mechanical distributor advance.  Are the cap and rotor like new?  If not, replace.   
3.  What fuel octane level are you using today?  87?  89? 91?  93?    Run your tank down to a 1/4 full or less before moving to item 4.
4.  I would then check your timing and note where it is at this time for future reference.   Now advance your timing a little at a time.  (the correct direction will cause the idle speed to increase)  Go for a ride and listen for spark knocking under load with a fully warmed up engine.  Keep adding timing until you hear light spark knocking when accelerating or pulling a grade.    Now top off your gas tank with the next higher octane fuel.
5.  Go fo a ride of more than 5 miles to get the higher octane fuel into the carburetor.  How does it run now?  It should be running stronger and have no spark knocking.   
6.  If better, the cost of the higher octane fuel is probably offset by better mileage.   If not better, report back with how it drives.
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 12:12:09 PM »
I didnt see where to loosen distributor to adjust timing

I am use to a 302 just loosen the bolt

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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2011, 03:11:40 PM »

It would kill any turbo-4 Pinto,

really???? wanna put some coin behind that statement????
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2011, 04:18:37 PM »
Quote
really???? wanna put some coin behind that statement????
In my best Mr T voice "bring it on fooo"   ;D
If  I finish the 3.7 V6 transplant into my Volvo 1800ES as planned in 2013 I will take you up on that.
I will put it in this car.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/29396384@N05/4779602296/in/photostream
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A stock 2300 turbo-4 puts out 145-190 horsepower depending on the year & model it came from.  (Merkur, Mustang SVO, T-Bird)
The stock 3.7 V6 non turbo is 305 horsepower. (Mustang) Stock Ecoboost is 365 horsepower (Truck)
A highly modified 2300 can run approximately 250-300 unreliable horsepower. 
A chipped stock EcoBoost V6 runs 410 horsepower.   
A 2300 has two valves per cylinder with single overhead cam. 
A 3.7 has 4 valves per cylinder with two dual pattern cams for free revving.  (see picture)
The 2300 is heavier than the 3.7 V6.
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So as a friendly volley, please explain why you would think a turbo 2300-4 has a chance? 
 
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2011, 08:53:17 PM »
 because on street tires,,, not drag radials,,, mine runs better than 11.40s 1/4 and has been on numerous road trips.... can cruise all day at 75 to 80 mph if desired.... its over 400 whp on less than 20 lbs of boost, gets good gas mileage and weighs about 2500 lbs....youre off a little on the hp reliability issue..... stock shortblock is good to just above 400 hp without any mods.....after that better rods are the only real requirement... .my old engine with 185000 miles was 385 whp... that was a junkyard 150 dollar engine....unde r 400 hp its hard to kill one of these if you have a proper tune..
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2011, 10:03:11 AM »
Fair enough, good volley!  You have made some tremendous accomplishment s with that combination. 
I don't think my car will get into the 11's since I want it to be a canyon carver and occasional trackday car.    Off the line traction and gearing may not be optimal for drag racing.   
 
I picked the 2012 Mustang V6 because they are installed in all the standard "secretary" Mustangs.  There will be many low mileage drivetrains in salvage yards everywhere.    I should be able to get 20,000 mile or less complete engine, transmission, rear end,brakes,  and related components for $4000-$6000.   
A heavy 2011-2012 Mustang gets 30-34 miles per gallon even with 305 horsepower.  So I should get 40 miles per gallon in my light car.  I plan to take many road trips.   The engine is light and having a block length of 3 cylinders will allow the engine to be set back for handling.   That is why I ruled out a V8.    I could get more power with the EcoBoost version.  I still need to evaluate all the extra weight related with the turbo charger and intercooler EcoBoost version.   Handling is the primary goal.     
 
I spent a lot of time researching what engine I wanted for the Volvo.  I had originally considered the 2300 turbo-4.  I lurked related forums and seen nothing but problems, especially head gaskets.     Maybe it was because most were on a shoe string budget.   I even considered a Cosworth 2000 YB turbo from England.
 
In 2012 I need to pay for my daughters wedding and wrench on wifey's 79 Pinto.  She wants it reliable for road trips.  I am pulling the motor now to reseal it and other upgrades.   But I stopped because now it is cold. (Michigan)  I hate wrenching in the cold unless I have too.  So wifey's car will be a summer project.   
I also will sell my 73 Pinto 1600 late in 2012 and replace it with an 87 Audi 5000 Quattro I have in presently in storage.  So more wrenching.    I may drive the Volvo in stock condition until 2013 or 2014 while hunting for a low mileage drivetrain.    I already bought a modified Mustaang II style front end for the Volvo. 
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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 11:54:38 AM »
please send me a link to the build once you get it going..... id love to see the progression start to finish.....
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2011, 12:24:07 PM »
You do know the ecoboost engines are direct injected right? You would be better off using the stang engine thats not direct injected and just swap in forged pistons and turbo it it would be easier and cost ALOT less.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 06:00:04 PM »
Direct injection is good!   That is one of the features to get good mileage along with the power.
I also plan to make the car "green".   So I will need many things from the donor 2011-2012 Mustang or F-150. 
 
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 11:31:25 PM »
speaking of green...... my runs on e85.... it runs on megasquirt which, with a few changes and some tuning ,can operate a flexfuel sensor from the later fords..... i plan on doing this soon.... i have lots of e85 around my home but on the road trips it can be hard to find.... i might even put the flexfuel emblem on the car then..:D
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2011, 08:34:48 AM »
Im December's Hemmings Motor News on page 78 a guy put a 2009 Mustang V-6 into a 1972 Capri. The Capri in '72 used a 2 liter and a 2.6 liter engine identical to the Pinto. I guess it can be done.

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2011, 08:48:09 AM »
What V6 can i swap in place of the 2.3 4 banger with a c3 auto

will a 3.0 go and fit?

If I were to do something like that, I'd put the 4LT from a newer Ranger in. Complete with auto trans (with OD) & the locker 4:88 diff.

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Re: What V6 can I install
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 12:44:26 PM »
pintoval - was just in touch with a fellow here in Alberta that has a 2007 FX 4x4 Ranger roll over.
He is getting back to me with more info, pictures etc.
Would be a cool swap over drive line into a Pinto.
They may even make chips for the 4L motor ?
Diff will be a locker with 4:88s. No big deal, as it has the OD trans.