PINTO CAR CLUB of AMERICA
Shiny is Good! => General Pinto Talk => Topic started by: dick1172762 on December 08, 2015, 08:52:19 AM
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It is with great sadness that I bid farewell to an old and trusted friend. In the past few months I have watched the slow death of our once great club caused by the influx of "facebook". Where once we would have 10 or more post a day, we are now lucky to have two. I have seen the same thing on several sites such as MustangII.net. So what is next? No more club and only "facebook"? Only the members have control of our once great club. It's up to you. Support our club or watch it's slow death.
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I'll still be here. I refuse to do the facebook/twitter(or any social media) thing. The change has been very noticeable though.
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well it could be slow at this time , hollidays , and cold weather , and facebook i only use to look up old friends (if they are alive ) When i can I allways look here to see if any new pinto people are near me , and met a few , and when i my travels I do come across some one with a pinto I always tell them about this site , for me keep the memory alive and enjoy the car a good one
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On that note- I'm putting a new motor in my Pro-Street Sedan-Delivery. I'd
love to post pic's, but that has always ben a problem for me. I am also sending
a rear axle to my friends Ed & Darlene as the wheel bearings for their 73 pinto
have been obsolete for over 10 years. The ones listed on E-bay as such are wrong,
and this it would seem is the only option. I'll try to post more rather than just lurk
in the shadows. The Mustang II site always was really lite on activity, and in my
opinion hard to navigate. Not like this site, thanks to Scott and all he does.
Bill
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I'll still be here. I refuse to do the facebook/twitter(or any social media) thing. The change has been very noticeable though.
I'm right there with you 100%. What I can't figure out is why there is a Facebook feed on the PCCA site? Consorting with the enemy (so to speak) as an attempt to draw FB people here?
What I don't get is that a lot of FB posts are short, one line comments that don't seem to greatly add to Pintodom. Here it is like meeting in an old friends garage for some bench racing. On FB it seems like a car show where random, not too well knowing people pass by with comments like, "I had a 1982 Pinto with an inline 6 engine and a 5 speed."
Facebook the great homogenizer of our culture. No thanks.
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Facebook the great homogenizer of our culture.
Ain't that the truth..
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I don't do Facebook either and, unless things have changed, neither does Scott. The thinking was that if the PCCA established a peaceful co-existence with the Facebook Pinto people, it could be mutually beneficial. In reality, it's hard to know just how well that is working out. Posts are generally down this time of year anyway, so I don't think that's a real problem. Membership continues to increase fairly steadily but, as always, only a small percentage of our membership is actually active. Several of our more prolific posters have a lot going on in their lives right now and have been less active than usual. If there are serious objections to the Facebook connection, it would be good to let Scott know your feelings.
Dwayne :)
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I go on there sometimes but just to look at the pictures.
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What the hell is face book. By the way what is twittter and flicker. I went to pintrest once because I thought it was for people interested in pintos. After having been there I still don't know what it is.
Bill
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I'm on a very archaic email based list as it relates to my participation with the Sunbeam Tiger crowd. Over the past few years the list activity had dwindled. This email showed up this morning in reply to someone selling/buying parts:
"You may want to post it on the Sunbeam Tiger Facebook page. With over 1000 members you are sure to get a response." As we have all noted in this thread we are a limited few who don't follow the masses.
Who ever said, "Never has so much been said about so little," must have been prophetic about Facebook.
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Who ever said, "Never has so much been said about so little," must have been prophetic about Facebook.
Ain't that the truth?!?!?
Dwayne :-\
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I do not think the lack of posts on this site is a big concern.. as it's been said above.. this is maybe the slow season, what with winter,(a bit hard for me to work on vehicles in the snow), and it near the holidays..
It's generally a season I pick to collect parts & supplies, paint colors, etc, to get my cars looking & running the way I wish them.. I tend to put it all together in the better weather seasons..
