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c3 transmission
« on: July 09, 2011, 11:27:35 AM »
I have temporary custody of my brother's 1966 Falcon, it originally had a six but now has a 289 engine with the stock transmission. He seems to think the tranny is a c3, did they put those in Falcons? Thank you.

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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 01:11:50 PM »
Here ya go.  Fred   :)
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 03:23:03 PM »
Thanks Fred, I will check!

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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 09:18:58 PM »
the C3 was introduced in the mid 70's and only used on the Pinto is my understanding, someone correct me if I'm wrong? I would guess a C4 would be the stock transmission for a 289. As I recall the easy way to tell is a C3 has 13 bolts on the pan and a C4 has 11 bolts
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 09:39:44 PM »
if its the stock transmission it should be a (Green Dot C4) behind that 289 in 66.

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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 07:53:49 PM »
the C3 was introduced in the mid 70's and only used on the Pinto is my understanding, someone correct me if I'm wrong? I would guess a C4 would be the stock transmission for a 289. As I recall the easy way to tell is a C3 has 13 bolts on the pan and a C4 has 11 bolts

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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 09:41:38 PM »
wow... I'm surprised they used it in some of thoes bigger vehicles since everybody says it's so weak, thanks norm.
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 01:40:04 AM »
I wouldn't call it WEAK, but it is weaker than the C4 when it comes to heavy duty or high torque/HP applications. It just can't handle the load is all. From what I have seen in my 73's C4 (during the rebuild), and the comparisons in the haynes overhaul manual, the way the C3 is constructed, it would be weaker. The C3 seems to have more separating parts, thus needing more fasteners to keep them together or in place, when compared to the C4 which has more cast solid parts, eliminating the excess fasteners and making things stronger.

If you have to use a fastener to keep something together, it is going to be weaker than something solid. For example, floor pans. The structural integrity of our cars is very reliant on how solid the floors are. If you are going to secure a replacement floor pan with screws, it is going to be significantly weaker than a welded or original good condition floor pan. Imagine being in a T-bone accident in a Pinto with sheet metal screwed in for floor pans vs. original good original flooring. The screwed in metal would most likely pop out/up, allowing more of the car to buckle in towards the center. If the floors were solid and original, the floor would most likely buckle, but for the most part all of the metal would stay intact, keeping more of the car from buckling inwards.

Am I making any sense at all? I think.....


EDIT: Forgot to add. I believe the C3 would be fine on any of the cars ford put it behind while it is being used as it was intended to. Continuous hauling or any type of high performance upgrades done to the car and you would want the C4 or even a C5 which is essentially a C4 with some oil gallery mods done from the factory (it also uses a slightly different valve body but it is backwards compatible with C4 valve bodies). If you planned to haul a trailer behind your Pinto and you told the dealer than when purchased, I am sure they would have recommended an upgrade to, or to choose a car with a C4 transmission if they knew about the C4s advantage in strength and durability.

I suppose a better explanation for the C3 would be that it isn't as DURABLE as a C4 is.
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 07:57:06 AM »
I suppose a better explanation for the C3 would be that it isn't as DURABLE as a C4 is.

I agree, fine if not overworked and maintained properly, fluid and filter changes are good for all and often get neglected.

I have a 2.3L with C3 in the 77 I use to pull my camper with. Dry weight is 560lbs and for the 3,000 miles we (the Pinto and I) drove on the Pinto Stampede I'm willing to think loaded as it was closer to 900/1,000lbs and I had no issues. One of the first things I did when I bought that car was take it to my local Ford dealer for a complete drain of trans fluid and filter change. It had a hitch and I planned on using it  :D
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 12:26:20 PM »
The C3 was modified into the A4LD four-speed by adding an overdrive gear, which the C3 lacked. This transmission was introduced with the 1985 Bronco II and Ranger, again with four- and six-cylinder engines only. It was replaced by the 4R44E and 4R55E in 1995.

This was the first Ford automatic to use an EEC-controlled torque converter lock-up clutch. Electronic shift control for the 3-4 shift was later added, another first, though other gears remained hydraulic.

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19871993 Ford Mustang (when equipped with the 2.3 I4)
19871988 Ford Thunderbird (when equipped with the 2.3 I4)
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 12:13:41 PM »
The C3 was modified into the A4LD four-speed by adding an overdrive gear, which the C3 lacked. This transmission was introduced with the 1985 Bronco II and Ranger, again with four- and six-cylinder engines only. It was replaced by the 4R44E and 4R55E in 1995.

This was the first Ford automatic to use an EEC-controlled torque converter lock-up clutch. Electronic shift control for the 3-4 shift was later added, another first, though other gears remained hydraulic.

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19851990 Ford Bronco II
19871993 Ford Mustang (when equipped with the 2.3 I4)
19871988 Ford Thunderbird (when equipped with the 2.3 I4)
19851994 Ford Ranger
19851995 Ford Aerostar
19901994 Ford Sierra
19911994 Ford Explorer
19911994 Mazda Navajo
19942002 Mazda B-Series
19851989 Merkur Scorpio

I wonder.... would that transmission fit in a Pinto? Has anyone tried?
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Re: c3 transmission
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 12:40:13 PM »
I have one in "Marvin" the station wagon. Had to shorten the drive shaft.

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Re: c3 transmission
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