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getting ready to change the motor
« on: April 25, 2014, 09:33:48 PM »
Ok so alittle information about my pinto it was originally bought in California it is a v6 automatic car had air very high option car two years ago I bought the car from the original owner it was bright to Ohio and the guy had a stroke so the car got parked inside for ten years I brought it home and out fired up on the ten year old gas that was in the tank a year after that I had to pull the motor and put the timing gears in it and also a transmission running great now so I can drive it so begins my search for what engine to put in it I have a 289 bored .40 over forged pistons and I was going to put a t-5 behind it but the other day I was doing some searching and Ford had the the complete coyote motor aluminum crate and comes with everything you need and then I would put the 6 speed behind that just wondering what yalls opinion is on that I hate to make it fuel injected but that is just something you don't see so if y'all have any input on that please chime in I would love to hear from y'all!

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 10:13:01 PM »
I would love to see a well done Coyote !


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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2014, 10:26:58 PM »
Well I was doing some searching Ford racing sells everything you need the cry all the wiring o2 sensors and maf and air filter box for 6800 and that's pushing 420 top the crank with all forged internals so that may be the way to go I'll just have to do allot of fabrication to get it in there because they are wider then the older block from my knowledge so may have to do a reverse cowl so I am able to let it sit up alittle more

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2014, 05:01:37 AM »
If I were to try the Coyote howl, I'd have a junk yard (etc) do a search for a junk/blowed up one.

This way no "real" money tied up while test fitting the beast.

That's what I'm doing with Ugly Yellow. Just had a junk 351w given to me. Wanted to make sure the taller engine would fit with the wall/tunnel mods I've made.

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2014, 09:57:44 AM »
That's a good idea if I do decide to go that route I know there are kits out there to put the 289 right in so maybe a foam block of I could find one because those motors are still pretty high dollar

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2014, 10:20:55 AM »
Gives run on sentences new meaning. Periods make it readable and reduce (our) headaches.

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2014, 12:21:33 PM »
Gives run on sentences new meaning. Periods make it readable and reduce (our) headaches.
      just take a deep breath before you read it.   ;) ;)
 
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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2014, 01:48:58 PM »
That's a good idea if I do decide to go that route I know there are kits out there to put the 289 right in so maybe a foam block of I could find one because those motors are still pretty high dollar

Local 289 freshly built with good parts just went for 1k.
No market for them, unless it's a HIPO.

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2014, 06:24:13 PM »
Sorry didn't realize it was that Big of a deal.   ::) and I know they aren't worth allot but it would be the cheaper and easier route to go.  I'll just have to keep Doing research, and see what all the measurements are. I definitely don't want to cut the car up it's to clean.

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 07:52:28 PM »
That is one W-I-D-E engine.  A 289-302 ends (width wise) about where the coil packs are showing.  Maybe I'm wrong but I think you will have to cut a whole lot.

http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/hrdp_1307_ford_coyote_engine_swap_guide_part_2/photo_03.html

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2014, 08:02:42 PM »
Gives run on sentences new meaning. Periods make it readable and reduce (our) headaches.

What do you mean, he put a period between bored and 40.  ... I have a 289 bored .40 over forged pistons ...   :)

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2014, 08:21:36 PM »
Yeah that is true i guess I never realized how wide they really were. Well if I go with the 289 what should I go with I want a healthy motor,  I am thinking big valve heads I would like to be over 300 horse with it.  My buddy has a new v6 mustang and he talks to much trash I need to atleast beat him haha

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2014, 09:47:48 PM »
A 302 would be much more readily available. A later model would be set up for a roller cam.  Ask around a 351 may fit with little difference.  In my Sunbeam Tiger world the 351 is a No-Go, but in the Pinto it might not matter.  From there how much can you afford to spend?? 

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2014, 10:41:06 PM »
I have an 07 Mustang & a 5.4L GT500 engine for it. Wide is an understatement . My engine guy is selling it off for a Coyote because he wants to try to get me to 1000 HP on E85 & that engine is as wide as the 5.4 is. Nothing short of a custom front subframe will be needed to install it & I have no clue where a radiator is gonna fit unless you stretch the fenders or set the engine back. Did I say this thing is wide??!!
 
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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2014, 01:08:16 PM »
Well I already have a 289 worth the forged pistons is why I was Gonna put that in. And wow I didn't realize it was that big that may be a no go, I did see a pinto with a 460 in it and they had to Move the fire wall back so that may be out of the question. I'll have top keep searching I'm almost positive I saw a pinto with a 5.0 in it at the drag strip

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2014, 06:44:18 PM »
I had one with a 351W in it & I'm putting a 302 in my wagon eventually so I can use it to tow my buggy & a boat. It's an easy swap.
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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2014, 06:26:38 AM »
That's what I have heard is that 289 and 302 are fairly easy to swap. My mind is still set on the coyote though, I may get the measurements of it and widen the sub frame and may have to move the fire wall back if it comes down to it

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2014, 04:49:19 PM »
I would *love* to see a Coyote swap into a Pinto....but keep in mind that those things are even wider than a Cammer or a Shotgun.
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2014, 08:17:08 PM »
Yeah I'm gonna have so get exact measurement and see what I can do because it would be awesome be something different which is what I want

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2014, 11:34:42 AM »
It's not a Coyote, but it gives an idea of the size difference between a mod motor and a 289/302/5.0L Windsor.



Notice also that the cams were moved toward the engine centerline to make things narrower, otherwise it would be even wider.

I guess the forum software automatically scales images over a certain dimension, so right-click > view image to see the original.
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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 12:48:26 PM »
Thanks for that picture out really helps idk still kinda set on it not sure if it can be done but if it can I'll find a way may have to widen the sub frame and make my own inner fenders and possibly move back the fire way but we well see I'll have to start doing some measuring how much wider do you think it is then a 460 ? There is a wagon worth a 460 out at the track and I could prob get some measurements off that and have the guy tell me what all he had to do

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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2014, 09:55:02 PM »
Thanks for that picture out really helps idk still kinda set on it not sure if it can be done but if it can I'll find a way may have to widen the sub frame and make my own inner fenders and possibly move back the fire way but we well see I'll have to start doing some measuring how much wider do you think it is then a 460 ? There is a wagon worth a 460 out at the track and I could prob get some measurements off that and have the guy tell me what all he had to do

According to Ford, a 460 is 26 inches wide, a Coyote is 28 inches wide and a mod motor is 30" wide.  I didn't realize that the Coyote was slightly narrower than the previous engine...
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Re: getting ready to change the motor
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2014, 10:24:00 AM »
I would never have guessed that thanks for the information that is really wide