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1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« on: October 21, 2013, 08:55:45 PM »
The Pinto's big rear bumper snagged the inside of the Focus's fender well at the end of the collision and ripped the bumper forwards. How about the Pinto? A slight concave "dent" in the door and where the quarter panel meets the door frame, a bit of mash-in at the quarter panel wheel well, and some paint scuffing. Nothing terrible on my car though! Really tore up that Focus's face though! lmao


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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2013, 10:36:57 PM »
Well, Dave, let face it... they don't build them like they used to!  Glad it wasn't any worse than it was!
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 10:45:43 PM »
Who did the improper lane change? I'm assuming the Focus driver did...
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2013, 11:15:19 PM »
Yeah, Focus driver did it, got a citation and a $90.00 fine!
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 09:40:56 AM »
sorry to see that!! will be a lot of work to fix!!!
 
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 11:59:30 AM »
pfffft! @ current cars. 

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 06:57:17 PM »
So I got some estimates to have the work done and its more than the nada value of the vehicle. I don't see them paying for it, most likely they will total the car and give me a check. Sigh.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 10:10:04 PM »
If I were you, I'd fight that. Regardless what anyone thinks your car is worth, the other guy is at fault, and he/she damaged your car, so I think they should fix it! Try to get at least 3 estimates and hope for the best!

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 11:40:30 PM »
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I'd fight that too.  If it was your fault and your insurance company, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on but since the other party was at fault and you are presumably dealing with THEIR insurance company, it's worth a shot.  Did you look it up under NADA used car pricing, or collector car pricing?  I don't know what your damage estimates were, but there could be enough difference in those two values to tilt the odds in your favor.  If all else fails, accept whatever settlement they will give you and keep the car and repair it yourself.  That may or may not result in a salvage title but that's irrelevant since your plan has always been to keep the car.  Keep us posted and good luck!
 
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 12:36:52 AM »
Thanks for the advice everyone!

Collector Car Market Review places the value of the car at $1875

NADA Guide value - $1318

Collector Car Price Tracker - $2486 for general 1978 Pinto search, adding Sedan drops it to $1780

to name a few.

I got two estimates today and will be getting one more thursday morning (appointment only).

#1 involves replacement of the entire quarter panel sheet metal, and re-forming the door shell since it no longer lines up with the quarter panel (pushed inwards). Also all of the typical paint, body work, and blending, as well has "repairing" the offset of the rear bumper. - $3282.15

#2 involves repairing the existing quarter panel, no replacement of metal panel, door shell re-forming and the typical paint, body work, and blending. Also includes "repairing" the offset of the rear bumper. - $2061.70

I am assuming that #3 will be closer to the same quote as #1, as I have gone to them in the past to get a quote on repairing minor quarter panel rust, and straightening/reshaping the cowl panel. That was around $3200 six years ago.

If they do end up totaling out the car, I would do the work myself, but I am looking at a 78 Mustang II Cobra for sale for $1000 OBO, has a torn down 5.0 EFI and T5 transmission. Would be what I need to do the V8 swap with less parts searching. Would do body work and repaint as well.

While I'm not actually hoping for either repair or a cash payout, I'm hoping things work out for the best in the end. I'm working on trying to purchase a home at the moment as well and this takes secondary priority, it's more an inconvenience than anything. :(
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 09:58:37 AM »
I do not know how you do it, the insurance company is sure to know, I have a friend whose car was totaled by the insurance co., but he bought it back off of them some how fo a lot less than they paid out to him. I really do not know how that works, though. I know the local auction co. has a standing offer for all the unsold cars so maybe that is how i's done?

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 05:26:01 PM »
supply a replacement door yourself that just needs a paint match.... should drop the cost of repair significantly. ....
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 06:05:01 PM »
I would keep the car until you can repair it, or have it repaired.  If you let it go, you will regret it in the long run.

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 04:18:31 AM »
 About half the cost is paint, since the paint on the car has some pearl added and it is near $800 per gallon on average. The other half is labor, and on the spendy quote it is the quarter panel.


I don't plan on letting the car go and I have plans to negotiate with the adjuster to keep the car from being totaled out while still getting it fixed. I will keep you all updated.

