37 Guests, 0 Users

Author Topic: Need guidance with headliner  (Read 3208 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline popbumper

  • Pinto Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1916
  • FeedBack: +99/-1
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 8
    Badges: (View All)
    Tenth year Anniversary Topic Starter Signature Mobile User Poll Voter Windows User 1000 Posts Fifth year Anniversary
Need guidance with headliner
« on: September 26, 2011, 08:47:07 PM »
Planning on replacing the headliner in my '76 wagon, it has a tear in it, and of course must be completed prior to windshield reinstallation .
Given that, hoping that anyone who has had experience with headliners will lend some advice. I DO have sample material from SMS auto fabrics in Oregon, so I know what I need, but looking for inputs on:
1) SUPPLIERS - if YOU have ordered a headliner before, from who have you ordered and how was the quality? Price?
2) INSTALLATION - if YOU have personally installed a headliner, I would like to hear your personal experience, pros/cons so I can get an idea what I am up against.
The idea here of course is to get the best quality unit at the lowest price, and install MYSELF if at all possible to save money.
Thank you!
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Offline dave1987

  • Pinto Sr. Master
  • ******
  • Posts: 3431
  • FeedBack: +25/-0
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 11
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Tenth year Anniversary Poll Voter Mobile User Apple User Linux User Windows User 1000 Posts Fifth year Anniversary Photographer
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 09:58:43 PM »
Not to sure with the suppliers part....

But when you installed it and have it all hung up, and in place (secured as well), with as many bubbles/folds smoothed out as you can without excess tension, you can take a heat gun or blow drier on the low setting and sweep past the oddly wrinkled spots. The vinyl will shrink a bit with heat applied directly to it and will pull the head liner tight making it look better than new.

That's a tip I got from my local upholster and it worked great on brownie.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Offline Starsky and Hutch

  • Pinto Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 763
  • FeedBack: +2/-3
  • Gender: Male
  • Hi Everybody

  • Total Badges: 6
    Badges: (View All)
    Tenth year Anniversary Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Windows User Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 05:20:40 PM »
Your doin a wagon arent you?
1977 Pinto Accent stripe group Runabout                                                                    interior(Code PN) Color (Code R2)

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 07:20:31 PM »
Hey popbumper:

I just did my '77 CW headliner and yes I can give you some tips.
I will take some photos of it this weekend and post them.  I bought
my headliner from SMS Auto Fabrics and it was high quality and
it was just as good or better than the OEM material.  Also, there
was a good amount of extra material all around so you didn't have
to worry about it not fitting.  Plus, they gave you extra material to
do the two sun visors.  I also did them and will take some photos.
I did the whole thing by myself and didn't have any problems.  I
will describe the whole thing this weekend but don't have the
time right now.  I am quite happy with the way it looks and it does look
professional.  The one thing I can say about the process is that you
have to be patient, take your time, and make sure you use the best
materials.

Talk you later,

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline popbumper

  • Pinto Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1916
  • FeedBack: +99/-1
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 8
    Badges: (View All)
    Tenth year Anniversary Topic Starter Signature Mobile User Poll Voter Windows User 1000 Posts Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 09:24:48 PM »
77pintocw:
 
  I would greatly appreciate any tips/guidelines/photos/etc. I received my headliner from SMS this past Tuesday, and am getting very close to the point of installation (over the next two weeks). Thank you very much for any info you can share.
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Offline D.R.Ball

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 558
  • FeedBack: +36/-2
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Tenth year Anniversary Poll Voter Windows User Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 01:26:43 AM »
Same here on the same year.......

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 10:30:09 AM »
Hey popbumper:

Below are my tips and photos.  Good luck!

77pintocw

Please note that I am not an expert or a professional headliner installer and I provide the following tips that I discovered in my experience when I installed my headliner.  I hope these tips might help you, based upon my own work. Also, this was my first time installing a headliner and found it to be both interesting and rewarding.

