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Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« on: January 27, 2022, 01:18:14 PM »
I know we have discussed it before... but what is happening to our Pinto site? I just went and looked. There have been only 22 posts on 7 different threads in the past 31 days. And I use 31 days because on this very site if a thread hasn't been active for 31 days there is a red lettered notification that you are posting to an old thread.


More so, years ago there was a LOT of discussion about repairing our Pintos.  It was technical discussion. It was "Car Guys" talk. While still Pinto related a fair amount of the discussion seems to be about secondary matters and not to the repair and modification of our Pintos. These 7 threads are:


Rotors (a reasonable but expensive) modification most likely don't have the money for
Coffee Mugs
An apology from a member who was replying to a post I made 3-1/2 years ago (that says something about activity right there) that they had never thanked me for the information I provided (no offense and no apology need)
A Pinto that was sold (did we lose another one?)
My posting about Part 2 of a Pinto video
Engine mounts for a V-8 swap that sadly seemed to indicate the the Mustang II part are hard to come by
A Pinto that was still for sale (are we losing another one?)


The two threads that were technical were about modifications (not regular Pinto repairs). Two were about cars sold (or not) and the rest were secondary matters. The PCCA is the only specific Pinto site I am aware of. There seems to be no competition. Two sites that I frequent for other cars I own (Corvair and Studebaker) have similar total build number to the Pinto (2-3 million). These sites compete with at least one major and other minor sites. They also have competition with Facebook etc. (a sited reason for decline here). Yet these sites get more activity between 8am and noon on any given day than we are getting here in 31 days! Why???


So, I guess my questions are is Pinto ownership such a waning interest and it shows in the participation? Are Pinto owners apathetic to make the effort to post? Effort was made to create and maintain this site. The work Dwayne does behind the scenes has been monumental. But, if we Pinto owners don't make use of what has been provided then we are letting a treasure languish. My apology if I seem to be coming down hard. I just remember how active this site was back in 2007 when I first joined.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2022, 05:20:44 PM »
well,i'm still here.i check the site every day when i get home.haven't had a lot to say since i haven't had to work on mine in a while .she's ' right and tight ' to quote COUNTS KUSTOMS. i haven't drove it in a while since the weathers been not so good,can't stand to get her dirty.every day some body asks... where's your pinto ? just waiting on spring ,won't be long.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2022, 10:09:21 PM »
It saddens me when, nearly every day, I log on and find no one has posted since my last time.  I suspect a bit of that could be due to projects garaged and on hold throughout the Winter months, but that certainly can't account completely for the inactivity.  I personally do not go on the Facebook Pinto site(s) but I know some of our folks have defected to that medium instead of being here.  Another factor is that some of our most prolific posters of the past have since passed away.  I still firmly believe that we have a wealth of archived technical Pinto information that no other site can replicate.  That said however, we can't force people to participate.  It's hard to say how long we can hang on with these circumstances but I'm in it for the long haul... so as long as Scott and the rest of the board are committed to keeping it going, I plan to remain as active and engaged as I can. 

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2022, 08:49:22 AM »
I check the site most days too.   My first Pinto project stalled at the painting stage (been that way for more years than I want to admit to).   Need to get the '72 painted one way or another....  So basically, I'm good at collecting parts, just not good at finishing anything!   The swap meets I go to have been dwindling in size from sellers and buyers - The All Ford Columbus Swap in Ohio is really shrinking.  People there say it's the internet - but parts on Ebay seem to be less and less too....   I've found LOTS of great info on this site, hope it stays active.