Dwayne, I got your pm, I will let you know when I hear what their insurrance plans to do.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 07:25:11 PM »
If actually declared 'totalled' the insurance company is supposed to insure that vehicle does get junked and title is voided. Several TV stories lately after floods where they do not and cars end up back in the hands of the public to bad things happening. $60K trucks sold for $40K that do not run at all and massive electrical problems, that type of thing. When adjusting insurance company traced down the finger pointing began, against the law at least in state where it was done.

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2013, 11:23:35 PM »
I'm sure laws vary from state to state, but my daughter-in-law totaled a Cadillac I owned in January of this year, here in Virginia.  As soon as the insurance adjuster deemed it a "total loss", they offered me two options: a check for the NADA retail book value minus my $100 deductable; or a check for a reduced amount and I could keep the car.  I took the first option and applied the money toward a replacement car.  I do not know if the title would have been branded "salvage" if I'd kept it or not... we never got that far in the discussion. 
 
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2013, 12:09:16 AM »
amc49, I can understand what you are saying, but this is only cosmetic damage, there is zero structural damage done, I've spent a good hour and a half under the car and found nothing bad, no warped floor pans or bent "frame". This is all cosmetic damage. If anything maybe I can get  a "repairable total loss" settlement, repair the car and have it inspected to have it be recorded as repaired.

Just throwing ideas out there, but since it is cosmetic damage, and if the insurance adjuster agrees that there is no structural or mechanical damage, would it be possible to negotiate with the adjuster to keep the vehicle from being written off as a total loss, and settle for an amount less than (no saying HOW MUCH less) what they would offer me to keep the vehicle and still write it off?

If I can keep them from writing it off as a total loss and still make get some sort of settlement to reimburse myself for the repairs I would do myself, I will. I'm not afraid of doing the repair myself, in fact I would actually prefer to.

Writing it off as a total loss and and still keeping the car wouldn't be unacceptable, but I would prefer not to have it written off for records sake.

I will never sell this car, that is all it is. It has been in my family since new, handed down twice and my mother signed it over to me in 2007. She was hesitant to, as she still loves the car (it was her first new car, ever), and told me to "take good care of her baby". I plan to hand the car down to my daughter when she gets old enough to truly appreciate it for what it is and the history that goes with it.

Therefor, a total loss write-off and retention of of the vehicle would not be unacceptable, but I would like to avoid it if possible.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2013, 09:04:21 PM »
Dave,

Like I told you before, fight the insurance company and negotiate the repair. Look on ebay for the parts. I can help with the repair like I told you if you want. If you drop the paint and the auto body shop primes it for you, we can paint it at my place. I guess we should wait to see how mine comes out first, but I think it will be fine!

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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2013, 10:52:18 PM »
But it doesn't need any parts, that's the thing. The high quote wants to replace the quarter panel because it would be "difficult" to repair, not impossible though. I know exactly how to go about it to, nothing a stud welder and slide hammer won't fix with some patience and a little body filler. Everything back of the wheel well damage is just paint transfer and scuffing.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2013, 05:35:08 PM »
The adjuster came by on Tuesday to look at the car, said it was in nice shape too. He took a lot of pictures for reference and went to his car to give the info to the company he works for. After about 40 minutes he came back and told me that he couldn't get a value on the vehicle due to there just not being many left for sale to base a value on. It being a "specialty vehicle/classic". He told me he would get back to me in a couple days after the investigating team for American Family Ins. did some research finding vehicles for sale comparable to mine.

Today I got a call from him stating that the team for American Family Ins. came back with a value for the vehicle being $2293 (I think that's what he said), and that since I want to keep the vehicle, they are deducting the lowest salvage bid of $500 from the value of the vehicle, and they will be mailing me a check for the remaining (roughly) $1800, of which I should expect within the next few days.

Even with the salvage title, I am comfortable with the end result and glad that I will still have the car to hand down to my daughter to keep it in the family. While the value of the vehicle is, now, pretty much nothing, it's the sentimental value of the car that means more to me. My mother isn't happy to hear about the salvage title, but happy to hear we still get to keep the car.

Thanks everyone for your help and input through this, I hope this helps someone else down the road as far was what to expect if their beloved pony is ever involved in a traffic accident.