1) Before you start doing anything read all of the following tips.
2) Also, if you are not sure about something, stop and donít do anything. Make sure you are confident of the step before you proceed. You donít want to ruin your new headliner.
3) Before removing the old headliner take a lot of pictures of it and how it fits at all the edges, particularly around the windshield, at the back under the plastic cover and along the edges.
4) When you start removing the old headliner be sure to mark the holes on each side where the stays are located since there are multiple holes.
5) Be sure to note where the clothes hooks are located on each side.
6) Be sure to write down the color of each stay and where they are located when you remove them from the old headliner. They are all of different lengths and different colors.
7) Once you have removed the old headliner clean all areas. Make sure you get the old glue and stuff around the edges of the windshield. This should be hospital clean so that the new glue will stick properly.
 8) I would recommend using an air stapler for the new staples. I have attached a picture of the one I used and it worked perfectly. The air stapler will allow you to hold and pull the new headliner tight while stapling it firmly against the side edges. Also, I have a picture of the staples I used and they were the same length as the old ones.  The staples I used were Spotnails 3/8" Crown, 5/32" Length.
9) Now to start, lay the new headliner face down on a clean surface with the white backing up. Place the stays in the correct positions as noted from the old headliner.
10) Note how the old stays are position in the old headliner and how they fit in the new headliner. The new headliner might be a little wide and you might have to cut some of it at the ends of the stays. Wait until you hang it back in the car before you make any cuts. You donít want to cut it too short.
11) With the stays in the new headliner, hang it in the car starting in the middle and work towards the ends.
12) At this point I would play with the new headliner and get a feel about how it will behave when you pull on it both in the middle and on the edges. This will help you understand how it behaves and moves before you start stapling it along the edges.
13) Once you are confident then start in the middle and work towards an end. It doesn't matter which end. I started in the middle and worked toward the windshield first.
14) In the middle section, pull the headliner along the stays toward the edges to make sure it is tight. You might have to cut some of the headliner at each end to make it fit properly. Make sure the new headliner is equal distance on each side and in the middle of the roof before you cut any material. Do not cut the material above the edge where the plastic cover will be or it will show as a hole when you are done. Take your time at this step.
15) Now that the new headliner fits properly on the middle stay move to the next stay on either side and do the same thing and continue on to each stay to make sure the material fits properly before you start stapling.
16) Once all the material around each stay fits properly (i.e. not too long or too short) you can start stapling.
17) Go back to the middle stay and position it vertically and next to the roof.
18) Pull the material at one of the edges so it is tight and the way you want it and then staple it alone the edge. Then go the other side and do the same thing.
19) Move to the nest stay, position it vertically, pull the headliner so it is tight in between the stays from the previous stay and do the stay thing as in #18 and continue toward the front or back of the car.
20) You will get the hang of it as you move toward each end. You can also remove or put more staples on the edges to make it tight. Take your time and make it nice and tight.
21) Once you have reached the front of the car pull the headliner around the opening and see how it is going to fit. You will have to cut it to fit but make sure you donít cut it too short. Take your time and be careful at this point. You can leave it a little long and once it has been glued you can then cut it a little shorter if necessary.
22) Once it has been cut properly spray the edge of the windshield opening and the underside of the headliner with the glue. Attached is a picture of the glue I used and it is superior glue. I got it at JC Whitney and it is better than the 3M glue.
23) Let the glue dry and get tacky on both surfaces. Then pull the headliner tight and press down and fit it around the edges. Check and see if it is tight and looks right.
24) Got back to the middle stay and work back toward the tailgate.
25) Once you get to the tailgate, notice the spikes alone the upper metal plate. Pull the headliner tight and then press it alone the spikes and they will catch the headliner. Be sure to do this only once since the spikes will punch holes in the headliner.
26) At this point replace all the plastic covers.
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 10:37:24 AM »
More photos:
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 10:38:54 AM »
Last set:
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline popbumper

  • Pinto Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1916
  • FeedBack: +99/-1
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 8
    Badges: (View All)
    Tenth year Anniversary Topic Starter Signature Mobile User Poll Voter Windows User 1000 Posts Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 07:21:31 PM »
77pintoCW:
  This is OUTSTANDING information and it is greatly appreciated. That's what this group should be all about, solid exchange of information. Kudos to you, I am happy to use this and move forward. Thank you for taking the time to post!!
Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Offline dga57

  • Chief Moderator / Admin
  • FordPinto.com Moderator
  • Pinto PooBAH
  • ***
  • Posts: 6846
  • FeedBack: +208/-0
  • Gender: Male

  • Total Badges: 8
    Badges: (View All)
    Tenth year Anniversary Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Mobile User Windows User 1000 Posts Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 08:23:48 PM »
Chris,
Be sure and let us know how YOUR headliner project turns out!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Offline JohnW

  • Pinto Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 229
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 1980 Runabout

  • Total Badges: 4
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Fifth year Anniversary Poll Voter
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 06:58:13 PM »
So the Pinto is one of the Fords where you have to remove the windshield to replace the headliner?  I wanted to pull mine out of the way while I mount a roofrack...cou ld I get the sides and back down enough to do this?
-

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 07:27:22 PM »
Hey popbumper:

You are welcome.  I agree with dga57, be sure to show us
your finish product.

Have fun with your project. 

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline 77pintocw

  • Pinto Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 421
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 77pintocw

  • Total Badges: 5
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Poll Voter Tenth year Anniversary Fifth year Anniversary
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 07:36:35 PM »
Hey JohnW:

I think if you were very careful with removing the plastic parts and
the old staples on the sides and the spiked rack on the back you could
remove the old headliner to about the midpoint exposing the roof and you
could then install your luggage rack and then reattach the old headliner.

The only concern I can see is if the old headliner is stiff and not pliable
that when you try and staple it again and pull it back on to the spiked
rack in the back that it might not pull tight and could bag in certain places.

Thanks,

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

Offline JohnW

  • Pinto Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 229
  • FeedBack: +5/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • 1980 Runabout

  • Total Badges: 4
    Badges: (View All)
    Topic Starter Signature Fifth year Anniversary Poll Voter
Re: Need guidance with headliner
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 07:40:52 PM »
Hey JohnW:

I think if you were very careful with removing the plastic parts and
the old staples on the sides and the spiked rack on the back you could
remove the old headliner to about the midpoint exposing the roof and you
could then install your luggage rack and then reattach the old headliner.

The only concern I can see is if the old headliner is stiff and not pliable
that when you try and staple it again and pull it back on to the spiked
rack in the back that it might not pull tight and could bag in certain places.

Thanks,

77pintocw
My headliner has a few tears, so I want to replace it down the road, but I have more important things to buy for the car first.  I need to get access to the front of the roof a few inches back from the windshield.  That wouldn't be doable?  This is in a Runabout, by the way. 
-