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71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« on: August 18, 2005, 02:15:53 PM »
I have a 71 Pinto with a  2.0 4 speed. the engine developed blow by and has recently become undrivable.
almost no compression in #3 cylinder. (not the valves).  the question I ask is, Do I rebuild the 2.0 or put in a 302 automatic. I am an ASE master mechanic so skill level and ability to fabricate is not a consideration. I figure the cost to  properly  rebuild the 2.0  would be about the same as getting a good used 302.  I am aware of the problems with the radiator, bell housing and exhaust and I just don't know if I can cut on this car. it is very clean and solid. (the sad thing is I was going to have it painted next month). I was not unhappy with the performance i was getting with the 2.0 and if I rebuild it I will ensure that i get even more performance out of it, but I have always wanted to have a 302 Pinto.
any thoughts or input would be appreciated
Joe

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2005, 07:15:14 PM »
Hey Joe, Thats the $24 question. On one hand, you have a nice intact pinto and can "restore" it with the 2.0. And on the other hand is something you have allways wanted. For more food for thought, The 302 will require a better rear end ( at some point) bigger tires ( for traction) and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff you will buy ( because, you might as well as long as its apart). The 2.0, you can do a mild build on the motor ( cam, head work, pulleys, header etc) and bolt it right back in and go with no "visible" signs of modifications ( or very little).
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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2005, 08:22:28 PM »
Thanks, I have a rear end from a 77 Granada I am told will bolt in with some shock mount mods. I am putting that in either way. I am leaning towards the 2.0 so far. I love passing people at 95 mph with my little 4 cylinder.
still cant get the thought of the 302 out of my mind. not to mention the the sound of a nice v8 with glass packs dumping out just in front of the rear wheels. I also have a set of 14 inch mustang wheels I will put on if i need more traction.

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2005, 10:13:26 PM »
My Vote is for the 2.0 also.
 V8 performance while still getting 25 MPG.
 From pintony

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2005, 03:36:54 PM »
Well I decided to keep the 2.0 however I pulled the head off and found a bad score in the #3 cylinder.
that in itself is not so bad except I also found the engine has been bored .30 over and I cant find a ring kit for it anywhere local (SW PA). most local parts shops list a re-ring kit but when they check availability it is discontinued.
So I don't think I can bore the block any more and even if i could I cant find rings let alone pistons.
not sure where to go from here.





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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2005, 10:24:00 PM »
Well I decided to keep the 2.0 however I pulled the head off and found a bad score in the #3 cylinder.
that in itself is not so bad except I also found the engine has been bored .30 over and I cant find a ring kit for it anywhere local (SW PA). most local parts shops list a re-ring kit but when they check availability it is discontinued.
So I don't think I can bore the block any more and even if i could I cant find rings let alone pistons.
not sure where to go from here.

Hey there Jg.
Yes i faced the same dilemma when I rebuilt the engine in my pinto 10 years ago but cores were fairly plentiful. The 2.0 I had ran real strong for an automatic 4 banger .However everytime i needed or wanted to get more power from a naturally aspirated combo i was faced with real expensive parts or non existant parts. The last cam upgrade which cost me over $500 for the cam , followers and springs , started to wear real fast. I used all the break in lube and and break in oil additives that crower recommended and still it turned to crap.
 Also when the 2.0's are subject to high horsepower or high rpms they bend cranks. Mine was bent and it wiped out the center main bearing. (all the other bearings had another 50,000 or more left on them. also the vibration was intense.)
 Anyways I cant recommend the v8 conversion because if you want a clean install , its just a pain and costs lots more than I thought.
Hindsight being what it is, I should've gone with a 2.3 ,and maybe a turbo ,but I'm just not fond of turbos. Yes they make lots of power but they also make tons of heat and that worries me. Others may have other info, but Ive heard of cracked manifolds and cooked oil and wasted turbo bearings. Plus the massive complexity of wiring and intercooler piping if you went that route.
 I used to own a 73 wagon and I was planning to plug a late 90's ranger 2.3 in there with the fuel injection etc. with massive reliability but that never happend. My 97 Ford Ranger would have  plenty of power for a lightweight car, but in the truck its pretty much a dog when you have the ac on or when you are hauling anything over 500 lbs. If you used a ranger 2.3 you'd have to get a thunderbird turbo coupe bell, flywheel , and T5 trans because you DONT want the ranger Mazda 5 speed. Its a bulky clunky trans
 You know that I was wondering what kind of 4 Cly engine that the 2003 and up ranger has . I heard that its got 130 horses
and might be patterned after the ztec in the focus. But I'm not sure on that.
 Anyways hope i gave you some info that might help.
have fun!
Robert