I do still need some good rims & tires, a hot torque converter, 2.9 engine/v-6, air dam/fender-well-ground effects, & interior parts of every kind.. (..and of course, someone to help work on "my lil-pony" is always welcomed.. lol) ;)
Merry Christmas Everyone.. :D
Michael
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Oh, NOooo... . It is getting worse every day. My background is video production and there is a web site I frequented. I'd often comment on the articles they wrote. Today as I went to "Log In" with my user name and password - I couldn't. Now you MUST log in through one of the popular social media accounts!!! To me it is kind of like being told you can't get into the local supermarket without a Costco card.
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Who ever said, "Never has so much been said about so little," must have been prophetic about Facebook social media.
Fixed.
I recently took an opportunistic online "quiz" to see how closely (or not) I related to the "millennial" generation. Turns out I relate a lot more to the Silent Generation.
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I refuse to use Facebook, Twitter, or the other crap.
My wife, 5 years older than me, uses that stuff all the time.
I still use Usenet.
I wish that the Facebook feed here didn't exist. But it isn't my site. If it was, anyone using the word Facebook would have it edited just like the four letter words we can't use here.
Oh, well.
Russ
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Thanks for all the comments guys, keep them coming. We are interested in what you guys are thinking....
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The question would be, Is this really a state of tech social obsolescence? Or is it just another generational crutch for somewhat worthless blather for the instant gratification ? Hmmm, Silence can be golden, and the Written word can be a profound empowering means of galvanizing the masses.
The use of this medium is weighed in the successes and failures of its members in their common interests. Should Satire and Humor be made the grease of the Squeaky wheel of Communication in all its forms?
Buck up me hearties, this is a tough time of year to keep in touch, as we all have lives outside the Pintodom.
2016 lurks and 2015 is about done, so Let's get on with it ;)
Pintosopher, the Loose end play in your Steering Racks, and adjusting the bolt daily ;D
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I refuse to use Facebook, Twitter, or the other crap.
My wife, 5 years older than me, uses that stuff all the time.
I still use Usenet.
I wish that the Facebook feed here didn't exist. But it isn't my site. If it was, anyone using the word Facebook would have it edited just like the four letter words we can't use here.
Oh, well.
Russ
LOL Can't help saying I feel about the same way myself, Russ!
Dwayne :)
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Todays "facebook" posting talks about what the the owner got in the back of his Pinto while in college. What's next?
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Todays "facebook" posting talks about what the the owner got in the back of his Pinto while in college. What's next?
And we have seen that in the movie "Used Cars." Next.
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One reason for the change might be the change in the forum display? I used to frequent the site a fair bit, mostly using my phone then something changed and now the web site doesnt display right when using my phone, I cant even log in. I can use tapatalk but don't like the way that looks so dont bother.
My project is still crawling along, I'm way way overdue in updating the build thread.
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For the record I don't care for FB. For the most part it's a gossip site and I prefer direct sites and no bs.
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Facebook is cordially invited to shampoo my crotch. I do not Facebook. I'm not going anywhere....
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Buddy of mine calls it "Fagbook", LOL..
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One reason for the change might be the change in the forum display? I used to frequent the site a fair bit, mostly using my phone then something changed and now the web site doesnt display right when using my phone, I cant even log in. I can use tapatalk but don't like the way that looks
I have same problems
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fozzy - I still use a flip phone ;D
Prefer this site, big time !
As long as the site (and I'm above dirt) I'll be using it !
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fozzy - I still use a flip phone ;D
My cell is pre - flip phone! No need for a smart phone when the user is dumb as dirt! We may have lost a little ground to Facebook, but our membership continues to grow. I don't think we have to worry about this site going anywhere anytime soon.
Dwayne :)
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fozzy - I still use a flip phone ;D
Prefer this site, big time !
As long as the site (and I'm above dirt) I'll be using it !
My previous phone was a razor flip phone that got terrible battery life to the point I broke it in half then smashed it to bits one day, oops.
I'm not going anywhere and hope to post more frequently in the near future.
