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Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« on: January 02, 2018, 09:49:29 PM »
As we go about this "Car Hobby Thing" I think it is important to remember just how old a car we are dealing with.

The newest Pinto's are 38 years old.

The oldest Pinto's are 47 years old.


The newest Lima 2.3 (Ranger) is 17 years old.

The oldest Lima 2.3 is 44 years old.

The newest Turbo motor donor car (88 Turbo Coupe) is 30 years old.

The oldest, though not the most desirable the "blow through" Mustang turbo motor is 39 years old.

We often talk about parts as if they are readily available. And while some are, many have become difficult to find. If I equate a 47 year old 1971 Pinto back to when I first was eligible to drive (1973) it would have been comparable to a 1926 Ford. And if we use our good friend Dick as the person of measurement..., why we get close to a time when there were no cars! ;D

Anyway, just something to ponder.



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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2018, 05:30:45 AM »
Time.. Knowledge, Repetition, Renewal...
 We do indeed have old vehicles, But all you must do is Google Ford Pinto OHC UK and look in wonder at the eternal lifespan of the Escort in the Mk1,2 and the overseas markets that won't let the 2.0L EAO engine disappear. Our Sheet metal isn't in repop mode (Yet!) but given time, who knows?
 We'll be the new market for those builders when our passionate restorers and racers keep the fire burning! Another page in the book of time, read many times. ;)

 Pintosopher, Not quite a sage, but well read and pondering a twilight and dawn breaking.. ::)
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 08:28:03 AM »
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And if we use our good friend Dick as the person of measurement..., why we get close to a time when there were no cars!



LMAO  ;D

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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 09:35:43 AM »
My A$$ is older than these cars, It should be braced with a subframe..... ;D
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 04:18:41 PM »
Well, just do what I do .... I say, "Watch who you're calling old!!"
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 04:58:45 PM »
As we go about this "Car Hobby Thing" I think it is important to remember just how old a car we are dealing with.

The newest Pinto's are 38 years old.

The oldest Pinto's are 47 years old.


The newest Lima 2.3 (Ranger) is 17 years old.

The oldest Lima 2.3 is 44 years old.

The newest Turbo motor donor car (88 Turbo Coupe) is 30 years old.

The oldest, though not the most desirable the "blow through" Mustang turbo motor is 39 years old.

We often talk about parts as if they are readily available. And while some are, many have become difficult to find. If I equate a 47 year old 1971 Pinto back to when I first was eligible to drive (1973) it would have been comparable to a 1926 Ford. And if we use our good friend Dick as the person of measurement..., why we get close to a time when there were no cars! ;D

Anyway, just something to ponder.



  NO WAY! 1934 was the year of the 100 mph V8 Ford which was Bonnie and Clyde most used get away car. Clyde wrote a letter to Henry Ford thanking him for such a fast car. Was also the year I first saw day light. Don't use me for a reference point as I lie a lot and a real lot when it comes to racing cars. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the Daytona 500? Well set back, get your feet off the floor, and get ready for one hell of a story.
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 06:42:15 PM »
Did I ever tell you about the time I won Pikes Peak and put the Unsers on the trailer with a Pinto? :P
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 08:33:57 PM »
Well, just do what I do .... I say, "Watch who you're calling old!!"
Hmm... Suspended or properly braced.. Sounds like a renewal for the frame, perhaps a few lifts and even a proper alignment for good action on the curves. Well , a flat rate should apply or should the rate be a rising one based on the age of the equipment? Old horses never go out to pasture, they just work the ranch until they become spare parts ;)
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 07:25:38 AM »
  NO WAY! 1934 was the year of the 100 mph V8 Ford which was Bonnie and Clyde most used get away car. Clyde wrote a letter to Henry Ford thanking him for such a fast car. Was also the year I first saw day light. Don't use me for a reference point as I lie a lot and a real lot when it comes to racing cars. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the Daytona 500? Well set back, get your feet off the floor, and get ready for one hell of a story.
Well, when I entered the world, Dick was a Frisky young guy with racing intentions and possibly a licensed driver ;) But I digress, Dick might be more famous than Teddy Roosevelt. and his mug should be on Mt. Rushmore ;D
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 09:38:14 AM »
  NO WAY! 1934 was the year of the 100 mph V8 Ford which was Bonnie and Clyde most used get away car. Clyde wrote a letter to Henry Ford thanking him for such a fast car. Was also the year I first saw day light. Don't use me for a reference point as I lie a lot and a real lot when it comes to racing cars. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the Daytona 500? Well set back, get your feet off the floor, and get ready for one hell of a story.