One of the Mustang II sites disappeared a few years ago and all the forum info was lost.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2022, 09:31:36 AM »
Although I don't post much, I also check the site everyday. Even though I have very limited mechanical ability, I enjoy reading about other people's Pinto projects and upgrades. My mechanic only agrees to work on my Pinto if I hunt for the parts and get repair suggestions so I frequently search the archives for needed information. I am also on a horse carriage driving site. Over twenty years ago when I started driving my horse, the site was heavily used. Once Facebook came along, many people switched over to the FaceBook site and the original site has pretty much ground to a halt. I prefer the non-FaceBook site. Hopefully there are others like me who don't often contribute but are faithful readers. Without this site, my Pinto would still be sitting in my garage not running.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2022, 05:36:49 PM »
i have built a dozen or so pintos with various drivetrains over the last 40 years and i dont remember how many i have posted on here as i dont have pictures of the first  5 or six but i will look back at what i can find of the most  recent ones and see what i can post about them ,, i still have the V6 pinto on the left but not the 351 version on the right .. i can dig up reasonable facsimiles of my old stuff and post them i due time ..  BOB Glidden had a big influence of my pinto building in the late 70`s and early 80`s ..   

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2022, 07:25:55 AM »
I'm still here & check the site every couple days.

Not working as much the last couple years, so lack cash for the cars.....

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2022, 11:32:27 AM »
Hoss429:   I'd be interested in the details of your V6 early Pinto.   My '72 has a Cologne V6 (2.8i) in it.  The previous owner (a friend of mine) pulled a 2.0 Turbo motor out because he liked the mechanically injected 2.8i in a buddy's Capri.  The front crossmember of my car is from a Mustang II with the v6 motor mounts and a chain as a roll restrictor.  The 2.8is are pretty rare in the US, so it's unique that way.  There's a T5 (NWC) attached with an adapter for the "short" input shaft to hold the pilot bearing.   The bellhousing I think is from a Mustang II, but I'm not positive.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2022, 04:17:09 PM »
i am ashamed to admit that my V6 is a 4.3  chevy engine .. i wanted a 3.8 ford but it was just not feasible  to make fit even though i have built a dozen V8 cars ,, i looked back thru thousands of posts but could not find a picture of the engine ..this 4.3 though has been the best engine i have ever owned   .. it`s been in the car for 22 years  now and never a moments problem and will do some impressive burnouts .. 

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2022, 05:55:52 PM »
  I too have noticed how quite this forum has become.  I check in here daily but have to admit that I am also part of the problem since I have gotten pretty lazy about posting and have become pretty much just a lurker.  I need to take some photos of how my wagon has been slowly progressing over the years since I first acquired it.  Back then I posted some that showed the truly sad state it was in.  I have only worked on it a little at a time as money allowed.  I will try to get off my butt and post a few photos if the weather will give me a chance.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2022, 12:03:12 PM »
It is good to hear that people are coming to the site. Thank you for the encouragement.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2022, 11:50:10 AM »
I'd like to see a thread where we can pick Hoss429's brain - if he's willing of course.   What rear axle does he run? locker? (that's quite a burnout).  what radiator fits in a early car??  After building 12 cars he's forgotten more than I may ever learn!

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2022, 05:32:57 PM »
the 351 powered one i had did a nice burnout as well .. 

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2022, 02:05:18 PM »
I know we have discussed it before... but what is happening to our Pinto site? I just went and looked. There have been only 22 posts on 7 different threads in the past 31 days. And I use 31 days because on this very site if a thread hasn't been active for 31 days there is a red lettered notification that you are posting to an old thread.


More so, years ago there was a LOT of discussion about repairing our Pintos.  It was technical discussion. It was "Car Guys" talk. While still Pinto related a fair amount of the discussion seems to be about secondary matters and not to the repair and modification of our Pintos. These 7 threads are:


Rotors (a reasonable but expensive) modification most likely don't have the money for
Coffee Mugs
An apology from a member who was replying to a post I made 3-1/2 years ago (that says something about activity right there) that they had never thanked me for the information I provided (no offense and no apology need)
A Pinto that was sold (did we lose another one?)
My posting about Part 2 of a Pinto video
Engine mounts for a V-8 swap that sadly seemed to indicate the the Mustang II part are hard to come by
A Pinto that was still for sale (are we losing another one?)


The two threads that were technical were about modifications (not regular Pinto repairs). Two were about cars sold (or not) and the rest were secondary matters. The PCCA is the only specific Pinto site I am aware of. There seems to be no competition. Two sites that I frequent for other cars I own (Corvair and Studebaker) have similar total build number to the Pinto (2-3 million). These sites compete with at least one major and other minor sites. They also have competition with Facebook etc. (a sited reason for decline here). Yet these sites get more activity between 8am and noon on any given day than we are getting here in 31 days! Why???