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Yep I had a flip phone one time , and yes it use to flip me out when I dropped it and you always had three pieces, phone , Battery and cover on the ground a wondering who called you when you pulle it out to answer it but dropped it , guess that gave the meaning of dropped call 😜. , but I will always check here to chat and help other pinto people , and fine more that are near me , I'm not going anywhere either, y'all have a great Sunday 🎄🎁
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Good to know we still have some loyal fans here!
Dwayne :)
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Sadly, with a few (and I mean A FEW) exceptions, I've been made to feel unwelcome here. I used to love to natter with fellow Pinto Peeps, but politics and the "everybody gets a juicebox" mentality kept me away. When I've asked for advice here, I got very few responses... making me feel like I'm wasting peoples' time asking. Frankly, the Pinto Peeps on FB have been more accomodating. I miss the good times we had here, but I won't hang out where I'm not welcome. I do visit, because a few dear friends are here and not on FB... but the welcome feeling is gone for me. It looks like others might be feeling the same.
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First let me say I have a diverse collection of cars and thus am on a number of car forums. Something that had always stood out to me was the number of females on this forum. It truly set this forum apart from others I participate on.
From my perspective I never recall any woman asking a stupid question. There may at times have been naive questions, but those are not gender specific and common to every aspect of the human being (male or female). I remember that you were a frequent poster who often spoke with enthusiasm about being a Pinto owner. It was rather noticeable when you and the other woman posters seemed to drop off the forum. With the exception of one particular poster who seemed to speak his mind on a regular basis, I don't recall posters making comments derogatory to woman - on a regular basis. And, even that particular poster stated he was "poor" with the words he chose. I don't offer that as an excuse for him but only to say he had some form of of a conscience - even if way after the fact. If it is any value I don't recall him posting here in some time and assume he has left.
This is not my website, nor am I an administrator. Regardless, I think we all need to be considerate towards each other. And sometimes that includes overlooking a persons shortcomings. Too often on ALL the forums I belong people seem to want to display their knowledge more than they want to help one another. On the other hand people need to not be overly sensitive. When I reply to "Turbo 2.3" questions (especially in earlier cars) I come on rather strong implying, "Do you know what you are getting into?" But, I do that because unless the person has the experience with the needed tools, access to the parts, and the time there is a far greater likelihood they will wind up with a pile of parts and a disassembled Pinto than a completed turbo car. In my mind I am being considerate to the potential end result. And in a number of cases the individual was likely thankful they left their Pinto stock, or bought a Turbo Subaru etc.
Other times people will take the "Give you a fish, you eat today. Teach you to fish, eat for a lifetime perspective." But, depending upon the presentation.. ., and or reception it can come across as not helping the immediate need. The initial reply was to "teach" (with good intent) and the recipient took it was being "lectured to" with them having time constraints that only a quick, simple answer would have sufficed. Neither party was understanding the other.
I'm sorry that you and other woman have felt unwelcome. It shouldn't be that way. Have you and the others expressed this to Scott or Dwayne? If I may offer this advice, men deal in specifics (He said..., He did..."). In your post you use the words "feel/feeling" three times (combined). Men generally don't "go there" in a dispute. And, being that the forum is likely 98%+ male... .
Lastly, I don't think you and I have ever had points of contention. But, if I've ever been offensive my apology.
Tom
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First let me say I have a diverse collection of cars and thus am on a number of car forums. Something that had always stood out to me was the number of females on this forum. It truly set this forum apart from others I participate on.
From my perspective I never recall any woman asking a stupid question. There may at times have been naive questions, but those are not gender specific and common to every aspect of the human being (male or female). I remember that you were a frequent poster who often spoke with enthusiasm about being a Pinto owner. It was rather noticeable when you and the other woman posters seemed to drop off the forum. With the exception of one particular poster who seemed to speak his mind on a regular basis, I don't recall posters making comments derogatory to woman - on a regular basis. And, even that particular poster stated he was "poor" with the words he chose. I don't offer that as an excuse for him but only to say he had some form of of a conscience - even if way after the fact. If it is any value I don't recall him posting here in some time and assume he has left.