Ahhh..., but that proves my point. So you take 1934 and add 16 years for the (presumed) driving age. That makes it 1950. But then you subtract the age of a the oldest Pinto (43 years) and you come to 1907. Not too many cars around then and in step with my "close to a time when there were no cars" statement (sorry Dick).

  The point I was trying to make was if a 16 year old kid today was buying a 43 year old Pinto what model year car would that have been equivalent to when you, (me, others) were 16.  I did that just to put in perspective how old are Pinto's really are. I mean in 1973 when I was 16 a 1926 car (my equivalent year) was considered a REALLY OLD CAR!  Even 1950's cars were few and far between. And knowing Dick is the Elder Statesman here..., well using him as a reference point just punctuated concept.  Sorry Dick, no harm intended.

 Anyone can do the math (that doesn't lie):

Birth year + 16 = __ - 43 = __ (the equivalent car year you would have bought had you purchased a 43 year old car at 16)

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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 09:40:41 AM »
Well, when I entered the world, Dick was a Frisky young guy with racing intentions and possibly a licensed driver ;) But I digress, Dick might be more famous than Teddy Roosevelt. and his mug should be on Mt. Rushmore ;D

Or, maybe Mt. Race-more! :-)

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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 10:28:15 AM »
Sorry, but if I use your formula , I wind up with a 1929 Ford ,Possibly a Tractor with steel wheels! :o
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2018, 10:45:14 AM »
The 1929 Ford was a neat car and very doable being made into a hot rod 10 years or so after it was made. I had several in the 50's including one with a V8 flat head Ford engine. Was a great time for a gearhead.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »
The 1929 Ford was a neat car and very doable being made into a hot rod 10 years or so after it was made. I had several in the 50's including one with a V8 flat head Ford engine. Was a great time for a gearhead.
Yep, I had a Flat head once, Then they put me in School and all my hair started  to fall out ;D
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 10:56:45 AM »
  NO WAY! 1934 was the year of the 100 mph V8 Ford which was Bonnie and Clyde most used get away car. Clyde wrote a letter to Henry Ford thanking him for such a fast car. Was also the year I first saw day light. Don't use me for a reference point as I lie a lot and a real lot when it comes to racing cars. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the Daytona 500? Well set back, get your feet off the floor, and get ready for one hell of a story.
Does this mean it's a "Dickensian Tale"  "Please sir, may I have more Horsepower?"
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 11:08:59 AM »
More like a rats tail and very hard to catch for any improvement. The horse in "horsepower" is very hard to catch some times too!
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 03:06:18 PM »
To start off, all the best for the New Year to everyone!
Now let me see,  according to Wittsendís math; Iím from 63, plus legal driving age here 18 = 81, minus age Donkey (2018-1972=) 46, makes 1935.
Would I, as an 18 year old in 81 be interested in anything  on wheels from 35?
Well, one car comes to mind.
I think Iíve always loved these dinosaurs.
I remember several years ago being passed on the freeway  in normal weekday traffic by one of these going about 80 mph.  Now that makes an impression on a guy.

Oh, and last year for 2.0L EAO in Europe was 1994 (Ford Transit van), so youngest engine is 24 years old.
Engine parts still widely available.

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 06:39:46 PM »
To start off, all the best for the New Year to everyone!
Now let me see,  according to Wittsendís math; Iím from 63, plus legal driving age here 18 = 81, minus age Donkey (2018-1972=) 46, makes 1935.
Would I, as an 18 year old in 81 be interested in anything  on wheels from 35?
Well, one car comes to mind.
I think Iíve always loved these dinosaurs.
I remember several years ago being passed on the freeway  in normal weekday traffic by one of these going about 80 mph.  Now that makes an impression on a guy.

Oh, and last year for 2.0L EAO in Europe was 1994 (Ford Transit van), so youngest engine is 24 years old.
Engine parts still widely available.
Wasn't that Transit motor a 2.0 L 8valve  twin cam?
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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2018, 02:42:24 PM »
Hmm,  nobody noticed that the ďBentleyĒ in the picture is a 2001-2003 repro (sort of) of the classics?

While the dohc twin camshaft turned up in about  1988, different Ford models in different markets didnít all get the new engine that year. This explains the availability of the Pinto 2.0 in some engine bays till 1994. See for yourself what could be found in Transit engine bays at http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=107091 .
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit the DOHC was introduced in the Transit in 1994.
In Brisca F2 racing, it took until 2015 before the Zetec was allowed to be used next to/take over from  the Pinto.

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Re: Adding up to 2018 (a Pinto age retrospective)
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 11:03:46 PM »
lol Too much math.  Anyway, my Pinto is older than me (I'm 45). She is 47 and in better shape than I am! lol
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