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2005, 11:25:29 PM »
Robert
Funny you should mention a 2.3 swap. I have a 92 mustang with a 2.3. I am pulling the engine out tomarrow and junking the car. it runs great and was my daily driver until I found a 90 hatch back I liked better. the eng was strong and i have a 2.3 bell and 4 sp tranny. I would most likely put an intake and carb on it and i would switch it over to a distributer ignition. But then i think if I'm going to transplant an engine why not go for the 302.
But as I look at my pinto with a hole where the engine used to be I cant help but think of my wallet with a hole where my money used to be.
Joe

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2005, 12:36:17 AM »
Hey 71hotrodpinto,
I was reading about your cam problems in your 2.0....
 Did you get a cam with a mall base circle??
 You have to run the longer valves if you have the small base circle cam.
OR run lash caps. ::)
 From Pintony

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2005, 10:17:54 AM »
Hey pintony!
 Yeah i ran the whole setup just as crower recommended . Lash caps, springs, "high performance" followers, and checking the "wipe" with prussian blue on the followers.  I spent HOURS making sure that every single follower had the right wipe pattern.
 The only thing i couldn't do was to run light "break in springs" for the initial fire up ,and then change to the regular springs. So that was i think that was the nail in the coffin. I already had 500 or more in all the parts and gaskets etc. so i was broke and i needed a car to get to work. I took a chance on it being ok. Esslinger also told me that they run the cams on "break in" with the springs that they intend on running, and that they never heard of "break in springs".
  I guess that it always pays to follow the directions to the "TEE".
However i would've kept that lil motor if i could've re-bored to .04 without problems. But the cost of the components was going to be real high. 175 for rings, 400 to re-bore the block and 200 per if i needed to sleeve. Crank work new pistons, etc etc. i priced it out @ over $2000 and that made me go to the 302.
 i still think that i Couldv'e gotten about 150 horse with a 2.3 naturally aspirated with Weber's and ranger roller cam.
 But I'm too far gone into the v8 project,  and i still want a V8 for the RUMBLEBLEBLEBL EBLEBELBEL !! LOL   ;D

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2005, 11:02:56 AM »
I owned a 72 Pinto hatchback with a 1984 Mustang SVO 2.3 turbo, 5-speed, 8" rear end. I loved the car and it was wicked fast. I made the mistake of looking at a 71 with a built 289 small block, C4, 9" rear and I just had to have it. There is no sound like a Ford small block winding up. I sold the 72 and bought the 71 and I've never been happier. Look under "Your Pintos- Joe's 1971 Pinto " to see the car. The 71 is also very fast ( in a straight line of cource) !!! Regards, Joe
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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2005, 11:11:46 AM »
well I looked at the engine in my 92 mustang. the pan is a rear sump, I would end up needing a whole engine to swap parts from to make it work.  I have also read some of the projects stories about putting a 302 into a 72 Pinto.
I don't think I want to cut or hammer my car just yet. My 2.0 is too far gone to rebuild and i cant locate parts to rebuild the stock 2.0 block I have in my possession. I don't think any of the local bone yards around here would even look to see if they have one after they stop laughing when i tell them what i want.
Any thoughts, suggestions or prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Joe

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2005, 11:22:15 AM »
Hello Joe,
 Keep checking ebay!
I see 2.0 parts on there all the time.
Good deals too!!!!
From Pintony

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2005, 12:24:55 PM »
Pintony
I keep seeing thees 2.0 cortina parts from Europe. are they the same engine??

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2005, 01:15:55 PM »
Hey Joe,
 Yes the Cortina is the same 2.0 only the cortina has a rear sump oil pan and pick-up.
From Pintony

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2005, 05:37:39 PM »
Pintony
so a ring kit bearings or gasket set will fit my engine?
Joe

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2005, 08:33:29 PM »
hello Joe,
 The cortina 2.0 was the same as Pinto.
 BUT there was a OHC 1600. in england
Looks just like the 2.0 but has less bore-stroke???
The 2.0 was installed in english sierra until the mid 90's
From Pintony,
 There is a stock set of rings on ebay right now.
 I'll try to keep you posted when I see items pop-up on ebay that you may need.
 Hard to believe that these parts are getting hard to find.
 I guess with the gas prices there will be a run on these parts for people tring to put their small enginae back on the road???
 I'll look around and see what I have.
From Pintony


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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2005, 09:15:40 PM »
Pintony
 I'm watching the auction for the rings and also the 302 out of a 78 MII
thanks
Joe

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Re: 71 pinto 2.0 or 302
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2005, 08:35:03 AM »
A turbo swap is not that hard at all. Minimal mod.s to the car itself. I would think that it is about the same difficulty as a v8. I had all the MII v8 parts at one time and realized that I would have to modify some of them anyway. I still want to do a v8 at some point too, but the turbo is nice (not a direct bolt in, see my posts. I got mine in under the stock hood). I have not had any heat (MII v8 radiator), or turbo issues. My T/C donor car had 170K on it, I did very little to the engine before the swap (t.belt, tune-up, and water + oil pumps), and it runs great.

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