This is not my website, nor am I an administrator. Regardless, I think we all need to be considerate towards each other. And sometimes that includes overlooking a persons shortcomings. Too often on ALL the forums I belong people seem to want to display their knowledge more than they want to help one another. On the other hand people need to not be overly sensitive. When I reply to "Turbo 2.3" questions (especially in earlier cars) I come on rather strong implying, "Do you know what you are getting into?" But, I do that because unless the person has the experience with the needed tools, access to the parts, and the time there is a far greater likelihood they will wind up with a pile of parts and a disassembled Pinto than a completed turbo car. In my mind I am being considerate to the potential end result. And in a number of cases the individual was likely thankful they left their Pinto stock, or bought a Turbo Subaru etc.
Other times people will take the "Give you a fish, you eat today. Teach you to fish, eat for a lifetime perspective." But, depending upon the presentation.. ., and or reception it can come across as not helping the immediate need. The initial reply was to "teach" (with good intent) and the recipient took it was being "lectured to" with them having time constraints that only a quick, simple answer would have sufficed. Neither party was understanding the other.
I'm sorry that you and other woman have felt unwelcome. It shouldn't be that way. Have you and the others expressed this to Scott or Dwayne? If I may offer this advice, men deal in specifics (He said..., He did..."). In your post you use the words "feel/feeling" three times (combined). Men generally don't "go there" in a dispute. And, being that the forum is likely 98%+ male... .
Lastly, I don't think you and I have ever had points of contention. But, if I've ever been offensive my apology.
Tom
Yes, What he said... . ;)
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It appears most of my android issues are fixed.
Thank you.
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First let me say I have a diverse collection of cars and thus am on a number of car forums. Something that had always stood out to me was the number of females on this forum. It truly set this forum apart from others I participate on.
From my perspective I never recall any woman asking a stupid question. There may at times have been naive questions, but those are not gender specific and common to every aspect of the human being (male or female). I remember that you were a frequent poster who often spoke with enthusiasm about being a Pinto owner. It was rather noticeable when you and the other woman posters seemed to drop off the forum. With the exception of one particular poster who seemed to speak his mind on a regular basis, I don't recall posters making comments derogatory to woman - on a regular basis. And, even that particular poster stated he was "poor" with the words he chose. I don't offer that as an excuse for him but only to say he had some form of of a conscience - even if way after the fact. If it is any value I don't recall him posting here in some time and assume he has left.
This is not my website, nor am I an administrator. Regardless, I think we all need to be considerate towards each other. And sometimes that includes overlooking a persons shortcomings. Too often on ALL the forums I belong people seem to want to display their knowledge more than they want to help one another. On the other hand people need to not be overly sensitive. When I reply to "Turbo 2.3" questions (especially in earlier cars) I come on rather strong implying, "Do you know what you are getting into?" But, I do that because unless the person has the experience with the needed tools, access to the parts, and the time there is a far greater likelihood they will wind up with a pile of parts and a disassembled Pinto than a completed turbo car. In my mind I am being considerate to the potential end result. And in a number of cases the individual was likely thankful they left their Pinto stock, or bought a Turbo Subaru etc.
Other times people will take the "Give you a fish, you eat today. Teach you to fish, eat for a lifetime perspective." But, depending upon the presentation.. ., and or reception it can come across as not helping the immediate need. The initial reply was to "teach" (with good intent) and the recipient took it was being "lectured to" with them having time constraints that only a quick, simple answer would have sufficed. Neither party was understanding the other.
I'm sorry that you and other woman have felt unwelcome. It shouldn't be that way. Have you and the others expressed this to Scott or Dwayne? If I may offer this advice, men deal in specifics (He said..., He did..."). In your post you use the words "feel/feeling" three times (combined). Men generally don't "go there" in a dispute. And, being that the forum is likely 98%+ male... .
Lastly, I don't think you and I have ever had points of contention. But, if I've ever been offensive my apology.