So, I guess my questions are is Pinto ownership such a waning interest and it shows in the participation? Are Pinto owners apathetic to make the effort to post? Effort was made to create and maintain this site. The work Dwayne does behind the scenes has been monumental. But, if we Pinto owners don't make use of what has been provided then we are letting a treasure languish. My apology if I seem to be coming down hard. I just remember how active this site was back in 2007 when I first joined.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2022, 11:26:14 PM »
It's good to hear from you!  Sorry to hear you've been down with Covid but happy that you're recovering now.  You have been missed.


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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2022, 12:39:34 AM »
Im also still around. Need to get back in the grove and post more on my project. But i also search for info on here alot

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2022, 02:27:05 AM »
Thanks for checking in!  It's nice to know people are still visiting the site, whether they post or not!


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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2022, 03:16:59 AM »
No problem thank you for keeping this forum running. Its a wealth of information

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2022, 09:09:47 PM »
I feel complicit in the lack of activity, but my attention has always cycled through my many interests and I find the cycles rotate more slowly as I get older. Over the last year I got more heavily into bicycling, then laid-up twice on medicals where I really couldn't do or work on anything in good conscience. (Not life-threatening or seriously debilitating or anything like that.) Now I'm getting my fitness back, but also distracted with building a super 8 film scanner for a friend. And working on the Pinto. And the Mustang. Rewiring the Pinto's EFI properly is high on the list.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2022, 10:39:44 AM »
The Pinto world hasn't stopped, it seems to have just migrated. Social media has taken over where dedicated sites once ran strong. There are those who won't or don't like the social media pages but comes down to ease of use. Facebook for example. If you're there for one thing it's easier to be there for others.
A house divided cannot continue to stand and for whatever reason why (don't care why) the house is divided. There is a facebook page which people frequent more than here because it's there where they are.
I'm as guilty as others and see those frequent the page that were on here. I try to be on here but it's easy to get caught up without moving to other pages. It's the age of social media in that form, as opposed to this form. Can it recover? Sadly I doubt it. Will it be around in some form? I'd say the only way it won't is if the site owner stops maintaining and operating the site, which hopefully won't happen.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2022, 09:49:11 PM »
Matt, you've hit the nail on the head!  I realize the Facebook version provides a convenience we can't, but I personally think our archives offer information that you'll never unearth on Facebook.  It may take awhile to find the information you're seeking, but if it involves a Pinto, it will be here somewhere!  Much of it is derived from early members who have passed on, but left their legacy of Pinto knowledge in our care.  I'd love to promise this site will be around forever, but as we who are dedicated to keeping it going are aging the same as everyone else, I don't know whether others will pick up the banner and carry it into the future, or let it fall.  I am personally committed to working with the site for as long as I'm able, but not a single one of us is going to live forever. 

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2022, 06:28:59 AM »
I am probably the only person in the world that does not have a Facebook page, due to my profession as a therapist. I tried it for several weeks several years ago, and even with the privacy settings, my clients were able to find me or my family members. (Not to mention the vitriol and politics that seems to have taken over the social media sites…sigh.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2022, 01:55:45 AM »
I am probably the only person in the world that does not have a Facebook page


No, you're not alone... I do not have a Facebook page either.  I do have Facebook access through a family member's account, but there is nothing there in my name.  About a year ago, lousy management resulted in me boycotting what had been my regular breakfast restaurant for over a decade.  I didn't make a big production out of it, I just decided to take my business elsewhere.  After learning from another "regular" that the manager had been replaced and the waitresses that had quit had returned to work, I decided to go back after being away for about six months.  One waitress in particular told me that she had searched and searched online, trying to find me... she was concerned I might be sick or even dead.  She told me she had always been a good "cyber detective" and that I was the only person she had ever sought for whom she could find absolutely no trace.  Of course, that was unintentional and quickly remedied with an exchange of cell phone numbers, but it does show that a few of us still manage to fly under the radar!