The money will go towards body filler and paint, the remaining will go into the home we are soon to purchase. If nothing else, I'm at least getting to do body work again! :)
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2013, 05:41:57 PM »
$1,800 will get your car fixed Dave and leave you some money for other things like you said. Shame on the salvage title, but who cares really since you'll have the car forever anyway. Maybe your daughter will give it to hers and so on and it will become a family heirloom. Who knows, but you done good!
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2013, 05:45:34 PM »
Thanks Dianne!

That's what we hope, is that it continues to be passed down through the family. It is the only new car of my mother's generation that is still being driven and cared for. There is just so much history that goes with it, that it can't be let go! :)

Now I can't wait to start on the body work! It's been awhile since I had a body hammer in my hand and done anything with body filler! We'll see if I still have a talent for it or not! lol Been building computers and amplifiers since I last did any body repair with my brother years ago, I hope I didn't loose the eye to do it nice!
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2013, 05:49:17 PM »
Thanks Dianne!

That's what we hope, is that it continues to be passed down through the family. It is the only new car of my mother's generation that is still being driven and cared for. There is just so much history that goes with it, that it can't be let go! :)

Now I can't wait to start on the body work! It's been awhile since I had a body hammer in my hand and done anything with body filler! We'll see if I still have a talent for it or not! lol Been building computers and amplifiers since I last did any body repair with my brother years ago, I hope I didn't loose the eye to do it nice!

Dave, my offer still stands. If you want to come down one Saturday or evening, we can do some of it and I can do it with you at first. Just to get you started is all. Then you can go hog wild on it yourself. My offer stands open and you're more than welcome to spend a few hours doing it together. Seems I'm really good at it :D
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2013, 05:57:54 PM »
I wouldn't mind. Would you mind coming over to my parents garage to do it, though? We've got everything needed to do it there, a nice big air compressor with lots of pneumatic tools, and the welder! >:)

I'm planning to cut out and patch the quarter panels while I'm at it. Doing the cowl repair before repaint as well, but right now just need to get that quarter panel fixed and primered before the rust takes hold there to!
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2013, 06:02:21 PM »
I wouldn't mind. Would you mind coming over to my parents garage to do it, though? We've got everything needed to do it there, a nice big air compressor with lots of pneumatic tools, and the welder! >:)

I'm planning to cut out and patch the quarter panels while I'm at it. Doing the cowl repair before repaint as well, but right now just need to get that quarter panel fixed and primered before the rust takes hold there to!

I've got all that as well. I don't know how I would do with pneumatic tools and all, they are more powerful. I have the air compressor also, but use electric tools. I actually use 2 different vibrating sanders. I have a wicked grinder though. I'd rather use my tools because I know them.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2013, 06:05:09 PM »
Makes sense! I'll let you know when I'm ready to start, we are working on the purchase of a home at the moment, need things to settle down first.

Have you ever used an air file before? I think it's called a straight line sander in technical terms. It's pretty much an 11" long 2.5" wide vibrating sander. Works great for knocking down bondo with 36 grit. I need to show my brother how to use it when we do his 75 Chevy 3/4 ton.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2013, 06:44:34 PM »
Makes sense! I'll let you know when I'm ready to start, we are working on the purchase of a home at the moment, need things to settle down first.

Have you ever used an air file before? I think it's called a straight line sander in technical terms. It's pretty much an 11" long 2.5" wide vibrating sander. Works great for knocking down bondo with 36 grit. I need to show my brother how to use it when we do his 75 Chevy 3/4 ton.

On Bondo (Everlast is better I think), I try and get it as thin as possible and then lay it on light. For sanding I use a vibrating sander with that purple 3M stuff (it seems to work the best). But you can use my tools after watching and some teaching, but I don't know how it will be going to another set of tools for you. You can do all your work here if you don't feel comfortable I guess, but I think with a little showing you, you would be able to do it on your own.
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2013, 07:08:56 PM »
Deffinitely. I am a quick learner and easy to teach skills to. :)
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Re: 1978 Pinto vs. 2005 Focus - Improper lane change
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2013, 07:19:32 PM »
Deffinitely. I am a quick learner and easy to teach skills to. :)

You let me know the day and I'll be able to do it with you. The sooner the better to at least cure the rust! You can bring the console with you then also :D

I really enjoy the bodywork part, not certain how I'll do with the engine yet LOL
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- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
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- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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