Tom
Well said... 8)
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I, too, am active in other online car clubs due to the diversity of the cars I own. Hands down, the PCCA is the best in my opinion. I'm not saying that just because of my position here... I would have told you the same thing when I first signed on. There is a general spirit of enthusiasm and concern for others here that is missing in the other clubs I've been involved with. Unfortunately, just like any group of people, we are not perfect. Other than dealing with the occasional spammer, most of my administrative duties entail working behind the scenes to smooth ruffled feathers; sometimes with success, sometimes not. The biggest problem with communicating online rather than face-to-face is that punctuation doesn't always work to properly convey the tone of our words. Statements that are made sarcastically, or in an attempt at humor, can be grossly misinterpreted by someone who takes them more literally than they were intended. I never divulge whatever private communications I have with any member, but in one instance a member was furious and ready to leave over a statement another member had made and, as it turned out, the statement was not only misinterpreted, it was misread! Once that was pointed out, tempers calmed and everything was okay. I am always available to anyone who wants to contact me. I believe in this club and its members and will do whatever I can to help keep it a friendly and welcoming place.
Dwayne :)
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I don't FB or twitter or any of that...I really like this site and get good responses to my Pinto related questions. Lots of knowledge here without the bull.
I have many other cars and interests but really the Pinto is the most fun. Maybe because its simple and not trying to be something its not. Kinda like the PCCA.
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Maybe because its simple and not trying to be something its not. Kinda like the PCCA.
I truly think that you are correct. Not to be self (and collectively) denigrating, but frankly to the outside world the Pinto is a joke. It was a car that people originally bought when they couldn't afford anything else. It was the Rambler of the 70's generation. Throw in the flaming accusations (pun intended) and things only got worse.
Thankfully people like Glidden, Gapp & Roush etc. gave the Pinto some dignity. When you think about it the Pinto was its own unique style. It didn't copy any other car, not even looking like a little brother in the Ford line up. Simple, YES. Simply wonderful.
I frequent a Studebaker site. There are good resources and some wonderful people there. But there is also an underlying aspect of authoritative one upmanship. Where people will incessantly argue over the smallest things. One time I cautioned a poster that new, later model windshields were nearly impossible to find. I got reprimanded (in a "Who do you think you are" kind of way) for saying so and then two available sources were linked. Well, after numerous tries one place never even answered the phone and had no web site. I later found they they were basically no longer in business. The other place said they had ONE in stock. I inquired if they were going to be able to get any more. Her reply was, "Not likely." I then said, "So, this is probably the last windshield available - ever," And she said, "Most likely so." That is a far cry from the stated reprimand "We ALWAYS get windshields from..." Anyway, that is just an example of treatment I have never had at the PCCA. We don't always agree here, but we seem to keep it more civil than most.
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i just joined and am excited to find a source like this...
i do it and have a lot of connectivity, but dont have myface or spacebook due to the security issues.
I'm an ole fart and remember when 55 thunderbirds were new, most folks raced flatheads, and only the rich kids had new fangled mustangs..
over the years ive had lots of fords from a 35 sedan to a 36 coupe to many 55 wagons, a falcon sprint and sunbeam tiger.
for the last 20 years I've been restoring mgb's
i recently relocated to dallas from so cal and have been looking for get togethers with pinto folks here.
when i came to texas i started looking for a small, simple, reliable, easy to maintain car and luckily found my pinto in Bakersfield, Ca.
this is my second pinto, the first was a 72 wagon bought new in 72.
hopefully my present one will last long enough to butt along to my grandson some day.
I think forums like this are very important to keep the historical aspects of auto history alive and are a great way to exchange DETAILED info and tips.
too bad more events can't be arranged for get togethers or rallys.
also, whats with the security questions about the year that a 1971 pinto was made.. wasn't production started in 1970 for the 71 models?
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Does your wagon have a black or tan interior? And some screws holding the lower windshield chrome on?
also, whats with the security questions about the year that a 1971 pinto was made.. wasn't production started in 1970 for the 71 models?
It's to keep spam bots from automatically registering accounts. So far they are not advanced enough to answer questions or identify specific image content.
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I truly think that you are correct. Not to be self (and collectively) denigrating, but frankly to the outside world the Pinto is a joke. It was a car that people originally bought when they couldn't afford anything else. It was the Rambler of the 70's generation. Throw in the flaming accusations (pun intended) and things only got worse.