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2022, 01:21:17 PM »
Me too. Never has any of them. I will admit to having created a Twitter account. That was because my first initial (T) and my last name (Witt) were only lacking the 'er" to complete the site name. As it was they would only give me Teewitter. I have NEVER used the account, only created it. That was YEARS ago and I'm assuming being inactive was likely deleted. I'm one of those people who could live on a deserted island for 90 days and one of two things is likely to happen. Either I'd say M-A-Y-B-E 90 days is enough time and it might be nice to interact with someone..., or I'd say I went 90 days..., I could go the rest of my life alone and it wouldn't be an issue. What I wouldn't do is get upset in less than 24 hours because I haven't had a social media interaction.

One of the saddest things I ever saw was at the college I work for. The new library had just opened and there were 200 newly installed computer stations on the lower floor. 90% of the people seemed to be on My Space. So much for a "learning tool." There was one young woman who scurried to a station and had this look on her face that what she was going to see on My Space as she logged in was the bane of her total existence. It seemed such a passing thing to base ones happiness on what others had to say about her in such an indirect way.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2022, 01:47:28 PM »
I also never had any social media accounts. I do not want to be "friended" or "followed" by people I have never met and never will. I want to visit with my friends in person. Nothing can replace time spent in the company of good friends.
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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2022, 04:34:46 AM »
I also never had any social media accounts. I do not want to be "friended" or "followed" by people I have never met and never will. I want to visit with my friends in person. Nothing can replace time spent in the company of good friends.

I certainly can't argue with that!  My online activities are limited to this site, the Jaguar Enthusiast Forum, Classic Lincolns site, and a Britcom Forum.  I have met and gotten to know a number of people from this site over the years, as well as a few friends I've made through Classic Lincolns and the Britcom Forum.  I joined the Jaguar Enthusiast Forums a number of years ago when I had a 2011 XJL Supercharged which was a true "lemon".  It had serious problems from day one, and no matter how many times it went back to the dealership, it was never truly fixed.  When it blew a head gasket for the second time while it was still under factory warranty, I decided to get rid of it once and for all.  It was a beautiful car, but I have no regrets whatsoever about that decision!  There are a number of people on that site that I enjoy but have never met face-to-face, but they encouraged me to stick around even after I sold my Jaguar, so I did.  For about five years prior to that, I was a member of the Rolls-Royce Owners Club of America and the snobbish, unfriendly attitude of that bunch is the main reason I decided to trade my Silver Spur in on the aforementioned Jaguar.  I have wished many, many times that I'd just quit the club and kept the car... it drove like a dream and never gave me any trouble at all.  Nevertheless, I felt it was probably not a good idea to keep such a complicated and uncommon automobile without the support of a forum of more experienced owners.  I never actually met any of those people either, and I had no desire to.  I've looked at Facebook and I'm not impressed.  Have never bothered with Twitter or all the other sites... it just doesn't interest me. 

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2022, 10:49:55 AM »
I'm trying to frequent the site more and while I get views are important, so is participation. The way I see it people should participate in some shape or form. Even if it's a simple quick response.

I don't know if my logic is accurate but if people don't participate the site goes quiet and can die. Views are good, but so are comments and new posts. Again, I don't know if my logic is accurate but it at least makes sense in my mind.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2022, 12:33:23 PM »
Matt, I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer to that, but it makes sense in my mind as well!  Thanks for contributing!

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2022, 07:29:05 PM »
I concur! One word is better than none…we are social animals and thrive in sharing an interest. This Pinto website is a form of social media…but the difference is that we are supporting one another rather than putting down one another. My short experience with Facebook was met with vile put- downs and animosity…life is too short to put up with such nastiness.

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Re: Has the Pinto world stopped rotating?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2022, 12:26:42 PM »
Since I have zero mechanical ability, I can't contribute in that area, but I enjoy reading about what others are doing with their cars. I also depend upon the archives. My mechanic keeps my Pinto running but I sometimes have to search the archives for repair information. My last major Pinto project was in the late fall as the very old A/C compressor had finally died. Except for the evaporator, my mechanic replaced all the parts. I just wish the 134 cooled as well as the old R-12!
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