I frequent a Studebaker site. There are good resources and some wonderful people there. But there is also an underlying aspect of authoritative one upmanship. Where people will incessantly argue over the smallest things. One time I cautioned a poster that new, later model windshields were nearly impossible to find. I got reprimanded (in a "Who do you think you are" kind of way) for saying so and then two available sources were linked. Well, after numerous tries one place never even answered the phone and had no web site. I later found they they were basically no longer in business. The other place said they had ONE in stock. I inquired if they were going to be able to get any more. Her reply was, "Not likely." I then said, "So, this is probably the last windshield available - ever," And she said, "Most likely so." That is a far cry from the stated reprimand "We ALWAYS get windshields from..." Anyway, that is just an example of treatment I have never had at the PCCA. We don't always agree here, but we seem to keep it more civil than most.
You're right; the Pinto was viewed as a joke... but did you ever encounter anyone who DOESN'T have a Pinto story of some sort? I bought my first Pinto (orange '74 Runabout) new when I was sixteen, primarily because my father refused to allow me to buy "somebody else's problem" and insisted my ride had to be brand new. He was a Ford man all his life, so my meager budget = Pinto. I never expected that purchase 42 years ago to ignite the emotional connection to Pintos that it has, or that in 2016, approaching my 59th birthday, I would still own a Pinto. Go figure!
My worst car club experience ever was with the RROC (Rolls-Royce Owners Club) and was instrumental in the decision to part ways with my Silver Spur. My $100 per year membership got me a nice magazine publication (The Flying Lady) and that's about it. If I dared to ask a question on their forum, I was met with condescending, snobbish answers. It absolutely took all the joy out of owning the car. The ironic thing is that their most vocalized concern was why their membership was dwindling. Maintaining an automobile of that complexity without knowledgeable assistance and no dealer support (RR dealerships no longer support the Crewe cars) is nearly impossible. There seems to be no one moderating their forum, or they would KNOW why members are deserting. My feeling toward the club became such that I didn't even want to offer my car for sale to its members, which would have definitely yielded the best price. Instead, I traded it in on a Jaguar XJL Supercharged and never looked back. I have both dealership support and a warranty now, but I decided to join the Jaguar Forums anyway and, so far, have found it to be a pleasant experience.
In my opinion, the PCCA is about as good as it gets when it comes to online car clubs, and I'm proud to be a part of it.
Dwayne :)
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Take a look at ratsun.net forum for some good tech and many great pictures of all kinds of cars.
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As a Seasoned ( read that Crusty Curmudgeon) Member, I've seen a lot of people come and go with this site. I've endured wonder and derision from people in the real world about "why a Pinto?" in racing. Most of them have no idea, and have been conditioned that only high end German or legendary Japanese cars were worthy of the efforts and expense in the competition world. So , That being said, it's not surprising that a new generation of youth find the unique value of this car and the rare sight of one that's either Original, Modified or All out racing. Vintage racing and show competition is alive and well because of a new wave of interest in cars that don't fit the cookie cutter stereotypes. It goes in cycles, and the interest is rising in these cars.
So if someone doesn't "feel the Love" then the answer to the perceived insult (real or imagined) may lie in the person at the Keyboard. People with a inability to self diagnose or improve through humility are usually the ones really bent. Walk softly, type with disgression , and attach the image of yourself you wish to be seen as .
Two Eyes to see, Two Ears to hear, Two Hands to type , one Button to " Send" Of course, it's your club , make it better every Day ;)
Pintosopher, OBD 0 in the real world, Analog when it counts, Holding the digital "Bird", prisoner in its Cage daily ;D
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Dwayne, it does seem most people have a Pinto story. Since I got mine in 2007 I had so many people say..., "I used to... ." When I think back my step-sister had one, and each of my two younger brothers also. In fact one of the brothers had three. Since my motivation was a place to put my existing Turbo Coupe drivetrain I guess I never gave that lineage any thought. I too hear about dwindling numbers at the Studebaker site (though they have SIGNIFICANT activity). But all personality issues aside they aren't making them anymore, attrition is removing them and those with a linkage are dying off. What do they expect? That wars will be fought over Studebaker acquisition?
Dick (thanks), have been to the Ratsun site and am actually register there - though I only have a few posts. From what I've seen it was a decent site. The Datsun was given to me by a friend 18 years ago after it sat in his yard for 16 years. Hanging out in his 510 was the only 'cool' thing about me back in the 70's. I had it on the road at the start of the new millennium but frankly it is a handful to be a daily driver and with my total fleet size I can only manage a few registered/insured cars at a time.
Picture of the 510 circa 2000's (and prior). Note the bumper, it is off the Tiger. I needed something to hang the plate on, and it fit.
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I frequent facebook since it's easier for me and get alerts for the Pinto site on there. I some times look and reply to posts on there, some times don't. When it comes to it I go in spurts. Life keeps me busy, especially since the Pinto constantly takes a back seat to other projects, whether it be fixing the house for an appraisal, working on my Dodge Omni GLH-T, or even trying to get my Dad's 2004 Impala back on the road. Currently I'm trying to fix the Impala so I can use it for a daily driver, and get rid of my Sonic. Doesn't mean I don't think of the site and think of going on.
The big thing... When I leave and come back I notice more and more people I dealt with have gone away. Now could they be busy and doing the same thing I do when it comes to life? Very possible. Just too much to do and not enough time to give everything.
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Wow, @4pinto. I do pinto and turbo dodges as well. I thought it was just me that liked those cars.
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Getting back to the theme of the original post:
I did a comparison to another car site I frequent. Going back the past two days I see the PCCA had an average of 5 post per day. Over at the Studebaker Drivers Club they had an average of 30 posts per day - and that was only at their three most popular sections. The SDC like the PCCA has a similar site arrangement but to keep the numbers manageable I only selected their most popular sections. At the PCCA the "Recent" posts display the accounting of all sections. Advantage Pinto (as all post are counted).
While I realize that a post can cycle many times in a given day it is my observation that it is far more likely to occur at the SDC than the PCCA. Thus, the numbers would be even more heavily favored towards the SDC if that was a considered factor. Since that would require significant more work to calculate I'll use the numbers that are far easier to count. Advantage Pinto.
Is it fair to compare the two sites?
Here are the numbers. Pinto's were manufactured over ten years and 3,173,000 were built (rounded to the thousand). Over the last ten years of Studebaker production there were only 638,000 built. Roughly 20% of the Pinto production. Over at the Studebaker site the overwhelming discussion is for 1950 and newer (to 1966) cars. So, even adding in another seven years of Studebaker production (1,780,000) the "typically discussed" production numbers still fall short of the Pinto total by nearly half. Advantage Pinto.
The last Studebaker was manufactured in 1966. The last Pinto was manufactured in 1980. A 14 year difference. Considering the closeness of last manufacture date and enthusiast still likely living the advantage falls to the Pinto.
Also an advantage to the Pinto is the manufacture (Ford) never went out of business. And a number of Pinto parts (2.3 engines in particular) were manufactured long after the Pinto production ceased. Advantage Pinto.
So, I'm left to wonder why the Pinto community with nearly double the number of manufactured cars during pertinent years (80% more over the last 10 years of manufacture), later production ceasing date, likely more living enthusiasts, and a continuing parts source after manufacture has less than 20% of the site activity at the Studebaker site? If all the "numbers" favoring the Pinto carried over then the Pinto community should overwhelm the activity of the Studebaker community on their respective websites.
This is not a question to those who run the PCCA. We are all indebted to their effort. Rather this is a question the the greater Pinto community. I'm not making an indictment, but rather I'm curious to understand the difference.
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More people like Studebakers than Pintos I guess???..
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Facebook is the difference and the reason for the low post numbers on the Pinto site. Also the Studebakers tend to be more of a collector car than a Pinto. Few people on here are planning to make their Pinto a collector item.
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Very true..